CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Judy Sleuth]

Lily with a backpack seems like getting ready for school. Yet Jack was in just boots. Odd.

I've seen several different members who believed he was wearing only boots and a pull-up. But I took the police report to mean he was at least wearing those things, and it wasn't clear what else. Even Lily's clothing was announced as a "may be wearing." So it seems the only things that we know for certain are the boots and the backpack, because those items are missing from the home now.

I do wish RCMP would update with what it's believed the children ARE wearing. A photo such as they did with the boots would be helpful. Surely, the parents have been able to narrow that down by now, again in terms of what clothing is missing from the home.

 

[Andromeda]

Further to Chris Lewis’s comments with CTV news above regarding the RCMP re-searching the kids’ perimeter:

“...Martell says Lily and Jack never go into the woods by themselves. He describes them as vulnerable and autistic.

“We never cross the road. We have cabins we built up in the woods, and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them,” he says. …"

‘The house is just silent’: Stepdad speaks out as exhaustive search for missing N.S. children enters fifth day

 

[JDG]

I've seen several different members who believed he was wearing only boots and a pull-up. But I took the police report to mean he was at least wearing those things, and it wasn't clear what else. Even Lily's clothing was announced as a "may be wearing." So it seems the only things that we know for certain are the boots and the backpack, because those items are missing from the home now.

I do wish RCMP would update with what it's believed the children ARE wearing. A photo such as they did with the boots would be helpful. Surely, the parents have been able to narrow that down by now, again in terms of what clothing is missing from the home.

The police will only tell you what they WANT you to know.

The rest? Not your business.

That’s how it works in Canada.

 

[iamafiusny]

Further to Chris Lewis’s comments with CTV news above regarding the RCMP re-searching the kids’ perimeter:

“...Martell says Lily and Jack never go into the woods by themselves. He describes them as vulnerable and autistic.

“We never cross the road. We have cabins we built up in the woods, and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them,” he says. …"

‘The house is just silent’: Stepdad speaks out as exhaustive search for missing N.S. children enters fifth day

I wonder why his first decision was to jump on atv and search culverts etc if they never go into the woods or cross the road.

Moo

 

[Chimera]

"The RCMP say they’re scaling back their search for two missing children. CTV News public safety analyst Chris Lewis on what that means."

CTV:…They said they’re going to be circling back on areas that have been looked at before. So what does that tell you? This move signal at this stage of the investigation.

CL:…They’ve obviously made the decision that they don’t believe the kids have got further than their their perimeter the area they’ve already searched. So they want to go back and re-search it. And, uh, he also specifically said there’s areas they want to revisit. ..

CTV: is it possible one of the areas they are going to go back and re-search is the children’s home and the property surrounding?

CL: It could well be. It could be specific areas in that turf that maybe there’s water, uh, culverts and things like that. I don’t know, I’m only guessing here. Uh, but they’re pretty careful how they worded it all. And, which makes me think, once again from an investigative perspective, they know something we don’t.”

My maternal side is in N.S., actually not that far from Shubenacadie, so not far from Landsdowne Station. So, I have an understanding of rural living “around there”. In addition to re-searching the home, what about the well? It’s not uncommon for many rural residents to have to order water during the summer months. That entails lifting the cap of the well and, like filling a pool, the water truck delivers what they order. The well would be located in immediate proximity to the home.

jmo/moo

Thanks for the link !

Depending on how large the perimeter , it appears LE don't think they're further out than that.
The circle of searching is tightening around the home area.
Wonder if LE are going to search the area with HRD dogs ?

Although the possibility that both kids fell into a culvert and sadly succumbed, would be about as rare as a random kidnapping, imo.
Waiting anxiously for an update from LE/RCMP.
Omo.

 

[Chimera]

The police will only tell you what they WANT you to know.

The rest? Not your business.

That’s how it works in Canada.

I think maybe they meant it would be helpful to know what they were wearing in the incredibly rare chance someone took them and a member of the public spotted them at a restaurant or convenience store ?
Odds are against someone taking them esp. with other members of the extended family living there; but you just never know.
I wish this could have a happy ending, somehow.
Jack and Lily are adorable kids.
Omo.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Let's keep in mind no evidence of anything has been released. No evidence of abduction but also no evidence of an alternative. So it could still be anything.

IMO the parents are preemptively defending themselves a bit too much, but that can be interpreted in different ways. It doesn't necessarily mean they know what happened to the children nor that they deserve scrutiny.

 

[Judy Sleuth]

The police will only tell you what they WANT you to know.

The rest? Not your business.

That’s how it works in Canada.

I agree about keeping it close to the vest.

My interest isn't just nosiness, though. I'd expect RCMP would want the public - at least locals - to be aware in case someone encountered the children, and the description of clothing would definitely be important. Perhaps RCMP have notified the local community. Because that would help an ordinary member of the public to recognize that they have found/witnessed something related to the lost children.

Example: if I knew that a missing person had on a bright blue shirt, then if I'm out walking in the woods and see bright blue off ahead, I won't just ignore it as being a Walmart bag that got blown around and snagged on something (most common cause of bright blue where it shouldn't be in my community), but rather I'd go see what it is for sure, in case it was related to the missing person.

 

[AIGT]

Further to Chris Lewis’s comments with CTV news above regarding the RCMP re-searching the kids’ perimeter:

“...Martell says Lily and Jack never go into the woods by themselves. He describes them as vulnerable and autistic.

“We never cross the road. We have cabins we built up in the woods, and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them,” he says. …"

‘The house is just silent’: Stepdad speaks out as exhaustive search for missing N.S. children enters fifth day

We never cross the road. We have cabins we built up in the woods, and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them,” he says. …"

This quote stuck out to me for multiple reasons the first time I heard it. My opinion.

 

[Chimera]

I wonder why his first decision was to jump on atv and search culverts etc if they never go into the woods or cross the road.

Moo

Agreed.
It sounds like both little kids were fairly stay-at-home ?
No one knows Jack and Lily like DM and their mom.
Kids can certainly surprise you but iirc, they weren't allowed to play outside even in the back yard of the compound, without someone being there ?
It sounds like just grandma M. and a brother of DM lived in a camper on the property -- was there anyone else living there -- even temporarily -- in a different camper or whatever ?
Asking for a reason.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

We never cross the road. We have cabins we built up in the woods, and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them,” he says. …"

This quote stuck out to me for multiple reasons the first time I heard it. My opinion.

They own other property ?
And have more than one house/cabin built on that real estate ?
Maybe DM thought the kids had walked up there.
Just asking.
Imo.

 

[iamafiusny]

Agreed.
It sounds like both little kids were fairly stay-at-home ?
No one knows Jack and Lily like DM and their mom.
Kids can certainly surprise you but iirc, they weren't allowed to play outside even in the back yard of the compound, without someone being there ?
It sounds like just grandma M. and a brother of DM lived in a camper on the property -- was there anyone else living there -- even temporarily -- in a different camper or whatever ?
Asking for a reason.
Imo.

I don't think there's been mention yet of anyone else living there.

And with mom saying they were not allowed out alone, and dad saying they never cross the road or go far into the woods I really don't understand the decisions they made that morning.

My first thought would be grandma's trailer, not culverts.

I know it's all well and good to say what you would do when you're not experiencing the terror of missing children, but I have been in heart pounding emergencies before and am still able to think. You don't lose all abilities and with 4 adults on the property someone should have been capable of coming up with a logical plan.

And they all could have worked together. Gma calling 911, uncle checking neighbors, dad driving bus route etc.

The morning doesn't make any sense to me starting with no one even seeing the 4 year-old at all.

Moo

 

[Andromeda]

I wonder why his first decision was to jump on atv and search culverts etc if they never go into the woods or cross the road.

Moo

DM did qualify going into the woods “on their own”. So they were in the woods with a grown-up.

ATV- I have no idea how far those cabins are from the home proper. Maybe he thought getting there via ATV would be much faster. Maybe that’s how they always arrived there.

It sounds like he cut himself off at, “and that’s where” (…usually, how far we take them).

That’s where, what? I think the answer to that would be what sort of cabins (plural) they are. It would also answer how “far” from the home proper their location would be, for safety reasons.

jmo/moo

‘The house is just silent’: Stepdad speaks out as exhaustive search for missing N.S. children enters fifth day

 

[aggiekel2005]

We never cross the road. We have cabins we built up in the woods, and that’s where, usually, as far as we take them,” he says. …"

This quote stuck out to me for multiple reasons the first time I heard it. My opinion.

This stands out to me too.. and I hope that LE has searched beyond the location of the cabins in the woods.

 

[iamafiusny]

They own other property ?
And have more than one house/cabin built on that real estate ?
Maybe DM thought the kids had walked up there.
Just asking.
Imo.

He did state he's given police access to "everything I own" so I took that to mean the property and trailer, but I'm not certain.

Why didn't he check cabins first if they play there sometimes?

Moo

 

[Skigh]

I think maybe they meant it would be helpful to know what they were wearing in the incredibly rare chance someone took them and a member of the public spotted them at a restaurant or convenience store ?
Odds are against someone taking them esp. with other members of the extended family living there; but you just never know.
I wish this could have a happy ending, somehow.
Jack and Lily are adorable kids.
Omo.

It would be good to know if either /both children were wearing coats. That would be an easy thing to be checked.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

They own other property ?
And have more than one house/cabin built on that real estate ?
Maybe DM thought the kids had walked up there.
Just asking.
Imo.

I assume by "cabins," he doesn't mean a literal cabin/property. Maybe a smaller structure? But for what purpose IDK. Opinion only.

 

[Allabouttrial]

My first thought would be grandma's trailer, not culverts.

SBM

From mum's interview

"we're looking outside, we're looking everywhere yelling for them".

We have no clue that they didn't go to grandma's.

 

[Chimera]

I assume by "cabins," he doesn't mean a literal cabin/property. Maybe a smaller structure? But for what purpose IDK. Opinion only.

Some people build a small 'tree house' or whatever in the woods, so yes, you're prolly right.
IF it's within walking distance, LE need to go and have a look.
Just an idea.
Imo.

 

[CityKid]

So because it's more common we should just think Stepdad is guilty?

I don't think anyone here has stated that. DM and MBM reported two of her children missing, and MOO it's natural for them to fall under scrutiny first as the last people to have seen the children. Per this document from the U.S. DOJ, "Most often, child abductions are committed by family members who are seeking to interfere with a parent's custodial rights."

https://www.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh241/files/media/document/170022.pdf