CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 December 2017 #24

[WINDSOR]

There are two versions of the same issue. Both cannot be true.

The TPS is working very hard investigating this case, with full efforts in terms of manpower and resources, and it needs to keep information away from the public for investigative reasons

OR

The TPS has allocated token effort and resources, to the case. They are basically waiting for someone to come forward with information that will solve the case. Keeping information from the public, prevents the media and public from asking uncomfortable questions of the TPS about their efforts and errors.

Eight years have gone by and there are persons of interest who have not been cleared yet. It has been years since the TPS has had a press conference or up-date about the case. The TPS has spent thousands of dollars on legal fees fighting the Toronto Star/Kevin Donovan regarding information disclosure.

I do not see any signs of investigative action that would support either Judge Porter, or the TPS's claims regarding their investigation.


Finally, if Dr. Satok, was given a name by Barry, of somebody who was a concern to Barry, and if this name is known to the TPS, and the TPS has not cleared that POI, could that not be considered professional negligence by the TPS?
If this person, cannot be cleared based on evidence, then it follows that person is a prime suspect.

For those concerned about legal issues.

Patient-doctor confidentiality survives the patient’s death in Ontario. Under the Personal Health Information Protection Act, 2004 (PHIPA), a patient's right to privacy does not end at death, and health information custodians (like doctors) must continue to protect this information.

Estate Representative Access: The deceased's legally authorized personal representative (e.g., executor, administrator) can exercise the rights of the deceased under PHIPA, including consenting to the disclosure of records.

Barry's executor's can consent (and probably have) to the disclosure of Barry's health records, and allow Dr. Satok to discuss with the TPS.


MOO

 

[ldlager]

There are two versions of the same issue. Both cannot be true.

The TPS is working very hard investigating this case, with full efforts in terms of manpower and resources, and it needs to keep information away from the public for investigative reasons

OR

The TPS has allocated token effort and resources, to the case. They are basically waiting for someone to come forward with information that will solve the case. Keeping information from the public, prevents the media and public from asking uncomfortable questions of the TPS about their efforts and errors.

Eight years have gone by and there are persons of interest who have not been cleared yet. It has been years since the TPS has had a press conference or up-date about the case. The TPS has spent thousands of dollars on legal fees fighting the Toronto Star/Kevin Donovan regarding information disclosure.

I do not see any signs of investigative action that would support either Judge Porter, or the TPS's claims regarding their investigation.


Finally, if Dr. Satok, was given a name by Barry, of somebody who was a concern to Barry, and if this name is known to the TPS, and the TPS has not cleared that POI, could that not be considered professional negligence by the TPS?
If this person, cannot be cleared based on evidence, then it follows that person is a prime suspect.

For those concerned about legal issues.

Patient-doctor confidentiality survives the patient’s death in Ontario. Under the Personal Health Information Protection Act, 2004 (PHIPA), a patient's right to privacy does not end at death, and health information custodians (like doctors) must continue to protect this information.

Estate Representative Access: The deceased's legally authorized personal representative (e.g., executor, administrator) can exercise the rights of the deceased under PHIPA, including consenting to the disclosure of records.

Barry's executor's can consent (and probably have) to the disclosure of Barry's health records, and allow Dr. Satok to discuss w

 

[ldlager]

Dr/patient confidentiality in Canada doesn’t extend to non medical or non healthcare matters.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Barry’s family physician was also his friend, as we know. When giving his statement to police he may have made the distinction between official office visit information and interactions outside of the office, imo.

 

[Kerry Winter]

It’s not new; it’s the same finding as last time.

Overall this decision suggests that the investigation is indeed active and ongoing, and that the redacted information is significant and not known to the public. But that’s what TPS has said for years.

I wanted the Q&A between me and Detective B Price released. This transcript is VERY revealing! Not surprised it hadn’t been released. Lasted over 3 hrs.

 

[fadedglitter]

I wanted the Q&A between me and Detective B Price released. This transcript is VERY revealing! Not surprised it hadn’t been released. Lasted over 3 hrs.

No transcripts have been released, and I wouldn’t expect yours to ever be released. Nor would I expect video of your interview to become public, as I do not think you committed these murders or will ever be charged with them.

 

[ldlager]

I wanted the Q&A between me and Detective B Price released. This transcript is VERY revealing! Not surprised it hadn’t been released. Lasted over 3 hrs.

Where is the CBC video?

 

[Kerry Winter]

No transcripts have been released, and I wouldn’t expect yours to ever be released. Nor would I expect video of your interview to become public, as I do not think you committed these murders or will ever be charged with them.

Why not release them?

 

[Kerry Winter]

Where is the CBC video?

Very good question! The recording too hasn’t surfaced.

 

[fadedglitter]

Why not release them?

Normally they would not be released except at your trial. Since I don’t believe you will be tried, I don’t think the video or its transcript will ever become public.

A summary of your evidence is likely under the redactions in the ITOs. We’ll see it when someone else is charged. But it will be a summary, like the others. It won’t be a word for word transcript of your conversation.

 

[ldlager]

Why not release them?

Is there any reason why you couldn’t summarize the salient points that you clearly remember, including the items that you call “Very revealing” and post them here?

 

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[WINDSOR]

Is there any reason why you couldn’t summarize the salient points that you clearly remember, including the items that you call “Very revealing” and post them here?

From what Kerry has already posted here, he believes that it was a murder/suicide instigated by Barry. The TPS does not agree with this theory.

I do agree that if Kerry, has any information that he feels the public should know, that they have not heard previously, then Kerry is always free to disclose this information.

Most investigators and sleuthers have discarded the M/S scenario, and there is probably little value in bringing it up again.
MOO

 

[ldlager]

From what Kerry has already posted here, he believes that it was a murder/suicide instigated by Barry. The TPS does not agree with this theory.

I do agree that if Kerry, has any information that he feels the public should know, that they have not heard previously, then Kerry is always free to disclose this information.

Most investigators and sleuthers have discarded the M/S scenario, and there is probably little value in bringing it up again.
MOO

Except KW keeps doing so. And if he truly has any evidence or indication that it was a MS, based on what Det Price said in his supposed 3 Hour interview, then let’s hear it! There is no need to have the actual transcripts released if KW simply tells us what he and Det Price discussed.

 

[fadedglitter]

Except KW keeps doing so. And if he truly has any evidence or indication that it was a MS, based on what Det Price said in his supposed 3 Hour interview, then let’s hear it! There is no need to have the actual transcripts released if KW simply tells us what he and Det Price discussed.

Detective Price’s comments to KW are not evidence. Police routinely mislead people while trying to induce them to incriminate themselves for murder. KW had openly spoken about his plans to murder Barry. Multiple witnesses told police they thought KW or FDA had done it.

My understanding from things KW has previously posted here is that he believes Detective Price agreed with him about M/S. My advice is to spend an hour in any local courthouse to watch videotapes of suspects being interviewed by police, and to take note of the number of times police appear to agree with the suspect. The cops will say pretty much anything to keep a suspect talking.

Almost immediately after interviewing KW, police called a press conference and announced they had evidence indicating it was a targeted double homicide.

 

[ldlager]

Detective Price’s comments to KW are not evidence. Police routinely mislead people while trying to induce them to incriminate themselves for murder. KW had openly spoken about his plans to murder Barry. Multiple witnesses told police they thought KW or FDA had done it.

My understanding from things KW has previously posted here is that he believes Detective Price agreed with him about M/S. My advice is to spend an hour in any local courthouse to watch videotapes of suspects being interviewed by police, and to take note of the number of times police appear to agree with the suspect. The cops will say pretty much anything to keep a suspect talking.

Almost immediately after interviewing KW, police called a press conference and announced they had evidence indicating it was a targeted double homicide.

I do believe early on that TPS was convinced it was a M/S

 

[fadedglitter]

I do believe early on that TPS was convinced it was a M/S

There were three possibilities: double suicide, double homicide, and M/S. Investigators almost immediately ruled out double suicide because of the nature of Honey’s injuries. They investigated M/S and double homicide for six weeks before ruling M/S out.

I erred above: it was right after the interview with FDA, not KW, that the police announced it was a double homicide. By the time KW was interviewed, police had publicly discarded the M/S theory.

January 19: KD reported that the private team believed it was a double homicide.
January 20: Police canvassed the area, showing the neighbours photos of people captured on video from the night of the murders, including the walking man. Only the walking man was not recognized.
January 22: Dr. Pickup told D/S Gomes he believed it was a double homicide.
January 24: Dr. Chiasson told D/S Gomes he believed it was a double homicide.
January 24: FDA was interviewed.
January 26: TPS announced it was a targeted double homicide, and turned the house back to the Sherman family.
February 1: Jeremy Desai was interviewed.
February 1, 9pm: KW was interviewed.
June 21: Dr. Pickup completed his reports.

 

[ldlager]

There were three possibilities: double suicide, double homicide, and M/S. Investigators almost immediately ruled out double suicide because of the nature of Honey’s injuries. They investigated M/S and double homicide for six weeks before ruling M/S out.

I erred above: it was right after the interview with FDA, not KW, that the police announced it was a double homicide. By the time KW was interviewed, police had publicly discarded the M/S theory.

January 19: KD reported that the private team believed it was a double homicide.
January 20: Police canvassed the area, showing the neighbours photos of people captured on video from the night of the murders, including the walking man. Only the walking man was not recognized.
January 22: Dr. Pickup told D/S Gomes he believed it was a double homicide.
January 24: Dr. Chiasson told D/S Gomes he believed it was a double homicide.
January 24: FDA was interviewed.
January 26: TPS announced it was a targeted double homicide, and turned the house back to the Sherman family.
February 1: Jeremy Desai was interviewed.
February 1, 9pm: KW was interviewed.
June 21: Dr. Pickup completed his reports.

 

[ldlager]

And yet it was almost 50 days after the murders before LE interviewed KW and Desai. 50 days! Friends and relatives were not asked to provide alibis. Recent visitors to the home immediately before and after the murders weren’t asked for fingerprint or DNA samples until much later. LE’s actions or lack thereof entirely support the idea that they suspected this was a M/S from the outset. It is not reasonable, based on their investigative actions, to assume they were pursuing a double homicide case until the private detective team and Dr Chiasson pointed out the obvious.

 

[ldlager]

From a new KD article today in the Toronto Star:

“…Based on information provided to the court by the detective on how long it takes him to review and categorize each document, the Star estimates he will be finished in just over 30 years…”

I’d better get a second life so I am around to see this case solved!