CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[FPoulet]

Typos don’t concern me. These affidavits are massively long. It happens.

It is entirely possible that the TPS isn’t saying anything about the SUVs next door because they are in fact relevant. We don’t know. The police don’t have to be truthful to the public if they don’t want to tip off the potential accused.

@Lexiintoronto, you are so thorough with details. If each of those cell phones were activated Nov 15/17 that might be a real clue. My guess (only a guess) is that they simply mean the phones were in use (aka “active”) during the period in question. MOO.

 

[FPoulet]

Does anyone know if Adam Paulin gave a police statement? IIRC he didn’t.

Is Andrew Liss still travelling the world as the Pampered Nomad? Didn’t this start after the murders?

These two had potential to gain here too and raise flags for me. MOO.

 

[fadedglitter]

The police have not named everyone they interviewed. In 2021 they said they had done about 250 witness interviews; we know a few people were interviewed more than once.

The ITOs only contain information that is relevant to the order(s) being sought.

 

[ldlager]

No, really? I'm shocked, I would never had guessed. (Irony).

Still waiting for LE to ask the congregants at the synagogue up the street from the Sherman’s if anyone saw the Walking Man or anything suspicious on the night of the murders.

 

[fadedglitter]

Still waiting for LE to ask the congregants at the synagogue up the street from the Sherman’s if anyone saw the Walking Man or anything suspicious on the night of the murders.

The fact that they didn’t ask those people is likely a clue to the time they have the walking man on camera and the route he took. If their event was over by the time the walking man appeared on the street, they weren’t likely to have seen him.

 

[ldlager]

The fact that they didn’t ask those people is likely a clue to the time they have the walking man on camera and the route he took. If their event was over by the time the walking man appeared on the street, they weren’t likely to have seen him.

That isn’t accurate IIRC based on Donovan’s reporting. IN addition, what about possibly seeing the WM arrive in the area earlier in the evening? Or other suspicious activities that night? Witnesses sometimes recall things that may not seem important at the time when they are questioned.
Oh well, it’s been almost 8 years now, what’s the use? I’m sure LE has other priorities.

 

[ldlager]

That isn’t accurate IIRC based on Donovan’s reporting. IN addition, what about possibly seeing the WM arrive in the area earlier in the evening? Or other suspicious activities that night? Witnesses sometimes recall things that may not seem important at the time when they are questioned.
Oh well, it’s been almost 8 years now, what’s the use? I’m sure LE has other priorities.

Just to clarify this point:
From Toronto Star June 16/22:
“… The Star has gone to court repeatedly to force out documents about the investigation, and they show other errors as well. Police, for example, said they conducted an “extensive canvass” of the neighbourhood to see if anyone had noticed anything suspicious at the time of the murders. But they missed a nearby synagogue where a choir was practising, and did not interview any of the participants. What else might they have missed?…”

BTW, KD also reported on Feb 20/22 that LE never asked the Synagogue for any video of the street or its property it had on the night of the murders.

 

[WINDSOR]

If the TPS has a pretty good idea what happened and who did it, they would not be interviewing any more witnesses. If they know "the butler did it with the candlestick", why question the choir.

The TPS is never going to say if they know something specific about the crime before charges are laid. Anything they say publicly, can and will be used against them by the defense.

But this in itself does not justify the TPS's silence on this case. I do believe they could at least say something like this.

'This is an ongoing investigation, which has lead to some positive results. When the investigation is completed, the TPS hopes to lay charges which will lead to convictions in this matter.

Until that time, to both protect the public, the innocent and the rights of the potential suspects, the TPS will be limited in what they will release publicly.

The TPS reminds that the $35 million dollar reward is still outstanding, and it continues to ask for the public's active support and patience as this case travels its logical course.'

A statement such as this would restore a level of confidence in the TPS, get the focus off errors that the TPS may had made, and put the re-energize public awareness.

MOO

 

[Cedars]

That isn’t accurate IIRC based on Donovan’s reporting. IN addition, what about possibly seeing the WM arrive in the area earlier in the evening? Or other suspicious activities that night? Witnesses sometimes recall things that may not seem important at the time when they are questioned.
Oh well, it’s been almost 8 years now, what’s the use? I’m sure LE has other priorities.

So, these witnesses refuse to contact LE with their information, they won't tell until police come and ask them directly and and say 'pretty please?'.

 

[fadedglitter]

So, these witnesses refuse to contact LE with their information, they won't tell until police come and ask them directly and and say 'pretty please?'.

We have no idea whether any of those people contacted police, nor so we know what they told police. But I suspect that if anyone had, their evidence would be in the ITOs and form part of the timeline tracing the NW’s and Shermans’ movements. There’s no obvious section in that timeline for witness statements. It’s a chronology of video stills.

This leads me to believe nobody spoke to police about the night walker.

 

[FPoulet]

So, these witnesses refuse to contact LE with their information, they won't tell until police come and ask them directly and and say 'pretty please?'.

I agree with this. If execs at Apotex, for example, are peeved that police didn’t interview them, why don’t they reach out to police if they want to make a statement or feel they have something to add?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Something random I noticed in the ITOs:

We heard that loyalty cards were in the ITOs. I noticed this section, it’s not a Sherman last name.

From Ito 8, Appendix c:

I looked at page 123 in the index:

After the meeting with the builders, Honey went to Bayview Village Mall and made purchases at the Gap and a cosmetic counter, but there are no cctv images available.

We know Mary was using Honey’s credit card (at least one), I’m not sure if this is more co-mingling of purchases, but with a loyalty card. A points card was another avenue for someone to track Honey, imo, if that’s why the police are interested in a points card in Mary’s name.


ITOs from: Police's court documents for the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: All in one place

 

[fadedglitter]

For the longest time, I thought it was super weird that Mary’s loyalty card was showing up in the ITOs. I now lean toward thinking Honey was using her sister’s card to get more points for Mary.

EDITED TO ADD: what I mean is that I don’t think there’s anything suspicious here; I think it’s just another odd detail about a billionaire who collected loyalty points and took three-legged flights to Florida for Christmas vacation.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

For the longest time, I thought it was super weird that Mary’s loyalty card was showing up in the ITOs. I now lean toward thinking Honey was using her sister’s card to get more points for Mary.

EDITED TO ADD: what I mean is that I don’t think there’s anything suspicious here; I think it’s just another odd detail about a billionaire who collected loyalty points and took three-legged flights to Florida for Christmas vacation.

It does look like Honey was using Mary’s card to donate points to her. I imagine the police wanted to know if they were together that day shopping. So they might have tracked her cell information.

It’s just one way someone close to Mary would have easy access to more of Honey’s information, imo.

 

[ldlager]

I agree with this. If execs at Apotex, for example, are peeved that police didn’t interview them, why don’t they reach out to police if they want to make a statement or feel they have something to add?

They aren’t peeved. Just surprised.

 

[ldlager]

So, these witnesses refuse to contact LE with their information, they won't tell until police come and ask them directly and and say 'pretty please?'.

Maybe Det. Yip will reach out to them. After all, it’s the 4th Wednesday of the month today, which is the day of the month that TPS works on the Sherman case.

 

[ldlager]

Something random I noticed in the ITOs:

We heard that loyalty cards were in the ITOs. I noticed this section, it’s not a Sherman last name.

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From Ito 8, Appendix c:

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I looked at page 123 in the index:
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After the meeting with the builders, Honey went to Bayview Village Mall and made purchases at the Gap and a cosmetic counter, but there are no cctv images available.

We know Mary was using Honey’s credit card (at least one), I’m not sure if this is more co-mingling of purchases, but with a loyalty card. A points card was another avenue for someone to track Honey, imo, if that’s why the police are interested in a points card in Mary’s name.


ITOs from: Police's court documents for the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: All in one place

So they redacted MS name on the page in the itself but not in the TOC? Just too funny.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

So they redacted MS name on the page in the itself but not in the TOC? Just too funny.

The same thing with the masseuse. All her identifying information is redacted in the affidavit except for the TOC.

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Dec 8, 2023

From the December 2022 affidavit:

Police's court documents for the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case: All in one place

This is a list of all the police affidavits (aka ITOs) used in court in the Barry and Honey Sherman murder case.

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Detective Yim redacted the name and statement on page 31, but the name is unredacted and listed in the table of contents. It’s Honey’s massage therapist who worked on Honey that last Wednesday.

KD has already mentioned her, so it’s not a new revelation. She had a massage from 11:30-2:30 that day. Honey’s assistant, SS, said while Honey was getting a massage she was also upstairs close to them, going over work...

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[WINDSOR]

Let us hope that people who have any information that may be related to this case contact the TPS. Believing you know something that may be pertinent to the case, and waiting for the TPS to contact you is just dumb.

 

[fadedglitter]

Perhaps it’s my (misplaced?) trust in people to behave in good faith, but I think it’s unlikely that anyone who truly believes themselves to have relevant evidence is sitting on it, petulantly refusing to come forward because the police haven’t contacted them directly. The police have made numerous public appeals for information. Anyone with evidence should have provided it by now. If they haven’t, that’s a different type of evidence that reflects very poorly on them.

I think this is just an easy potshot at TPS — well, they didn’t ask ME PERSONALLY for a statement, how diligent can they be, har har…