CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019 - #2

[Trudie]

see my last post. The cowboy who separated from NR and admits
to have ridden w/ BT for a "couple months" before "movin on".
Also recently his dog went missing up around Long Lake, north
of ranch, he's still living close to Merritt so he didn't move on too
far. And he doesn't sound like he's working since he'd spent
many hours searching for the dog.
Plus he said he was gonna go hiking/searching up in the area
where BT's horse was found. Don't they say perps often go back
to scene of crime. Maybe BT is buried up in that area towards
Long Lake.

Gotcha, we posted at same time.
Absolutely perps often return to the crime scene, Love this follow the news & stay up to date.

 

[enelram]

Maybe one of the "rancher" ie cowboys was in on the plan to ambush Ben out on the trail. Or maybe he was in on the plan to kill BT
and this was his preplanned answer.

 

[enelram]

over and out for the night.

 

[Trudie]

Maybe one of the "rancher" ie cowboys was in on the plan to ambush Ben out on the trail. Or maybe he was in on the plan to kill BT
and this was his preplanned answer.

The thing that perplexes me is the 2pm sighting. It can’t be true. Ben did not leave @2 for a solitary ride, imo.
Now, it seems LE discounts that sighting.
I think when questioned the convo was like this:

LE: when did you last see Ben?
rancher: ahh, 2pm. Yes around 2, Saturday.
LE: okay, good......
Rancher: I think he was going to look for strays on Swakum.
....and like the Energizer Bunny, I suspect the person kept on going, ultimately messing up.

 

[MistyWaters]

We have not heard that he has spoken out in any way, even to express regret. Also along with @Trudie I wondered why he didn't offer a reward or any offer to cooperate with the investigation. Not sure how things like that work in Canada, but usually here in US, a company will offer a reward to help find a missing employee (who went missing on their watch) or at least make a statement of total cooperation in any investigation. This he may have done, and it has been kept quiet/private. IMO

Rewards for information aren’t very common at all during an active investigation so that didn’t really surprise me. It’s more typical if a situation reaches a stage where all leads are becoming exhausted. I can’t think of an example in the past where an employer has offered a reward.

 

[MistyWaters]

2 months now. Post from admin of page gives hope that the investigators will solve this. Hopefully soon.

MISSING: BEN TYNER

"Sadly we are coming into the two month marker that Ben has been missing. Please remember that while a missing person is still missing it is an open case. As the general public we are not privy to every aspect of the investigation, not even the family of a missing person is given all that information because the case is still open and active. Just because we don’t see press releases, interviews or boots on the ground doesn’t mean that the police aren’t working on Bens case."

What a considerate posting, I greatly admire the way Ben’s family is dealing with the unknown.

 

[Trudie]

Rewards for information aren’t very common at all during an active investigation so that didn’t really surprise me. It’s more typical if a situation reaches a stage where all leads are becoming exhausted. I can’t think of an example in the past where an employer has offered a reward.

You guys have Crime Stoppers, maybe they kinda rule the reward sector?

 

[Trudie]

What a considerate posting, I greatly admire the way Ben’s family is dealing with the unknown.

I hope they’re doing okay. We all know how hard it was for them to leave Merritt without Ben.

 

[MistyWaters]

You guys have Crime Stoppers, maybe they kinda rule the reward sector?

Yes but the amount of the reward is quite small and as tipsters can remain anonymous if they choose, it’s often not helpful in homicide cases when witnesses are required for the case to be tried.

 

[Trudie]

Yes but the amount of the reward is quite small and as tipsters can remain anonymous if they choose, it’s often not helpful in criminal cases when witnesses are required for the case goes to trial.

Same here. Many rewards never collected.

 

[MistyWaters]

The thing that perplexes me is the 2pm sighting. It can’t be true. Ben did not leave @2 for a solitary ride, imo.
Now, it seems LE discounts that sighting.
I think when questioned the convo was like this:

LE: when did you last see Ben?
rancher: ahh, 2pm. Yes around 2, Saturday.
LE: okay, good......
Rancher: I think he was going to look for strays on Swakum.
....and like the Energizer Bunny, I suspect the person kept on going, ultimately messing up.

I notice most of the media reports that mention Sat, 2pm do not state what he was doing during the time he was seen. And most other reports which state he was last seen riding out Sat don’t indicate a time.

So I think maybe we can’t assume Ben was last seen Sat @ 2pm riding out.

 

[zecats]

Yes but the amount of the reward is quite small and as tipsters can remain anonymous if they choose, it’s often not helpful in homicide cases when witnesses are required for the case to be tried.

Rewards are rarely helpful. Often times they are for safe location of victim, which could be impossible if deceased. I think the Madeleine McCann reward was over £1.000.000, after JK Rowling got involved. And nothing helped.

 

[Trudie]

I notice most of the media reports that mention Sat, 2pm do not state what he was doing during the time he was seen. And most other reports which state he was last seen riding out Sat don’t indicate a time.

So I think maybe we can’t assume Ben was last seen Sat @ 2pm riding out.

Reports I’ve read have been all over the place, which is expected. Plus, many get edited or disappear completely. On a couple other threads we have to screenshot articles quickly, once they come out, in case we need to reference them.

RCMP say case of missing B.C. cowboy 'may involve criminality'

Tyner, who is 32, was the manager of the Nicola Ranch, about 300 kilometres northeast of Vancouver, and was last seen on Jan. 26 as he rode out on horseback, possibly to search for cattle in the surrounding hills.

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IMO, the above means he was last seen on his horse (supposedly) & RCMP previously said last sighting was @2.
What we’ve never heard is where the supposed sighting occurred.

 

[MistyWaters]

Reports I’ve read have been all over the place, which is expected. Plus, many get edited or disappear completely. On a couple other threads we have to screenshot articles quickly, once they come out, in case we need to reference them.

That’s right, and the “last seen” info the media is referring to isnt attributed to anyone so it’s hard to know if the reports are official or its what somebody heard second or third hand, or even if the original source realized they remembered a prior day and early info has since been retracted.

ETA: I don’t know the point of anyone saying they saw Ben riding out, if it was they who caused him harm and the timing was such that it was a last sighting. Because if he wasn’t found with an accidental injury in the area of his horse that would point to that person as an immediate suspect.

 

[zecats]

That’s right, and the “last seen” info the media is referring to isnt attributed to anyone so it’s hard to know if the reports are official or its what somebody heard second or third hand, or even if the original source realized they remembered a prior day and early info has since been retracted.

ETA: I don’t know the point of anyone saying they saw Ben riding out, if it was they who caused him harm and the timing was such that it was a last sighting. Because if he wasn’t found with an accidental injury in the area of his horse that would point to that person as an immediate suspect.

Who knows how far ahead a potential a murderer can think, in his/her mind. Most of them believe they are perfect and will not be caught...too clever in their own mind.

I lean toward suspecting a person who would mislead in time and place of last sighting, just as you mentioned. Probably to give a self alibi, for instance.

But, I'm thinking that whomever possibly said this and maybe also killed Ben knew Ben would not be found and accident would always be the presumption. And saying Ben was seen Saturday riding out, doesn't mean that Ben went missing that day, that moment. Something that could be claimed by whoever did say it.

Maybe the plan was that the horse would not be found either (though my suspicions are that Gunny was meant to be found - only reason to saddle her up before transporting her). Translation - that accident would always be the presumed outcome and searches would continue until folks gave up. Foul play would not come into play. JMO. Best laid plans..etc.

 

[Trudie]

That’s right, and the “last seen” info the media is referring to isnt attributed to anyone so it’s hard to know if the reports are official or its what somebody heard second or third hand, or even if the original source realized they remembered a prior day and early info has since been retracted.

ETA: I don’t know the point of anyone saying they saw Ben riding out, if it was they who caused him harm and the timing was such that it was a last sighting. Because if he wasn’t found with an accidental injury in the area of his horse that would point to that person as an immediate suspect.

I think is the problem, during LE interview, someone lied about the 2pm sighting. A different officer interviewing another rancher learns of a truck/trailer sighting. Then, after several weeks of investigating, things are discovered that provided motive for the person providing the 2pm sighting to kill Ben.
Imo, there’s very few people to put on a suspect list.
It’s just so heartbreaking such a wonderful man only had 14 years of adulthood.
Moo

 

[Trudie]

Who knows how far ahead a potential a murderer can think, in his/her mind. Most of them believe they are perfect and will not be caught...too clever in their own mind.

I lean toward suspecting a person who would mislead in time and place of last sighting, just as you mentioned. Probably to give a self alibi, for instance.

But, I'm thinking that whomever possibly said this and maybe also killed Ben knew Ben would not be found and accident would always be the presumption. And saying Ben was seen Saturday riding out, doesn't mean that Ben went missing that day, that moment. Something that could be claimed by whoever did say it.

Maybe the plan was that the horse would not be found either (though my suspicions are that Gunny was meant to be found - only reason to saddle her up before transporting her). Translation - that accident would always be the presumed outcome and searches would continue until folks gave up. Foul play would not come into play. JMO. Best laid plans..etc.

For sure I think someone needed a self alibi. His/their attempt likely didn’t work out the way he/they hoped.
We all know how police return, conducting interview after interview. Eventually, the guilty slip up.
I think Ben is probably very close to wherever he met his demise & the perp planned to move his body after searches were completed & the weather improved.

 

[MistyWaters]

Who knows how far ahead a potential a murderer can think, in his/her mind. Most of them believe they are perfect and will not be caught...too clever in their own mind.

I lean toward suspecting a person who would mislead in time and place of last sighting, just as you mentioned. Probably to give a self alibi, for instance.

But, I'm thinking that whomever possibly said this and maybe also killed Ben knew Ben would not be found and accident would always be the presumption. And saying Ben was seen Saturday riding out, doesn't mean that Ben went missing that day, that moment. Something that could be claimed by whoever did say it.

Maybe the plan was that the horse would not be found either (though my suspicions are that Gunny was meant to be found - only reason to saddle her up before transporting her). Translation - that accident would always be the presumed outcome and searches would continue until folks gave up. Foul play would not come into play. JMO. Best laid plans..etc.

Yes, very true. I’d also be interested in knowing if someone is actually on record saying they observed Ben riding out. Or did a reporter get the story mixed up with the reason he wasn’t reported missing was because it was thought he might be searching for strays. I’m certain the majority of the reporters writing news articles on this story were sitting at a desk a hundred or more kilometres (aka miles) away. A lot of copying other reports is happening as is typical and earliest reports are usually the most inaccurate IMO.

 

[Satchie]

RCMP say case of missing B.C. cowboy 'may involve criminality'

Tyner, who is 32, was the manager of the Nicola Ranch, about 300 kilometres northeast of Vancouver, and was last seen on Jan. 26 as he rode out on horseback, possibly to search for cattle in the surrounding hills.

*******
IMO, the above means he was last seen on his horse (supposedly) & RCMP previously said last sighting was @2.
What we’ve never heard is where the supposed sighting occurred.

That's only CTV News tho. I don't think they did any original coverage, their closest affiliate is in Vancouver.

As far as I can tell, there's only two original sources for all the MSM, that were actually in Merritt: the Merritt Herald and a Global TV news team from Kamloops .

Everybody else picked up the story from these two sources, and police press releases. They're rewritten to fit the space available and, IMO, sometimes get a bit garbled, as the writer is doing a rush job.

 

[witch1]

OK, IMO....
If ben did not ride off the ranch, (not likely he did) so that would mean that the person/s behind this, most likely knew ben, in order to know what horse was his, what tack was his as well as where is all was kept, so at least one of them, knowing their way around the ranch.

Not sure how the horses are kept if the are in pasture or stalls. Lets say they are out in pasture... and say it was dark out, think be hard to find and catch someones horse and know its the right horse.. and if day light, they would have been taking a chance of being seen on the ranch, would they not?

Then there is the idea of Ben coming off his horse. I know first hand how a horses bond with there partner, as well as i know for a fact, cowboys that do roping come off their hoses daily as it is part of roping. Most ranch horses, are trained too stop and stand right where they STOP and stand the second their cowboy is off. To my knowledge horse are animals who are known to ALWAYS know their way home, they NEVER forget their steps.
Once I even tested my horse, was out riding and bush whacking in the forest, I decided I would turn him around and not direct him at all. Just to see where he took me, low and behold. He took me all the way home. He knew every last turn we had taken.!
Gunny would have gone home, had she knew where the h*ll she was, all she knew how she got there and that is all.

Anytime my horse has stepped on a rein it has broke off, and (90%) of the time brakes at the bit, where the smallest and weakest leather is, where is tied to the bit. Im not sure where Gunnys rein was broke at.

As far as who ever stated Gunny was running with the wild horse. I have to say that is unlikely. We see wild horse out riding all the time as well as have spent hours watching them in the wild. There is no way a Stud nor would the oldest mare in the heard just let a strange or domestic horse near their heard. Not in just two days. Heck even farm horses are the same way, I never used to like it when we would get a new horse in our heard..they can get pretty mean.


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