Canada - Bruce McArthur charged in murders of six men, Toronto, 2010-2017

[tarabull]

Very strange. If BM was able to disturb their lawn and bury remains without the knowledge of the homeowners, that's bold AF. One of them even said their property is hard as rock, and they had never had BM do any work to it in that respect.

BBM ^^^ Maybe THAT'S what BM told them....??? :thinking:

 

[Jealoushe]

Not sure if this was shared yet
https://www.cp24.com/news/police-se...nked-to-mcarthur-expand-search-east-1.3783059

 

[519er]

So a press conference to say digging at Mallory will be happening? We knew this already, correct? I guess to keep tips coming in?

When asked to confirm stories about the man bound to the bed, he said he would not respond to unsubstantiated rumours


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[Satchie]

Very strange. If BM was able to disturb their lawn and bury remains without the knowledge of the homeowners, that's bold AF. One of them even said their property is hard as rock, and they had never had BM do any work to it in that respect.

Yes, wonder if they'll find anything. I think LE have no choice if a dog indicated that area.

Also, that specific site would be completely hidden if he went at night when he knew the homeowner's were away.

I doubt he had many locations where he could ensure no one was watching when he put something odd in the ground. Even if he was working at a pre-dug site like a newly built pool, anyone might be looking from a window, etc.

 

[BUF]

Police say they 'expect more charges to be laid' against alleged killer Bruce McArthur

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mallory-excavation-bruce-mcarthur-1.4512736

 

[nuff]

The couple at Mallory Crescent haven't been home for a week. The missing men haven't been home for years. I don't think anyone isn't calling in because they might be inconvenienced. I think they didn't think it was relevant until Monday's press conference.

I don't think it's just inconvenience. Their actual street address was published (which surprised a number of people I know, including a couple of lawyers.) What about all the people who will likely flock to see the infamous place(s) where the serial killer stored the remains? What about when they decide to sell? You're less cynical than I am - I'd like to believe humans always consider the public good before their own, but in my experience that's far from universal. (Witness the reaction to the new respite centre on Davenport.)

 

[Grey-St]

Yes, wonder if they'll find anything. I think LE have no choice if a dog indicated that area.

Also, that specific site would be completely hidden if he went at night when he knew the homeowner's were away.

I doubt he had many locations where he could ensure no one was watching when he put something odd in the ground. Even if he was working at a pre-dug site like a newly built pool, anyone might be looking from a window, etc.

Oh my, that's a thought also. I wonder if he ever worked on any new builds.

 

[dotr]

rbbm.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/disco...l-killer-at-work-has-experts-musing-1.3783687

[h=1]Discovery of remains, police belief of serial killer at work has experts musing[/h]

The wide disbursement of evidence appears brazen and bizarre, but should not be interpreted as some sort of affront to citizens-at-large, said Neil Boyd, a criminology professor at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver.

He suspects whoever was behind the crime was merely trying to cover tracks with whatever tools were at hand.

"It's difficult to get rid of bodies. How do you do it in a place like Toronto? You don't have access to heavy machinery and can't bury them 30 feet underground," says Boyd. "Of course, by definition all of this is extremely risky and displays a kind of contempt for human life that almost all of us find very disturbing."

Arntfield agrees, adding that he suspects the planters were used as interim storage, and that police would find more victims at an intended interment location -- wherever that is.

Yaksic diverges from Arntfield in deeming the killer a psychopath, in part because of the extreme measures taken to hide evidence.

"I sense that there is some type of trepidation in their life where they think that they're going to be caught, whereas other killers are arrogant and very confident in themselves," he says.

Arntfield says he wouldn't be surprised if whoever is responsible has been eluding capture for decades, adding that it's entirely plausible that the crimes began in an era when marginalized targets faced even greater discrimination than today.

"A lot of critics are saying that these (disappearances) weren't taken seriously as recently as 2014," he says. "How seriously would these cases have been taken in the '80s when they were still doing bathhouse raids?"

Arntfield said it is not uncommon for serial killers to go through dormant periods where they may pause from their crimes for months, or even years.

Yaksic, also founder of the Serial Homicide Expertise and Information Sharing Collaborative, points to his database in noting the average serial killer begins in their late 20s to early 30s

 

[Grey-St]

I don't think it's just inconvenience. Their actual street address was published (which surprised a number of people I know, including a couple of lawyers.) What about all the people who will likely flock to see the infamous place(s) where the serial killer stored the remains? What about when they decide to sell? You're less cynical than I am - I'd like to believe humans always consider the public good before their own, but in my experience that's far from universal. (Witness the reaction to the new respite centre on Davenport.)

No I for sure hear you. Folks can be awful far more often than I'd like to admit :waiting:, and I've experienced much of it.

 

[Cnd2018]

I wonder if the Robert Plewes case would be connected to BM? (BM Would have been in his 20’s. His missing persons report states he was working as a landscaper. Does anyone know how long BM was in the profession?

Also, the 1988 discovery of a severed head (sorry for gross detail) in the river in Peterborough (BM’s hometown) has never been identified.. wonder if it could be related.

Crazy stuff.

 

[Jasper52]

Yeesh. I hope CP24 replay these clips, I had to miss it. If anyone can find the full interview, please post! Much appreciated :heartbeat:.

Check out the very first video here; https://www.cp24.com/mobile/

Or here; https://www.cp24.com/video?clipId=1316112#1316112

 

[Jealoushe]

I wonder if the Robert Plewes case would be connected to BM? (BM Would have been in his 20’s. His missing persons report states he was working as a landscaper. Does anyone know how long BM was in the profession?

Also, the 1988 discovery of a severed head (sorry for gross detail) in the river in Peterborough (BM’s hometown) has never been identified.. wonder if it could be related.

Crazy stuff.

The one blessing from this, if any, is that many families will not be able to get some closure.

 

[Grey-St]

I wonder if the Robert Plewes case would be connected to BM? (BM Would have been in his 20’s. His missing persons report states he was working as a landscaper. Does anyone know how long BM was in the profession?

Also, the 1988 discovery of a severed head (sorry for gross detail) in the river in Peterborough (BM’s hometown) has never been identified.. wonder if it could be related.

Crazy stuff.

I have Robert Plewes on the list just in case. Don't know about the head, BM was from Fenelon Falls, but anything is possible.

 

[tarabull]

Here's the head found in Peterborough https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/who-is-t...vered-head-found-at-bottom-of-river-1.1908949

:thinking:

going to see if there is a thread here???

ETA2: Head Thread: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...0-in-river-Jul-88&highlight=head+peterborough

ETA: Robert Plewes: https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?67053-Canada-Robert-Plewes-20-Toronto-30-June-1984

ETA3: HERE'S a UID IN BOBCAYGEON found in April of 2005 https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...50-Osteoarthritis-Apr-05&highlight=bobcaygeon

 

[Jealoushe]

Detective says the first 2 planters contained the three remains. 12 more to look at so far.

If you watch the video this property they want to excavate is fairly private on the backside.

 

[dotr]

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ave-accidentally-preserved-remains-for-police
Victor Ferreira

[h=1]By allegedly burying human remains in planters, Bruce McArthur may have accidentally preserved bones for police[/h] [h=2]Scott Fairgrieve said burying human remains actually works to preserve because insects, the sun, heat and scavengers aren't working to decompose them[/h]

The soil found in household gardens is usually neutral and not appropriate to support the growth of acidic plants. However, the acidity of the soil can be manipulated in a more controlled area such as a planter box. But, even if a killer purposely buried human remains in the most acidic soil, Fairgrieve said, they’d have to consistently drown it in water — and it would still take several years for the bones to decompose.

Forensic anthropologists will trim the flowers inside the planters and use tiny brushes and even sterile tongue depressors — what doctors use to examine mouths — to dig through the soil from the top down mere centimetres at a time. One planter would take an entire day to get through, Fairgrieve said.

Forensics teams are only able to dig centimetres before waiting for lower layers of soil to thaw. The heat is so intense within the tents that Fairgrieve has seen the protective suits they wear melt. Their goal — with the planters and larger areas that require a test pit — is to find enough remains to create a osteobiography — a bone biography that allows the team to determine the age and sex of the victim.

 

[Jasper52]

I wonder if the Robert Plewes case would be connected to BM? (BM Would have been in his 20’s. His missing persons report states he was working as a landscaper. Does anyone know how long BM was in the profession?

Also, the 1988 discovery of a severed head (sorry for gross detail) in the river in Peterborough (BM’s hometown) has never been identified.. wonder if it could be related.

Crazy stuff.

Peterborough is not BM's hometown.

 

[ttcRider]

I believe his hometown is Fenelon Falls? IIRC

 

[Jealoushe]

They said they are looking in three cities/regions now

 

[tarabull]

Fenlon Falls, Peterborough, Bobcaygeon https://goo.gl/maps/nXJceLprij62