CANADA Canada - Ben Tyner, 32, cowboy, horse returned w/o him, Merritt, British Columbia, 26 Jan 2019 - #2

[rb63]

Glad Mother Nature is easing up. Also good news that people will be out & about. IMO, Ben’s body was disposed of in such manner he won’t be found.

is there a reason you think this?

 

[zecats]

Cameron Collin's is a horribly e story I had not heard of before today. Absolutely shocking how he was left drunk by himself in the darkness, and then his disappearance not reported until after the wedding. How does that happen?

I can't make sense of Gunny being found, wandering alone with a broken rein, far from the ranch either. None of what we know about Ben's disappearance makes any sense to me, because it is the opposite of what we are told he always did. It's like aliens took him or he was put into witness protection. How do people just seemingly disappear off the face of the earth and even all the searching by locals, who know every tree, can't find them?

If you think about fact that LE is attributing his disappearance to foul play (criminality involved) these are some of the clues that probably led them to believe this. The horse was abandoned far from the ranch, Ben didn't take his phone, nor did he tell anyone where or when he was going out, The horse appeared lost and unable to find her way home...and there is/was no trace of Ben...no tracks, no articles of clothing, no signals for help. I agree that whoever committed this crime most likely disposed of Ben somewhere away from where Gunny was found and in a remote enough spot that it will be difficult to find him.

 

[MistyWaters]

If you think about fact that LE is attributing his disappearance to foul play (criminality involved) these are some of the clues that probably led them to believe this. The horse was abandoned far from the ranch, Ben didn't take his phone, nor did he tell anyone where or when he was going out, The horse appeared lost and unable to find her way home...and there is/was no trace of Ben...no tracks, no articles of clothing, no signals for help. I agree that whoever committed this crime most likely disposed of Ben somewhere away from where Gunny was found and in a remote enough spot that it will be difficult to find him.

Something I hadn’t noticed the comment I’ve bolded below. It might be nothing or something. But I’m certain the RCMP have already spoken to everyone living at NR or working there that particular weekend so police may have reason to believe his weekend activities took him elsewhere as well.

“....(Sgt) Shoihet says early on investigators requested assistance from major crime detectives, but until this week police had said there was no indication of foul play.

"Now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr. Tyner's disappearance may involve criminality," Shoihet said Tuesday.

Shoihet would not reveal details but she said the latest announcement "reinvigorates" the investigation.

Officers are asking people who may have information but haven't spoken to police to come forward...”
RCMP say case of missing B.C. cowboy 'may involve criminality'

 

[zecats]

Something I hadn’t noticed the comment I’ve bolded below. It might be nothing or something. But I’m certain the RCMP have already spoken to everyone living at NR or working there that particular weekend so police may have reason to believe his weekend activities took him elsewhere as well.

“....(Sgt) Shoihet says early on investigators requested assistance from major crime detectives, but until this week police had said there was no indication of foul play.

"Now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr. Tyner's disappearance may involve criminality," Shoihet said Tuesday.

Shoihet would not reveal details but she said the latest announcement "reinvigorates" the investigation.

Officers are asking people who may have information but haven't spoken to police to come forward...”
RCMP say case of missing B.C. cowboy 'may involve criminality'

Here on this thread some also pondered on Ben maybe going into town Fri or Sat evening, especially when that comment came out that his whereabouts Sat night were known. Possible his disappearance has nothing to do with anyone at the ranch. That said, I doubt if someone there were guilty and LE spoke to them, that they would have been truthful. JMO

 

[foxbluff]

Something I hadn’t noticed the comment I’ve bolded below. It might be nothing or something. But I’m certain the RCMP have already spoken to everyone living at NR or working there that particular weekend so police may have reason to believe his weekend activities took him elsewhere as well.

“....(Sgt) Shoihet says early on investigators requested assistance from major crime detectives, but until this week police had said there was no indication of foul play.

"Now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr. Tyner's disappearance may involve criminality," Shoihet said Tuesday.

Shoihet would not reveal details but she said the latest announcement "reinvigorates" the investigation.

Officers are asking people who may have information but haven't spoken to police to come forward...”
RCMP say case of missing B.C. cowboy 'may involve criminality'

I read your post slowly anticipating reading a comment that I might have overlooked before or might now read differently.

I didn't get as far as the comment you bolded before being startled to read the following in an entirely different light. Today the ubm part seemed to imply that BT was involved in criminality...drug smuggling being the first thing that came to mind! But that simply CAN'T be right because it in no way fits my impression of this strong/gentle cowboy who has won so many hearts here.

<snip>"Now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr. Tyner's disappearance may involve criminality," Shoihet said Tuesday.

Shoihet would not reveal details but she said the latest announcement "reinvigorates" the investigation.<snip>

 

[zecats]

I read your post slowly anticipating reading a comment that I might have overlooked before or might now read differently.

I didn't get as far as the comment you bolded before being startled to read the following in an entirely different light. Today the ubm part seemed to imply that BT was involved in criminality...drug smuggling being the first thing that came to mind! But that simply CAN'T be right because it in no way fits my impression of this strong/gentle cowboy who has won so many hearts here.

<snip>"Now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr. Tyner's disappearance may involve criminality," Shoihet said Tuesday.

Shoihet would not reveal details but she said the latest announcement "reinvigorates" the investigation.<snip>

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but there is no way that Ben was involved in drug smuggling or any other criminal activity of his own actions. I believe the quote from LE means to say that criminality was directed at Ben. Shoihet has used the words foul play in her statement, as to say it was not considered earlier, but is now. This quote and link is back a ways on this thread.

 

[MistyWaters]

I read your post slowly anticipating reading a comment that I might have overlooked before or might now read differently.

I didn't get as far as the comment you bolded before being startled to read the following in an entirely different light. Today the ubm part seemed to imply that BT was involved in criminality...drug smuggling being the first thing that came to mind! But that simply CAN'T be right because it in no way fits my impression of this strong/gentle cowboy who has won so many hearts here.

<snip>"Now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr. Tyner's disappearance may involve criminality," Shoihet said Tuesday.

Shoihet would not reveal details but she said the latest announcement "reinvigorates" the investigation.<snip>

The official presser, “now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr Tyners disappearance may involve criminality”.....which “reinvigorates the investigation” is an interesting choice of words.

From the very onset when nobody came forward admitting to driving the truck and trailer let alone reporting that Ben was nowhere to be found when the time came to pick him up, RCMP had to have been suspicious.

The latest announcement could also refer to a scenario where one or more suspects were directly engaged in some type of criminality (ie robbery, arson, illegal drugs, ? etc) which Ben stumbled upon, then that led to his “disappearance” (ie got dropped off in the middle of nowhere if not murdered).

I wonder if the general location where the horse was located has offered LE any additional evidence.

 

[zecats]

The official presser, “now having had the opportunity to review all the pieces, we believe that the circumstances surrounding Mr Tyners disappearance may involve criminality”.....which “reinvigorates the investigation” is an interesting choice of words.

From the very onset when nobody came forward admitting to driving the truck and trailer let alone reporting that Ben was nowhere to be found when the time came to pick him up, RCMP had to have been suspicious.

The latest announcement could also refer to a scenario where one or more suspects were directly engaged in some type of criminality (ie robbery, arson, illegal drugs, ? etc) which Ben stumbled upon, then that led to his “disappearance” (ie got dropped off in the middle of nowhere if not murdered).

I wonder if the general location where the horse was located has offered LE any additional evidence.

To me, when LE used the word “targeted “ some spontaneous killing was off the table. But to your point, Ben may have discovered something nefarious earlier during his tenure there at NR or in the town and therefore became a target.

 

[MistyWaters]

To me, when LE used the word “targeted “ some spontaneous killing was off the table. But to your point, Ben may have discovered something nefarious earlier during his tenure there at NR or in the town and therefore became a target.

Yes, targeted typically refers to one who is the intended victim. But I do notice LE only indicated Ben “could have” been targeted, not definitely. I think police don’t have all the answers yet.

I must admit though I do wonder how it came to be that police discovered the alleged identity of the arsonist involved in the church fires. IIRC somewhere it was mentioned that a tip was received that gave LE authority to obtain a search warrant which led to the perps arrest. Although the man has not been convicted so he is considered innocent and maybe others who are unknown were involved as well but *hypothetically only* reporting arson is an example of circumstances involving criminality which in turn could’ve led to Ben’s disappearance.

ETA: I also wonder if something occurred involving the theft of Gunny and she was moved to a location but broke away, which was the reason she was found on the logging road. If she had not been found, Ben’s disappearance would’ve been even more mysterious because the search for both him and his horse would’ve reached outward in all directions. Horse theft would involve criminal circumstances as well. As it was, the riderless horse aroused suspicion right away.

JMO

 

[superbee]

Earlier this week we had to make a rushed trip to Kelowna and took the Coq Highway from Kamloops to Merritt, then turned east on the Coq Connector from Merritt to Kelowna.

As we approached the Merritt area I had a look around and it is a lovely place. Down on the left was a big grassy valley with some buildings you see as you come down the hill and it is a very pretty sight. I wondered if this could be the Nicola Ranch. On the right side was the same valley, wide and grassy, and treeless up the side hills some, then evergreen trees the rest of the way up the high hills. Same scenario on the left side-grassy valley bottom and partway up the hillside. The big Coq highway cuts a swath across this valley north to south.

Maybe the reason the authorities are asking for dash cam videos is the Coq highway is very busy 24/7 as it connects the BC lower mainland to the interior. It is a major trucking route. If what I suspect is true, looking south the ranch is on the left, and the mountain where Gunny was found is on the right side. A trailer hauling Gunny would probably have to be on the Coq-even for a short time. Hopefully, someone caught that happening on their dash cam and has shown it to the authorities.

Approaching Merritt, and east to Kelowna, there is plenty of evidence of recent logging, so there certainly could have been logging activity going on all around that area in January.

The whole area we saw north of Merritt is really nice with that big pretty valley, and it is just heartbreaking it is the site of such a terrible tragedy. Where are you Ben?

 

[Trudie]

Thanks @superbee I think you are spot on about the request for dash cam.

 

[zecats]

Earlier this week we had to make a rushed trip to Kelowna and took the Coq Highway from Kamloops to Merritt, then turned east on the Coq Connector from Merritt to Kelowna.

As we approached the Merritt area I had a look around and it is a lovely place. Down on the left was a big grassy valley with some buildings you see as you come down the hill and it is a very pretty sight. I wondered if this could be the Nicola Ranch. On the right side was the same valley, wide and grassy, and treeless up the side hills some, then evergreen trees the rest of the way up the high hills. Same scenario on the left side-grassy valley bottom and partway up the hillside. The big Coq highway cuts a swath across this valley north to south.

Maybe the reason the authorities are asking for dash cam videos is the Coq highway is very busy 24/7 as it connects the BC lower mainland to the interior. It is a major trucking route. If what I suspect is true, looking south the ranch is on the left, and the mountain where Gunny was found is on the right side. A trailer hauling Gunny would probably have to be on the Coq-even for a short time. Hopefully, someone caught that happening on their dash cam and has shown it to the authorities.

Approaching Merritt, and east to Kelowna, there is plenty of evidence of recent logging, so there certainly could have been logging activity going on all around that area in January.

The whole area we saw north of Merritt is really nice with that big pretty valley, and it is just heartbreaking it is the site of such a terrible tragedy. Where are you Ben?

Lovely post. Always nice to have visuals. And sentiment. Thanks.
Agree about the request for dash cam video. I sure hope there's a break soon in this case. It keeps me up at night.

 

[Tripod]

Lovely post. Always nice to have visuals. And sentiment. Thanks.
Agree about the request for dash cam video. I sure hope there's a break soon in this case. It keeps me up at night.

It sounds like a beautiful area. All cases are sad, but I feel a different sort of sadness, for Ben and his family. It's a deeper, heavier gloom. If I feel this way, I can't imagine how his loved ones are feeling. Ben's case affects me in much the same way as Mike Chambers case ( Papaw) does. Praying for a break soon, too!

 

[Dog_River]

I find it interesting that there is a Tyner Lake and Tyner Creek west of Highway 97c and Northwest of Merrit. Does not mean a thing to the case but interesting.

Dog_River

 

[Dog_River]

Also the adjoining map to the east of where the story all started

 

[rb63]

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I find it interesting that there is a Tyner Lake and Tyner Creek west of Highway 97c and Northwest of Merrit. Does not mean a thing to the case but interesting.

Dog_River

In the map what is IR 1 stand for and boarder around it? Is that area where search was?

 

[Dog_River]

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In the map what is IR 1 stand for and boarder around it? Is that area where search was?

I was getting a haircut in Kamloops the other day and saw this map posted in the hallway going to the men’s room and I took a few photos of it.

I am not certain what IR mean but will guess “Indian reserve”. I could be completely wrong.

Dog_River

 

[rb63]

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I was getting a haircut in Kamloops the other day and saw this map posted in the hallway going to the men’s room and I took a few photos of it.

I am not certain what IR mean but will guess “Indian reserve”. I could be completely wrong.

Dog_River

that makes sense, thanks

 

[Trudie]

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I find it interesting that there is a Tyner Lake and Tyner Creek west of Highway 97c and Northwest of Merrit. Does not mean a thing to the case but interesting.

Dog_River

Tyner is a popular name in Merritt/Vancouver area.
I wondered if Ben had distant family in Ca?

 

[Trudie]

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I find it interesting that there is a Tyner Lake and Tyner Creek west of Highway 97c and Northwest of Merrit. Does not mean a thing to the case but interesting.

Dog_River

@Dog_River
Do you think RCMP had no choice but mention criminality?
Most of us follow the official Missing Ben Tyner FB & read the posts from his family & close friends. At least two very close friends posted that Ben was murdered, one in February & another in early March. Maybe LE felt they had no choice in the matter.
I don’t believe Ben’s friends would be so blatant had they not been given facts from the Tyner family.
Moo