Found Deceased Canada - Genevieve Cormier, 19, St John, NB, 29 Sept 2013 - #2

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As far as I know, we have never received any update.
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Either they want to keep it all quiet or they're trying to decide how to handle it. Maybe they think if they keep quiet, it will all go away. It must be difficult for the family. Seems like some questions about this case will never get answers. Thanks Truth for all you've done for this case.
 
  • #602
As far as I know, we have never received any update.
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Your right on this Truth I check papers everyday. There has not been one word about Gen since the year end article by the reporter who did alot of the stories about Gen while she was missing.
 
  • #603
Either they want to keep it all quiet or they're trying to decide how to handle it. Maybe they think if they keep quiet, it will all go away. It must be difficult for the family. Seems like some questions about this case will never get answers. Thanks Truth for all you've done for this case.
Back atcha, RainyAlaska! :)

I just want to point out that I have nothing but fellow feeling for all members of Gen's family and her friends.

All I'm asking for is what we have a right to know, and what we were promised by Sgt. Henderson of the SJPD--an update.

I'm not asking to know the results of the toxicology report; or to receive any details that might upset the integrity of the case.

Concerning the below quote--did they find trauma; is the report back yet? What kind of update did Henderson have in mind that he would consider releasing to the public. Surely we have a right to know something.

Quote: "We want to rule out any type of trauma that's been done to the body. And also we're awaiting on the toxicology report," he said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...ected-in-death-of-genevieve-cormier-1.2355421

Is the investigation into Genevieve's death open or not? Only a 'yes' or 'no' answer would be required.

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  • #604
Your right on this Truth I check papers everyday. There has not been one word about Gen since the year end article by the reporter who did alot of the stories about Gen while she was missing.
Thank you for this, Sandpiper.

I forage the internet daily--and I'm sure others do, as well.

Between us all, I don't see how we could have missed an important and promised update.
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  • #605
Back atcha, RainyAlaska! :)

I just want to point out that I have nothing but fellow feeling for all members of Gen's family and her friends.

All I'm asking for is what we have a right to know, and what we were promised by Sgt. Henderson of the SJPD--an update.

I'm not asking to know the results of the toxicology report; or to receive any details that might upset the integrity of the case.

Concerning the below quote--did they find trauma; is the report back yet? What kind of update did Henderson have in mind that he would consider releasing to the public. Surely we have a right to know something.

Quote: "We want to rule out any type of trauma that's been done to the body. And also we're awaiting on the toxicology report," he said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...ected-in-death-of-genevieve-cormier-1.2355421

Is the investigation into Genevieve's death open or not? Only a 'yes' or 'no' answer would be required.

imo

All good points! IMO, family would have to push the media, make waves (no pun intended) to get answers; otherwise, unless another woman is found in the water, I think we won't hear more, sadly...
 
  • #606
All good points! IMO, family would have to push the media, make waves (no pun intended) to get answers; otherwise, unless another woman is found in the water, I think we won't hear more, sadly...
I'm just guessing, but I think the family is absolutely entitled to know the status of the investigation; and even to see the results of the toxicology report and the full autopsy--especially if the SJPD have closed Genevieve's case as an accidental death. I really believe they couldn't hold it from them.

If Genevieve's case is still open, then it's possible the family would not be allowed access to everything.

I'm not asking for what the family knows, though--I totally understand and respect their right to privacy.

All I want to know is did the toxicology report ever come back; and what is the current status of the police investigation. Has Genevieve's death officially been ruled accidental?

I really think the general public has a right to know that much--but maybe I'm wrong. However, I would be shocked to find out that we aren't entitled to that little bit of information.
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For another thing, Henderson told the media he would provide an update. Maybe it's the media that needs to ask, and they haven't bothered because they are not interested. :(

Quote: Police will provide an update once they receive the medical report from the Saint John Regional Hospital's pathology department, Henderson said.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-b...ected-in-death-of-genevieve-cormier-1.2355421
 
  • #607
I really think the general public has a right to know that much--but maybe I'm wrong. However, I would be shocked to find out that we aren't entitled to that little bit of information.

Truth, you're 100% correct. The public has the right to know. I agree with you. The silence is disturbing. What can't they say?
 
  • #608
Sadly, I think it would take another body showing up in the harbour for the media to get on this.
I find the idea of a serial killer hiding out in the bushes of west Saint John such a stretch. But at the same time, what other explanation could there be. Suicide? Accident? Those theories are even more of a stretch when you look at the circumstances. A suicide into the reversing falls would have to happen from the bridge IMO... She was well past the bridge... What kind of accident could happen for her to end up in the water? Along that path there just doesn't seem to be any direct way to fall down directly into the water...... I suppose she could have fell and landed on ground and the tide came in and washed her away.... But I'm not so sure that is likely either. When the spring time rolls around and the snow is gone I will head down there and see if an accidental fall seems plausible. But just going from memory of that area, it doesn't seem plausible.
 
  • #609
Sadly, I think it would take another body showing up in the harbour for the media to get on this.
I find the idea of a serial killer hiding out in the bushes of west Saint John such a stretch. But at the same time, what other explanation could there be. Suicide? Accident? Those theories are even more of a stretch when you look at the circumstances. A suicide into the reversing falls would have to happen from the bridge IMO... She was well past the bridge... What kind of accident could happen for her to end up in the water? Along that path there just doesn't seem to be any direct way to fall down directly into the water...... I suppose she could have fell and landed on ground and the tide came in and washed her away.... But I'm not so sure that is likely either. When the spring time rolls around and the snow is gone I will head down there and see if an accidental fall seems plausible. But just going from memory of that area, it doesn't seem plausible.

Good summation of the way I feel CoolJ. One of the most confusing cases I've followed!
 
  • #610
Sadly, I think it would take another body showing up in the harbour for the media to get on this.
I find the idea of a serial killer hiding out in the bushes of west Saint John such a stretch. But at the same time, what other explanation could there be. Suicide? Accident? Those theories are even more of a stretch when you look at the circumstances. A suicide into the reversing falls would have to happen from the bridge IMO... She was well past the bridge... What kind of accident could happen for her to end up in the water? Along that path there just doesn't seem to be any direct way to fall down directly into the water...... I suppose she could have fell and landed on ground and the tide came in and washed her away.... But I'm not so sure that is likely either. When the spring time rolls around and the snow is gone I will head down there and see if an accidental fall seems plausible. But just going from memory of that area, it doesn't seem plausible.

Perfect summation of the way I feel CoolJ. This is one of the most confusing cases I've followed!
 
  • #611
Sadly, I think it would take another body showing up in the harbour for the media to get on this.
This infuriates me. Another beautiful young woman will have been stripped of her life. Whose child, mother, sister, aunt, friend will be next? You? Me? Who?

What if he goes to another city and starts afresh? What if he has come to Saint John from another city with the same attitude?


I find the idea of a serial killer hiding out in the bushes of west Saint John such a stretch.
It may sound like a stretch when you put it that way--I agree. We don't like to admit our beautiful little, 'safe,' cities could harbor a serial killer.

Nope, not us, we think. We don't have to worry about that stuff. It only happens in big cities.

We need to look long and hard at the facts of these three deaths:

Shelby Dawn Williams, last seen: September 22, 2012.

Yeonhee Choi, last seen: April 22, 2013.

Genevieve Cormier, last seen: September 29, 2013.

If anyone hasn't done so already, make careful note of the intervals between their 'missing' dates. (Keep in mind March is snowy and very cold in this area.) Make note of how they just disappeared, into seemingly thin air.

Make note of their last known locations, and of where their bodies washed up.


But at the same time, what other explanation could there be. Suicide? Accident? Those theories are even more of a stretch when you look at the circumstances.
BBM - I agree.


A suicide into the reversing falls would have to happen from the bridge IMO... She was well past the bridge...
Exactly.


What kind of accident could happen for her to end up in the water? Along that path there just doesn't seem to be any direct way to fall down directly into the water......
This is what I would like to know. Even a young person can stumble on a stick, or something in their path, they haven't noticed--but, how could Genevieve have ended up in the water from that path? My understanding is that the path is a very safe distance from the water; and the embankment is overgrown with shrubs; and stunted trees; and huge jutting rocks. A person could not simply roll down into the river.

Maybe a Mack truck could plough it's way down there; but not a 120 lb woman.

And what about Yeonhee Choi five months earlier?


I suppose she could have fell and landed on ground and the tide came in and washed her away.... But I'm not so sure that is likely either.
BBM--If she slipped and fell while walking on the path, she should have been found on or near the path. How could the water get way up there to wash her away?

The only way I can see it, is if she turned around and walked down the wooden stairs built for the jet boat dock.

I feel there is a very, very slim chance of that happening. First of all--I'm not at all sure they don't block off those stairs when the boats aren't using them. They would--or certainly should--be considered dangerous.

Second, she would have been right on water's level, with the stair railings to hold onto. Now, I'll have to go back and check to see if the tide was coming in or going out at around 4:30 pm on the 29th of September, 2013. I believe it was coming in; but either way, there should have been some level of water below those stairs. A local person would know the danger.

She walked that path often. She wanted to get home and get her laundry done. There is no real reason to believe she would have even come near those stairs.

And what about Yeonhee Choi five months earlier?



When the spring time rolls around and the snow is gone I will head down there and see if an accidental fall seems plausible. But just going from memory of that area, it doesn't seem plausible.
I'm not exaggerating to say I have contemplated doing this--many times to be honest. I would like to walk that path from one end to the other by myself.

If you go, please bring your camera and take some pictures for us. :please:

I heard there is seaweed that is very slippery around the foot of the steps, so do be careful.
 
  • #612
Truth, you're 100% correct. The public has the right to know. I agree with you. The silence is disturbing. What can't they say?
I agree that the silence is disturbing.

I don't know if it is because the case is still open and they don't want us to know because of the implications that would involve; or because they have it closed and choose not to acknowledge it publicly.

(After all--if it happens again, a statement like that would not be a good thing to have on the record.)

Another thing I don't know, is if a member of the general public really has a recourse to find out.

Maybe only the media can ask? Are they allowed to ask, or do they have to wait to be told?

We appear to be stagnating on the outside of a circular situation.
 
  • #613
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TruthPrevails said:
This infuriates me. Another beautiful young woman will have been stripped of her life. Whose child, mother, sister, aunt, friend will be next? You? Me? Who?

What if he goes to another city and starts afresh? What if he has come to Saint John from another city with the same attitude?

Yes! Wish local papers would print story about the three women if only to make local women aware about being alone in that area.
 
  • #614
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This infuriates me. Another beautiful young woman will have been stripped of her life. Whose child, mother, sister, aunt, friend will be next? You? Me? Who?

What if he goes to another city and starts afresh? What if he has come to Saint John from another city with the same attitude?


Yes! Wish local papers would print story about the three women if only to make local women aware about being alone in that area.
I don't think they would be allowed to write an article connecting the three women in any way.

If they were so inclined, they could possibly do a "public awareness" article, generally reminding women that it is never a good idea to walk alone.

Probably no-one would listen, but it never hurts to try.

With Shelby last seen in the uptown area, I would personally like to see the warning not be specific to the path walked by Genevieve and Yeonhee.
 
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Genevieve Cormier, 19, went missing on Sept. 29. (Facebook)

Saint John police say they have concluded the investigation into the death of Genevieve Cormier and foul play has been ruled out.

The 19-year-old Saint John High School student went missing in September.

Her body was discovered on a beach 35 days later.

In an email to CBC News on Wednesday morning, Sgt. Jay Henderson said a coroner's report and a pathologist examination have been completed. Both reports rule out foul play, he said.

The details of the reports will not be made public at the request of Cormier's family, said Henderson.

The disappearance of the popular teen drew national attention.

Cormier was last seen alive on Sept. 29 in the parking lot at Reversing Falls on the city's west side.

Volunteers canvassed neighbourhoods and tramped through wooded areas searching for clues.

The Coast Guard swept surrounding shorelines and a group of unions put up a $10,000 reward for Cormier's safe return.

Her body was discovered by a woman walking her dog in the Red Head area, on the city's east side.

Hundreds of mourners attended Cormier's funeral.

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So I guess that's it then?!
 
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Well here we are done and dusted. Guess I knew this was going to be the conclusion. With no crime scene found in water.... Just wish I could agree with this opinion. Cannot and I know others in this city who feel the same.
 

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