Found Deceased Canada - Justin Evans, 22, Gravenhurst, Ont, 12 Dec 2020

[branmuffin]

Thanks @Puzzles , I totally missed that newest LE release! Police seem very confident with their statements; I am very curious about what they know, and what is leading their confidence. Maybe someone has spilled the beans and further charges, as CpntCari suggested, are pending.
Quick question, though; under what scenario could Justin have died accidentally/naturally/self inflicted and this roommates grandfather could still be charged with obstruction of justice? If this was totally innocent in nature, why would obstruction of justice be taking place?

Years ago, a young man was shot to death in a home near Orillia. If my memory serves me, the home owner and a couple of young males were in the garage shooting a rifle. One of the kids took the rifle and shot into the garage wall. Unbeknownst to the him, he shot right into the living room and right through the back of a young man sitting on a couch. The homeowner was charged but of a lesser charge like unsafe use of a weapon.

Something happened in that shed but what?

 

[branmuffin]

This article is so tragic. I don’t believe that he committed suicide. I believe the family should hire a private investigator to get down to the bottom of this.

The article stated that he had purchased Christmas presents and had future plans. That doesn’t make sense right? Or maybe it does...I don’t know.

The more you read about suicide the more you realize there are no 'rules'. People go and pick up their dry cleaning, make a dinner date with a friend then hang themselves. They appear chipper and happy and people are glad they seem to have weathered the storm of depression only to find out the happiness came about because they were resolute in their plan to kill themselves. Most suicides don't leave notes for their family; they end their lives leaving family members mired in guilt, denial, turmoil and grief. A son may die in a motor vehicle accident but chances are a parent won't spend the rest of their life asking "Why?" The grief of a death by suicide is unique to surviving family members.

 

[Miigo]

Suicide!? What the heck!! While I agree there are no rules when it comes to suicide, I have a hard time believing Justin fatally injured himself in the shed, losing enough blood that investigators were able to determine he was dead, walk 500m into the forest without leaving a trail of blood, text his mom the next day, hide himself so well that k9 and search teams couldn’t locate him, decompose for 5 months but still leave evidence that he did this all himself.... nope I don’t buy it. Where’s the weapon and phone?

 

[Bogyo13]

What happened in that shed?! There was enough blood and evidence there that LE was confident that Justin was not alive.
Even if it was an accident or suicide, where is his phone? Why the suspicious changes in the story of the people who he lived with?

I just don't see suicide in this case, unless LE has a lot more evidence than what we know of.
All moo

 

[bombardier]

Suicide!? What the heck!! While I agree there are no rules when it comes to suicide, I have a hard time believing Justin fatally injured himself in the shed, losing enough blood that investigators were able to determine he was dead, walk 500m into the forest without leaving a trail of blood, text his mom the next day, hide himself so well that k9 and search teams couldn’t locate him, decompose for 5 months but still leave evidence that he did this all himself.... nope I don’t buy it. Where’s the weapon and phone?

100% agree - what could the decided COD be that makes this makes sense??? what "method" are they thinking Justin executed that led to such a weird scene?? I also want to add that giving oneself a fatal cut (i.e. slitting ones wrists) is not a common suicide method among men due to how painful and drawn out it is. also, yea...if he had lost an amount of blood, the flow was able to be stopped (no drips), and he was able to walk...that would not be a fatal injury. if he had lost so much blood that the flow stopped on its own, I highly HIGHLY doubt he could walk even 500m, I think we would have passed in the shed.
on one positive note, if LE does indeed go with this shaky conclusion of no foul play in this death, they can't ignore the cover-up and criminal interference of whoever sent that text the day after he died. If NO charges whatsoever come out of this I'll be surprised.

 

[Miigo]

Has LE said anything about the amount of blood in the shed? Or is that just SM rumours that somehow made it to websleuths via this Linda lady’s YouTube videos?

 

[Puzzles]

Has LE said anything about the amount of blood in the shed? Or is that just SM rumours that somehow made it to websleuths via this Linda lady’s YouTube videos?

This is an a valuable question, Miigo, and I hope someone provides us with a definitive answer.

I don't recall LE stating there was blood in the shed, nor that the amount was consistent with loss of life.

If there was blood in the shed, I don't believe it's been verified as Justin's.

 

[Skillz]

Has LE said anything about the amount of blood in the shed? Or is that just SM rumours that somehow made it to websleuths via this Linda lady’s YouTube videos?

I don’t believe law enforcement had ever mentioned the blood. They described the shed as ‘being in disarray’ and stated multiple items were sent for forensic processing.

I heard Justin’s sister say there was a lot of blood when she was interviewed by Linda (it’s a crime). She said there was so much blood and she wished she hadn’t ever looked in the shed because it’s all she can see now.

 

[Puzzles]

An addendum to my post above:

I should have written, "I don't believe we've been told it's been verified as Justin's.

 

[bombardier]

I don’t believe law enforcement had ever mentioned the blood. They described the shed as ‘being in disarray’ and stated multiple items were sent for forensic processing.

I heard Justin’s sister say there was a lot of blood when she was interviewed by Linda (it’s a crime). She said there was so much blood and she wished she hadn’t ever looked in the shed because it’s all she can see now.

here is the timestamp of when Justin's sister mentioned the blood in the shed. In this context, Glenna McKinney (Bud's grandmother?) called Justin's mother, and the mother immediately told his sister.
Important to note that Kristen, poor thing, saw it first hand- obviously she's scarred and didn't want to talk in depth but it's obvious she saw blood. I can't validate how much blood it actually was (i.e. was it a fatal amount?) but it was enough to really scare her. Picture proof of the blood exists - Bud took a photo and shared it, and it eventually reached back around to the family.
So yes, it we are to believe Kristen (and I don't see why she would purposefully lie), there was some amount of blood in the shed, enough to frighten her.

 

[Miigo]

I can’t find anything in MSM about the blood. If we go back, and listen to only what has come from LE and MSM, then suicide makes sense, IMO

I don’t remember what I did one month ago, and I’m sure that if I had some YouTuber picking apart my every word, I would try to defend myself also. Bud and Kiara are very young, they don’t have anyone advising them they don’t owe Linda any answers, and honestly, I don’t find it all that odd that there are half hour discrepancies in their timeline, nor do I find it that odd that Justin didn’t call in to work on the Thursday, miss the party Friday, answer his moms text Saturday, and take his own life shortly after. I will chose to believe LE at this point, over some random youtuber who has no connection to these people, besides trying to push her own narrative for clicks and views.

LE aren’t going to tell the family and public this was a suicide if there was any evidence of murder. My guess is that when Justin’s body was found, so was his phone, and so was whatever was used to take his own life. Whatever was on that phone, or found with his body, was enough for LE/ME to confidently rule this a suicide. The only person charged with anything at this point was Kenneth, for obstruction of justice. His son was being accused of murdering his best friend!

Now the rumours of Justin being gay have also made their way to websleuths, again, by this Linda lady. Let’s assume for a moment this is true. Lucas was said to have committed suicide weeks after Justin’s disappearance, and according to Linda, LE said the deaths could be connected. This makes a lot more sense, IMO, than bud and his girlfriend murdering his best friend, leaving the shed full of blood and in disarray, dragging his body a couple of blocks away, texting Justin’s mom the next day, and stealing his sunglasses.

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[Miigo]

here is the timestamp of when Justin's sister mentioned the blood in the shed. In this context, Glenna McKinney (Bud's grandmother?) called Justin's mother, and the mother immediately told his sister.
Important to note that Kristen, poor thing, saw it first hand- obviously she's scarred and didn't want to talk in depth but it's obvious she saw blood. I can't validate how much blood it actually was (i.e. was it a fatal amount?) but it was enough to really scare her. Picture proof of the blood exists - Bud took a photo and shared it, and it eventually reached back around to the family.
So yes, it we are to believe Kristen (and I don't see why she would purposefully lie), there was some amount of blood in the shed, enough to frighten her.

My sister faints at the sight of her own blood on a maxi pad (sorry for tmi, just trying to prove a point) people react differently to the sight of blood and I can completely understand the family being frightened at the sight of blood in the shed and Justin being missing. My point is that this info about the blood didn’t come from LE. It came from the family and has been grossly exaggerated by some random YouTuber and should have never made it to websleuths. This family is in denial (understandably) and want someone to blame. I get that. But, if it were truly a fatal amount of blood as Linda is trying to push, there’s no way this would be ruled a suicide

 

[bombardier]

It hasn't been ruled a suicide, at least not yet. And I don't blame people for listening to the family, when LE does not release information, it's the only option. I personally commend the family for being so open and sharing their knowledge so freely in an attempt to get justice for their son. And I'm inclined to listen.

 

[Spedgrl06]

It was Kiara who said there was so much blood in the shed that the police said “no one could have survived”. She gave an interview (it’s up on YouTube) and was asked why she keeps talking about Justin as if he were dead and she said it was obvious he was from the condition of the shed.

Linda isn’t pushing the narrative that Justin is gay, Bud and Kiara accused him of being gay on Facebook the other day. They claim this is why he killed him self and “are relieved and comforted” to know it was suicide

 

[AnalysisMonster]

A new video

 

[Skillz]

here is the timestamp of when Justin's sister mentioned the blood in the shed. In this context, Glenna McKinney (Bud's grandmother?) called Justin's mother, and the mother immediately told his sister.
Important to note that Kristen, poor thing, saw it first hand- obviously she's scarred and didn't want to talk in depth but it's obvious she saw blood. I can't validate how much blood it actually was (i.e. was it a fatal amount?) but it was enough to really scare her. Picture proof of the blood exists - Bud took a photo and shared it, and it eventually reached back around to the family.
So yes, it we are to believe Kristen (and I don't see why she would purposefully lie), there was some amount of blood in the shed, enough to frighten her.

I also wanted to reference the time stamp in which the sister mentions opening the door to the shed herself. It is at 1:43:00.

 

[AnalysisMonster]

This is an a valuable question, Miigo, and I hope someone provides us with a definitive answer.

I don't recall LE stating there was blood in the shed, nor that the amount was consistent with loss of life.

If there was blood in the shed, I don't believe it's been verified as Justin's.

I believe I read in an article previously posted that LE did not expect him to return alive but hoped to bring his remains home.
There is this statement in more recent article:

"Evidence located in a shed beside Evans’ home led police to inform the family it was likely Evans was dead. Wise remembers feeling angry but telling herself to have faith in police."

And the article itself does a good job of pointing you back through older ones.

 

[Puzzles]

I believe I read in an article previously posted that LE did not expect him to return alive but hoped to bring his remains home.
There is this statement in more recent article:

"Evidence located in a shed beside Evans’ home led police to inform the family it was likely Evans was dead. Wise remembers feeling angry but telling herself to have faith in police."

And the article itself does a good job of pointing you back through older ones.

Ah, thank you @AnalysisMonster.

Although in this article Jamie Wise tells us police believed Justin was dead from their viewing of the state of the shed, I don't recall seeing an actual statement by LE to verify this, nor a statement from them that analysis of the blood found in the shed proved it was Justin's.

On June 1st:
Det. Insp. Matt Watson of the OPP Criminal Investigation Branch stated,
“...We don’t think at this point that he was murdered,” he explained...
The case is now considered “an ongoing death investigation,” he said.
(bbm)

and in another publication, on June 2nd, Det. Watson states

"...Police said they don't believe Evans met with foul play...

"We have not come to a final conclusion yet, but we are conducting a death investigation on behalf of the coroner," Det. Matt Watson said.

If LE "don't think at this point" Justin was murdered, do they consider with further investigation they'll conclude he was indeed murdered?

Then on June 3rd:
'Police are working with the coroner and forensic services to determine the cause of Evans’s death.

“We have not come to a final conclusion,” Watson said, adding it’s not known how long that process will take.
Watson offered his condolences to Evans’s family.
When the cause of death is determined, it might not be made public through a news release, Watson said, adding it’s not common practice to do so now that the death has been deemed to be not criminal in nature.
“It’s been a very complex and difficult investigation,” he said. “They have been through excruciating emotional pain.”

It's not clear to me if the June 3rd statement "the death has been deemed to be not criminal in nature" is a more recent statement than when Det. Watson said "we don't think at this point Justin was murdered", but the word "deemed" would have me believe LE has now determined conclusively Justin's death was not criminal in nature.

Perhaps the statements were made at the same time, even though they appear to be inconsistent, IMO, or the discrepancies in them are from inaccurate reporting.

But, who knows...

All I've read about what allegedly transpired both before and after Justin disappeared renders the whole case inexplicable, to me.

And I'm just a curious outsider. If Justin's loved ones can sleep, I can't imagine the agony to wake each morning and have the horrors they experience flood in to their consciousness, once again.

Prayers for solace for Justin's family.

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[Woodland]

I can’t find anything in MSM about the blood. If we go back, and listen to only what has come from LE and MSM, then suicide makes sense, IMO

I don’t remember what I did one month ago, and I’m sure that if I had some YouTuber picking apart my every word, I would try to defend myself also. Bud and Kiara are very young, they don’t have anyone advising them they don’t owe Linda any answers, and honestly, I don’t find it all that odd that there are half hour discrepancies in their timeline, nor do I find it that odd that Justin didn’t call in to work on the Thursday, miss the party Friday, answer his moms text Saturday, and take his own life shortly after. I will chose to believe LE at this point, over some random youtuber who has no connection to these people, besides trying to push her own narrative for clicks and views.

LE aren’t going to tell the family and public this was a suicide if there was any evidence of murder. My guess is that when Justin’s body was found, so was his phone, and so was whatever was used to take his own life. Whatever was on that phone, or found with his body, was enough for LE/ME to confidently rule this a suicide. The only person charged with anything at this point was Kenneth, for obstruction of justice. His son was being accused of murdering his best friend!

Now the rumours of Justin being gay have also made their way to websleuths, again, by this Linda lady. Let’s assume for a moment this is true. Lucas was said to have committed suicide weeks after Justin’s disappearance, and according to Linda, LE said the deaths could be connected. This makes a lot more sense, IMO, than bud and his girlfriend murdering his best friend, leaving the shed full of blood and in disarray, dragging his body a couple of blocks away, texting Justin’s mom the next day, and stealing his sunglasses.


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BBM - the only problem, in my opinion, with believing every word/conclusion LE has on a case is partly due to these cases -

- Barry and Honey Sherman - deemed to be a murder/suicide. Now it isn't.
- 50 women went missing from Vancouver's eastside and initially LE deemed that to be a coincidence. Now it isn't.
- 6 men went missing from the same area of Toronto and LE deemed that there was nothing to connect them. Now there is and the body count was 8.
- DM was deemed by LE to be a rich kid that would not have a motive to kill his father and sometimes gf. DM is serving 2 consecutive life terms for those murders as well as a third.

Not that this case has anything to do with multiple/serial murders, only that LE's perception was wrong - regarding 63 people as per above list. LE can be wrong in any city at any time. 'They' don't always see what others see as a potential hole in the evidence. 'They' don't always take lessons from previous cases, and if 'they' choose not to release more of what they know about a case that has holes in the evidence, then 'they' will be criticized and questioned about it. The public has a job to see that they are getting what they pay for in the form of LE.

That's partly why people post on WS - to cover the details/evidence and try to make sense of a case.

Fwiw, following this case even though I don't have a connection to the family as I can't make sense of how Justin got to where he was found either. There needs to be a reason and my heart goes out to the family for not getting the simple answers needed for them to carry on.

All jmo.

 

[Puzzles]

@Woodland, this is an enlightening summary of recent erroneous conclusions reached and publicized by LE.