Found Deceased Canada - Genevieve Cormier, 19, St John, NB, 29 Sept 2013 - #2

[OldSteve]

Add to the ^^ if a crime took place it's important for the public to be made aware.
Not alerting would be like the Center City Rapist:

http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/crime/2003/073003dnmain.asp

 

[Truth Prevails]

Add to the ^^ if a crime took place it's important for the public to be made aware.
Not alerting would be like the Center City Rapist:

http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/crime/2003/073003dnmain.asp

BBM - Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

However, I believe that part of the equation rests solely on the shoulders of the powers that be in the city.

I don't mean to single out one specific city because the problem is not isolated to one city in particular.

Still, I will always wonder if Shelby's death had warranted the investigation that I feel it should have; would Yeonhee and Genevieve be alive today?

Or if Shelby's and Yeonhee's deaths, together, had warranted a proper investigation--media coverage, pressure to solve, and all--would Genevieve be alive today?

We will never know the answer to that--we have no true openness in our system. No checks and balances.

Authorities have these cases closed--at least two of them, as suicides. Genevieve's death is probably closed as accidental--only as a 'favor' to her family.

In a province where many suicide and accidental deaths pass regularly without question by the public; these three cases are hard to ignore, due to their timing; their locations; and the choice of victims.

It is a system that has been carefully crafted and fine-tuned over the years.

Perhaps a serial killer has entered and caused a chink in the system. Perhaps the perpetrator is all too aware of the system, and delights in the dilemma.

 

[OldSteve]

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Or if Shelby's and Yeonhee's deaths, together, had warranted a proper investigation--media coverage, pressure to solve, and all--would Genevieve be alive today?

Genevieve's death is one of the most baffling cases I've followed! What part of the puzzle are we missing?

I wish those who knew her and were close to her would come on-board here and discuss what they know about her and what was taking place in her life in the days and hours leading up to her disappearance.

I forgot, did she have a serious BF? Is he okay with this cause of death? How about any other really best friend(s)?

 

[swedie]

BBM - Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

However, I believe that part of the equation rests solely on the shoulders of the powers that be in the city.

I don't mean to single out one specific city because the problem is not isolated to one city in particular.

Still, I will always wonder if Shelby's death had warranted the investigation that I feel it should have; would Yeonhee and Genevieve be alive today?

Or if Shelby's and Yeonhee's deaths, together, had warranted a proper investigation--media coverage, pressure to solve, and all--would Genevieve be alive today?

We will never know the answer to that--we have no true openness in our system. No checks and balances.

Authorities have these cases closed--at least two of them, as suicides. Genevieve's death is probably closed as accidental--only as a 'favor' to her family.

In a province where many suicide and accidental deaths pass regularly without question by the public; these three cases are hard to ignore, due to their timing; their locations; and the choice of victims.

It is a system that has been carefully crafted and fine-tuned over the years.

Perhaps a serial killer has entered and caused a chink in the system. Perhaps the perpetrator is all too aware of the system, and delights in the dilemma.

As in the tragic case of Matthew Huszar, 25, from Vancouver, BC. This case has raised many red flags for me. He disappeared December 16, 2011 and was recently found December 6, 2013, in the water at a marina almost two years to the day later. Matthew was someone with a bright future/career, he had recently purchased a sailboat and had future plans of sailing abroad. He showed no signs of depression or a troubled life. He had packed his belongings the night before because he was heading home to spend Christmas with his family. He was found in a location heading away from his destination of home where he had told those he was with (other employee at company Christmas party), he was heading around midnight. And according to those he was with, he was not drank much alcohol. LE is suggesting no foul play but they are at least investigating further.

I cannot get past the fact he had been in the water for almost two years, at a what seems like a busy waterway and just found recently. The only thing I can come up with is he must have been caught up underneath a dock all that time. But the big question remains; what happened to this seeming happy guy with a bright future, who was making plans and all of a sudden just vanished. Very similar to Gen's case. I for one do suspect foul play in both cases. I would like for LE to be more precise in why they claim no foul play. More information on his case can be found here on WS at this link.

Found Deceased Canada - Matthew Huszar, 25, Vancouver BC, 16 Dec. 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Sandpiper]

I think a major problem in the investigation of Shelby, Yeonhee, and Gens death is the lack of a crime scene. No clues to pick up, no dna from scene to test. No witnesses. Very easy to say not related. However, with three women disappearing, two found in just about the same area of water, and two disappearing from the same area isn't it just mucho hinky?

 

[Crimson clover]

Hi, Gen troopers!
I achieved a brief moment...decided to catch up here (completed page 15)...agreed to throw the football with my 7 year old g-son during the Colts/Patriots game...he requested a 'jet pass'...so I shot one. I broke a glass of red and an antique lamp in the process! Now, I have broken glass everywhere!

Extremely O/T, I know. But, we had fun...as I thought of Gen.
Not sure yet where her story stands...nor any progress of events.
Consider this a silly, happy :bump:for Genna! Appreciation likewise, for those who keep her thread alive, with the sense/drive for justice on her behalf.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Respectfully snipped:


Genevieve's death is one of the most baffling cases I've followed! What part of the puzzle are we missing?

I would say it's baffling if it weren't for the similarities in the deaths of Shelby and Yeonhee.

We are missing the evidence that all three women were abducted, murdered, and thrown in a wild river.

Most likely we are not 'coincidentally' missing these pieces--it was intended by the perpetrator to be that way, imo.

Someone needs to roll up their sleeves and get to work.

I wish those who knew her and were close to her would come on-board here and discuss what they know about her and what was taking place in her life in the days and hours leading up to her disappearance.

Yes, it would be nice to hear from those that knew her; but I don't think there was anything in her life that could solve this puzzle.

We did hear a little from two of Gen's close girlfriends before she was found. One young woman hardly missed a ground search--search after search she was out combing the bushes and embankments.

In one interview, I remember that she said that her and Gen had talked about getting an apartment together in Fredericton after school was finished. Fredericton is a university city, and lots of young people want to live there. I seem to remember I did, too.

She said Gen would call her if there were 'problems' home--but who doesn't share their 'problems' with their girlfriends when they are 19? It's normal. Everybody has 'problems.'

The close friend that Gen had texted at 3:30 pm, said Gen would never disappear without telling anyone where she was. She said Gen was very good about letting her mom know her whereabouts and things like that.

It is unconfirmed, but it was stated that law enforcement did check her Facebook, and any other social media sites she may have used. We never heard that they found anything that concerned them.

I forgot, did she have a serious BF? Is he okay with this cause of death? How about any other really best friend(s)?

I never heard any mention of a serious boyfriend.

I only heard Gen's mom call Nick her 'friend' in interviews--so IDK.

 

[Truth Prevails]

As in the tragic case of Matthew Huszar, 25, from Vancouver, BC. This case has raised many red flags for me. He disappeared December 16, 2011 and was recently found December 6, 2013, in the water at a marina almost two years to the day later. Matthew was someone with a bright future/career, he had recently purchased a sailboat and had future plans of sailing abroad. He showed no signs of depression or a troubled life. He had packed his belongings the night before because he was heading home to spend Christmas with his family. He was found in a location heading away from his destination of home where he had told those he was with (other employee at company Christmas party), he was heading around midnight. And according to those he was with, he was not drank much alcohol. LE is suggesting no foul play but they are at least investigating further.

I cannot get past the fact he had been in the water for almost two years, at a what seems like a busy waterway and just found recently. The only thing I can come up with is he must have been caught up underneath a dock all that time. But the big question remains; what happened to this seeming happy guy with a bright future, who was making plans and all of a sudden just vanished. Very similar to Gen's case. I for one do suspect foul play in both cases. I would like for LE to be more precise in why they claim no foul play. More information on his case can be found here on WS at this link.

Found Deceased Canada - Matthew Huszar, 25, Vancouver BC, 16 Dec. 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Thanks, Swedie!

I got over to check his thread out.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I think a major problem in the investigation of Shelby, Yeonhee, and Gens death is the lack of a crime scene. No clues to pick up, no dna from scene to test. No witnesses. Very easy to say not related. However, with three women disappearing, two found in just about the same area of water, and two disappearing from the same area isn't it just mucho hinky?

I agree that it's a problem; but no one said it was going to be easy.

What's that old saying: "When the going gets tough, the tough get going?"

Or something like that.

Why don't they set up a little reward on Crime Stoppers and ask people to phone in anonymously with what they are hearing on the street about all three cases?

There are places they could start, if that wanted to do so.

 

[Truth Prevails]

Hi, Gen troopers!
I achieved a brief moment...decided to catch up here (completed page 15)...agreed to throw the football with my 7 year old g-son during the Colts/Patriots game...he requested a 'jet pass'...so I shot one. I broke a glass of red and an antique lamp in the process! Now, I have broken glass everywhere!

Extremely O/T, I know. But, we had fun...as I thought of Gen.
Not sure yet where her story stands...nor any progress of events.
Consider this a silly, happy :bump:for Genna! Appreciation likewise, for those who keep her thread alive, with the sense/drive for justice on her behalf.

Hi, Crimson Clover!

Oh, dear. You broke an antique lamp doing a jet pass? Yikes!

Thanks for your thoughts.

Yep, some of us are still here; thinking of Gen all the time.

 

[jillybean51]

I see the article is out in Frank Magazine about Gens disappearance .

 

[OldSteve]

I see the article is out in Frank Magazine about Gens disappearance .

If you have a link? - thanks

 

[jillybean51]

If you have a link? - thanks

You need a subscription for the magazine so I 'll have to pick it up at a store.The title sounds like the article is referring to Websleuths though.

 

[jillybean51]

You need a subscription for the magazine so I 'll have to pick it up at a store.The title sounds like the article is referring to Websleuths though.

Jan 13 , 2014
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Why these people think there’s a serial killer stalking N.B. women
by Mike Gorman

Subscribe now to continue reading ..
Someone goes missing. A frantic search by authorities follows. Family members plead for either information or the return of their daughter/son, sister/brother. Hope begins to wane. A month or so later, a body washes up or is unearthed, and is soon identified as the missing woman.

 

[OldSteve]

Jan 13 , 2014
0
Why these people think there’s a serial killer stalking N.B. women
by Mike Gorman

Subscribe now to continue reading ..
Someone goes missing. A frantic search by authorities follows. Family members plead for either information or the return of their daughter/son, sister/brother. Hope begins to wane. A month or so later, a body washes up or is unearthed, and is soon identified as the missing woman.

Thanks for this jillybeans - sounds like the article is more about "why these people think" rather than the author thinking something's amiss...

 

[RainyAlaska]

In searching for information on Canadian pathology reports, I found this article about the percentages of incorrect Canadian death certificates (April, 2013). Slightly OT but it does give cause for concern.

"An estimated 20 to 50 per cent of death certificates are incorrect, the pathologist said."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/doctors-report-cause-of-death-incorrectly-too-often-expert-says-1.1341132

That is a very high percentage IMHO. Makes me wonder if it's caused by lack of training, being overworked, poor record keeping or other factors? Even if we could get a copy of Gen's autopsy report, it may be inaccurate. I've never seen an official cause of death. Was it "accidental drowning"? Were there ANY indications of any other possible injuries? Any possible signs of a struggle? Gen's body was in the water for a long time so there just may not be any evidence to be found. We may never know.

Are there any pathology experts here on WS? What should a Medical Examiner (ME) have looked for? After a month in the water, what evidence might an ME expect to find or not find? If the ME assumed that it was a drowning death, did they even look for more? Autopsies can tell volumes but you have to know what to look for and have experience to make sense of what you find. Given the circumstances surrounding Gen's disappearance and the other women, I would want a second opinion from an expert pathologist if Gen had been my relative.

If we don't think it was suicide or accidental drowning, what do we do next? Is there anything more we can do for Gen and her case? I'd love to read Mike Gorman's article but am unable to access it. This case has been frustrating.

 

[RainyAlaska]

In Ontario, Canada, a family member may request an Inquest in writing.

http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/english/DeathInvestigations/CommonQuestionsAboutCoronersInvestigations/OCC_common_questions.html

One of the reason for an Inquest can be simply "to make Ontario a safer province". I haven't been able to locate the same Government website for New Brunswick but this is close.

http://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/services/services_renderer.14198.Coroner_Services.html

 

[Truth Prevails]

Hi, RainyAlaska!

You said: I'd love to read Mike Gorman's article but am unable to access it. This case has been frustrating.

I'm waiting for GinaBeth to drop in. She said she might be able to post a link on line for the article. (Maybe some inside connections.)

I'll be back later to read the article you linked and comment on your great post.

I'm just dropping in quickly on a break from Amber Kirwan's trial, here, at Wesbleuths.

 

[jillybean51]

http://www.operationtakemehome.org/sar/Fire%20and%20Rescue%20Personnel/Biology%20of%20drowning.pdf



An interesting article I found on the effects of currents on a body.

 

[OldSteve]

In searching for information on Canadian pathology reports, I found this article about the percentages of incorrect Canadian death certificates (April, 2013). Slightly OT but it does give cause for concern.

"An estimated 20 to 50 per cent of death certificates are incorrect, the pathologist said."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/docto...h-incorrectly-too-often-expert-says-1.1341132

That is a very high percentage IMHO. Makes me wonder if it's caused by lack of training, being overworked, poor record keeping or other factors? Even if we could get a copy of Gen's autopsy report, it may be inaccurate. I've never seen an official cause of death. Was it "accidental drowning"? Were there ANY indications of any other possible injuries? Any possible signs of a struggle? Gen's body was in the water for a long time so there just may not be any evidence to be found. We may never know.

Are there any pathology experts here on WS? What should a Medical Examiner (ME) have looked for? After a month in the water, what evidence might an ME expect to find or not find? If the ME assumed that it was a drowning death, did they even look for more? Autopsies can tell volumes but you have to know what to look for and have experience to make sense of what you find. Given the circumstances surrounding Gen's disappearance and the other women, I would want a second opinion from an expert pathologist if Gen had been my relative.

If we don't think it was suicide or accidental drowning, what do we do next? Is there anything more we can do for Gen and her case? I'd love to read Mike Gorman's article but am unable to access it. This case has been frustrating.

Check this out as it shows how far off different ME findings can be:
NY NY - Who Killed Amanda Wienckowski? Buffalo, 5 Dec 2008 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

It's truly mind boggling!