CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[WINDSOR]

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I think, at Apotex there were hazmat type suits in stock and were used ..... Did the NW (helper in my eyes) carry a folded suit under his winter coat? It should have been possible. MOO

Absolutely, Apotex would have hazmat type suits available. I do not think Barry did any lab work at home, so it is hard to know if had kept this type of apparel at home.

 

[INSP MORSE]

I didn’t write that D-S Price is female. I’m aware of D-S Gomes’s role.

Detective Sergeant Susan Gomes faced significant criticism from investigative journalists and legal experts for not attending the crime scene immediately following the discovery of Barry and Honey Sherman's bodies in 2017.
Key details regarding this criticism include:

• Absence from the Scene: As the lead homicide investigator assigned to the case, Gomes did not visit the Sherman home while the bodies were still present. Reports indicate she did not physically attend the scene for approximately four days after the discovery.
• Investigative "Botch" Claims: Critics, including retired homicide detectives and the Sherman family’s private investigative team, argued that her absence made it difficult to "follow the evidence" effectively. The early police theory that the deaths were a murder-suicide led to perceived failures in securing the scene, such as missing palm prints and overlooking signs of forced entry like an open window.
• Police Defense: In response to these concerns, a police spokesperson stated that Gomes had "complete confidence" in the detectives who were on-site, specifically Detective Brandon Price. The Toronto Police also defended the decision by noting they aim to limit the number of people entering a crime scene during forensic processing to prevent contamination.
• Timing of Discovery: Her absence from the scene did not become public knowledge for nearly two years, further fueling criticism of the initial handling of the high-profile case.

Despite the criticism, Gomes remained the public face of the investigation until her promotion and reassignment in late 2018.

As for the autopsy, we know she didn't have a positive contribution because it was six weeks before she decided it was a double homicide and not murder suicide. If she had had a positive contribution she wouldn't of come to the wrong conclusions for six weeks

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[dotr]

Wondering if the red button to open the glass door to the pool area could be easily accessed, would anybody know what it was for (maybe it could be mistaken for an emergency button)?

Could it also be locked from inside the pool and if so, was it locked at the time of, or shortly after the murders?
2022 rbbm.

The Star saw the Sherman crime-scene and autopsy photos. How could a pathologist and police call it a murder-suicide?

Photos, notes raise new questions about how investigators made their mistaken determination in the Barry and Honey Sherman case.

www.thestar.com

''There is one door into the swimming pool room. It is at the other end of the room from where the bodies were located. To get into that room you have to walk down a long hallway from the front of the house, and unlock the glass door by pressing a red button (placed there for child safety reasons as part of the municipal building code) that is high on a corridor wall.''

 

[fadedglitter]

Wondering if the red button to open the glass door to the pool area could be easily accessed, would anybody know what it was for (maybe it could be mistaken for an emergency button)?

(snip)

I’ve wondered this, too! I don’t typically access indoor pools…is this a standard feature anyone would recognize if they already had the barest familiarity with pools?

This detail always makes me certain I personally would not have immediately known how to get into the pool room. It suggests familiarity with the home (or a previous tour with a real estate agent). But perhaps these door-opening buttons are normal for indoor pools, hot tubs, etc.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

I’ve wondered this, too! I don’t typically access indoor pools…is this a standard feature anyone would recognize if they already had the barest familiarity with pools?

This detail always makes me certain I personally would not have immediately known how to get into the pool room. It suggests familiarity with the home (or a previous tour with a real estate agent). But perhaps these door-opening buttons are normal for indoor pools, hot tubs, etc.

Red buttons are used on power operated doors for a number of things.

 

[dotr]

Wondering if the $ amount in this particular trust has since been revealed, and if the other, other cousins, the Shechtmans, have received anything from it yet?
Does their mother, Mary S. get some of it, or trying to - (separate from the amount apparently promised to her from HS)? speculation.
Jan. 24, 2025 rbbm.

Honey Sherman’s family members sue for part of Barry Sherman’s billions

Honey Sherman’s niece and nephew sue the Barry Sherman 2016 trust seeking an accounting and part of a trust he created the year before the billionaire was murdered

www.thestar.com

''One major complication the Shechtman twins say they face is that Barry set up the trust as a “discretionary trust,” meaning that the three trustees (Jonathon Sherman, Alex Glasenberg and Brad Krawczyk) can determine who among the beneficiaries gets what and how much.
The complication, the lawsuit explains, relates to hostility from the four Sherman children to the Shechtman family. As evidence, the lawsuit states that, “Regrettably, following the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman in December 2017, the relationship between the Sherman Siblings and Mary Shechtman, her husband Allen, and the Applicants broke down.”

 

[planet]

I’ve wondered this, too! I don’t typically access indoor pools…is this a standard feature anyone would recognize if they already had the barest familiarity with pools?

This detail always makes me certain I personally would not have immediately known how to get into the pool room. It suggests familiarity with the home (or a previous tour with a real estate agent). But perhaps these door-opening buttons are normal for indoor pools, hot tubs, etc.

I suspect you would quickly recognize the function of the button, if only from trial and error approaches to opening the door. Especially if you had a dead body with you and you needed access.

 

[fadedglitter]

Wondering if the $ amount in this particular trust has since been revealed, and if the other, other cousins, the Shechtmans, have received anything from it yet?
Does their mother, Mary S. get some of it, or trying to - (separate from the amount apparently promised to her from HS)? speculation.
Jan. 24, 2025 rbbm.

Honey Sherman’s family members sue for part of Barry Sherman’s billions

Honey Sherman’s niece and nephew sue the Barry Sherman 2016 trust seeking an accounting and part of a trust he created the year before the billionaire was murdered

www.thestar.com

''One major complication the Shechtman twins say they face is that Barry set up the trust as a “discretionary trust,” meaning that the three trustees (Jonathon Sherman, Alex Glasenberg and Brad Krawczyk) can determine who among the beneficiaries gets what and how much.
The complication, the lawsuit explains, relates to hostility from the four Sherman children to the Shechtman family. As evidence, the lawsuit states that, “Regrettably, following the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman in December 2017, the relationship between the Sherman Siblings and Mary Shechtman, her husband Allen, and the Applicants broke down.”

Here’s what we know:

That lawsuit ended in a settlement in late 2024. Sources say members of the Shechtman family received a multimillion-dollar cash payout to drop the suit, but none of the parties will discuss the matter.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I suspect you would quickly recognize the function of the button, if only from trial and error approaches to opening the door. Especially if you had a dead body with you and you needed access.

The thing is, how would they know whether or not the button was linked to the alarm system.

Similar to the camera that wasn’t on, and that likely wasn’t common knowledge. How did they know that?

If I was the killer, I’d stray away from the pool room if I didn’t know that I’d 100% not trip an alarm or filmed.

 

[planet]

The thing is, how would they know whether or not the button was linked to the alarm system.

Similar to the camera that wasn’t on, and that likely wasn’t common knowledge. How did they know that?

If I was the killer, I’d stray away from the pool room if I didn’t know that I’d 100% not trip an alarm or filmed.

I think the fundamental question is in your post: Why would the killer even move the bodies (to any room) and expose himself to multiple risks? (e.g. Leaving more evidence about the house, exhausting or injuring himself en route, and extending time in the house).

I posed that question earlier, differently: Why not just leave the bodies where they had fallen? The more you move bodies, the more complex the scene becomes. The pool room as a choice is complex: a basement room, requires careful maneuvering, creates risk of losing a body in the water or getting wet. But the more puzzling question is why they were moved at all.

If I came to a house with the intent to kill a couple, I would do everything to minimize my risks. In and out quickly, with no moving of bodies.

I'm familiar with discussions about possible staging of the crime scene (misdirection) and posing of bodies. I just find it a very strange risk calculus to make.

 

[WINDSOR]

I think the fundamental question is in your post: Why would the killer even move the bodies (to any room) and expose himself to multiple risks? (e.g. Leaving more evidence about the house, exhausting or injuring himself en route, and extending time in the house).

I posed that question earlier, differently: Why not just leave the bodies where they had fallen? The more you move bodies, the more complex the scene becomes. The pool room as a choice is complex: a basement room, requires careful maneuvering, creates risk of losing a body in the water or getting wet. But the more puzzling question is why they were moved at all.

If I came to a house with the intent to kill a couple, I would do everything to minimize my risks. In and out quickly, with no moving of bodies.

I'm familiar with discussions about possible staging of the crime scene (misdirection) and posing of bodies. I just find it a very strange risk calculus to make.

If you beforehand (the killer(s) or the perpetrator), had access to the home and its features, your risks would be reduced, as you would be familiar with the home and its devices. Moving the bodies becomes less risky.

Who knew the home best? Staff, Tradespeople, Real Estate Agents and Clients, Family, Friends. The field of possibilities is shrinking.
MOO

 

[dotr]

Lots of earlier posts with links concerning the staging of bodies after murder, but, fwiw..rbbm.
2015 rbbm.

Crime Scene Staging: The FBI, and the Wrongful Death Expert Witness - Official FBIretired Website | Investigators / Experts

Executive Summary: Offenders will sometimes stage a violent crime because they know that they need to re-direct the investigation. The problem for some of them is that they are unfamiliar with crime scene investigation procedures and may make themselves moreContinue Reading »

fbiretired.com

''In homicide cases, perpetrators who are familiar with the victim (spouses, boyfriends, relatives, neighbors) know they will be considered a suspect due to their relationship to the victim. They must use staging to make it appear that someone else committed the crime and divert attention elsewhere. People who are complete strangers to the victim do not need to stage the crime scene since they will most likely not be on the initial list of suspects; although, some may use this technique to re-direct the investigation to those close to the victim.''

 

[planet]

If you beforehand (the killer(s) or the perpetrator), had access to the home and its features, your risks would be reduced, as you would be familiar with the home and its devices. Moving the bodies becomes less risky.

Who knew the home best? Staff, Tradespeople, Real Estate Agents and Clients, Family, Friends. The field of possibilities is shrinking.
MOO

This line of reasoning would almost certainly eliminate a hired killer. I say "almost" because it is possible for someone in one of the roles to have been hired as the killer or, more likely, to have posed as one of these persons after being hired (potential buyer, for example) to gain access to the house.