Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #1

[Oceanbreeze]

I don't know if i missed this or not, but does it say what time the husband usually leaves for work? Also who usually takes the little one to day care or the sitters?

 

[Jess]

Jodieo

We are all speculating. After the Peterson and Hacking cases, our imaginations run rampant !! We look for things ( like looking towards the left and down ) because these things were repeated over and over. Do they mean anything in this case ? Who knows ?
IF the SUV was indeed in the baseball field, then we do have a problem with the timeline. I, too, have thought of domestic abuse. But then I have also thought that our 'serial killer" may have changed his mo.

 

[blueclouds]

HOW INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess who's NOT talking to the media NOW AND having his FAMILY speak for him because he's TOO UPSET?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND AND AND HER VEHICLE has been seen by many witnesses PRIOR TO THE TIME HE STATES she left for work at 6:15 am. Many witnesses put her vehicle there some time in the middle of the night. Gee, what does this sound like?

 

[mysteriew]

I don't know if i missed this or not, but does it say what time the husband usually leaves for work? Also who usually takes the little one to day care or the sitters?

Good questions, esp. about who takes the baby to the sitters.

 

[blueclouds]

I( Only a missing person case so far, no need to check the house for evidence as of yet?
Just a theory- maybe I am watching too many forensic file shows where this turns out to be the case.

Actually from reports, his house was searched quite thoroughly the first day she was missing.

 

[babydust2004]

This may seem strange but I did notice a connection in at least some of the circumstances.Nancy Lewis who lives in Alabama also worked at a hospital and was on her way to work in the early morning and disappeared.But being that the areas are so many miles apart may not be and they are lots of differences such as age,race,pregnant-nonpregnant,but it still seems a little strange that 2 missing women both worked at hospitals and disappeared sort of the same way.Just makes me wonder.

 

[nightowl]

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Nope. Edmonton is not like that. If the door was left open and it was dusk, a lot of people would have noticed and any wallet prowlers would have been noticed and deterred ... didn't happen ... no one was prowling around this remote area and scammed her wallet between her being abducted and the police being notified. I can say that for sure.

I can imagine the driver, like what happened in California with Carol Sundringham (sp?) and the two teenagers, where the guy threw the identification out the window in a town in the wrong direction of where he took them. The ID toss seems to be random and deliberate at the same time, but not something that Liana would do. She would never have let go of her cell phone unless it wasn't an option either.

No kidding. He's about the same age as Mark Hacking. He's bald like Mark Hacking. His wife's car was found close to home and she is missing just like Mark Hacking. After that, pretty much everything is different. Mike White did not report the disappearance, he was not out buying a new mattress in the hour after his wife was discovered missing, he's not a sociopath, there is no confusion about his and Liana's future plans, he and his wife live in a very stable family oriented neighbourhood with their toddler and Liana is currently 4 months pregnant ... everything points to a random act of violence and any association with Mark Hacking ... well ... how many bald 30 year olds do we see every day walking down the street? So her husband was bald and fat ... just like Mark Hacking. Does that make him guilty? Nope. He may have looked down and to the left when he started crying at the last second of the interview, but he wasn't looking down and to the left during the interview - he was not like Scott Peterson in any way.

I think this is a bad situation that is not over yet. The reason the questioning started with Mike and her co-worders is because the police are trying to determine if she was seeing someone on the side, meeting someone in the parking lot.

Hmmm -- so maybe another guy who she is involved with was in a different SUV and was waiting for her in the parking lot (thus sightings of an SUV earlier than 6:00 a.m.) She left for work at 6:15 a.m. and met this guy....and together they staged an abduction before running off together?

 

[blueclouds]

This may seem strange but I did notice a connection in at least some of the circumstances.Nancy Lewis who lives in Alabama also worked at a hospital and was on her way to work in the early morning and disappeared.But being that the areas are so many miles apart may not be and they are lots of differences such as age,race,pregnant-nonpregnant,but it still seems a little strange that 2 missing women both worked at hospitals and disappeared sort of the same way.Just makes me wonder.

That would be a big leap as Edmonton is thousands of miles from Alabama BUT IMO, anything is possible and looking outside the box is a good thing.

 

[Jess]

HOW INTERESTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guess who's NOT talking to the media NOW AND having his FAMILY speak for him because he's TOO UPSET?????!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND AND AND HER VEHICLE has been seen by many witnesses PRIOR TO THE TIME HE STATES she left for work at 6:15 am. Many witnesses put her vehicle there some time in the middle of the night. Gee, what does this sound like?

blueclouds----- was this on the radio ? which station ? I haven't heard anything since the tvnews this am.

tia

 

[nightowl]

Well -- I hadn't read through the entire thread before my last post.

It sounds like at least one witness is pretty sure they saw Lianna's "abandoned vehicle" prior to 6:00 a.m. -- Lianna's vehicle not a different SUV -- which would discount the idea that it was someone else waiting for her to meet him.

 

[blueclouds]

blueclouds----- was this on the radio ? which station ? I haven't heard anything since the tvnews this am.

tia

Listening to some news, picking up on little tidbits from Achannel and Global &
I just read this in our morning Sun...
http://edmsun.canoe.ca/News/Edmonton/2005/07/15/1132686-sun.html


"Police said Michael White reported last seeing her at 6:15 a.m. when she left for work at the Royal Alexandra Hospital, but other reports have put her truck at the scene as early as the night before, Ewatski said. "..........

"Liana's husband, Michael White, didn't speak to the media today, but his brother Bryan, a Brantford, Ont., firefighter/paramedic, made an impassioned plea for help yesterday.

Flanked by his wife Amanda and mother, Carol Forbes, Bryan White asked firefighters, paramedics, members of the Armed Forces and even farmers to help winkle out tips. "

 

[nightowl]

About having a second child....for many people it is much more stressful to have 2 very young children than having just 1. Also the financial burden more than doubles, especially if there is childcare. Where I live, quality full-time childcare for one toddler will run about $450-$500 a month. But full-time childcare for an infant and a toddler will run $1200-$1600 a month. Even "lower quality" childcare will run a minimum of $1000 a month or more for an infant and a toddler.

I don't know what the rates are like in Canada (maybe they even have a government supported system), but I disagree with the idea that the second child would be no big deal.

 

[Jess]

Thanks. My configuration won't allow me to cut and paste here, but the Edmonton Journal has a new blurb, saying even another person's fingerprint would be a clue.

 

[FacTink]

Hi Otto,

You wrote:
>>I"m 5'9" and 140 pounds<<

With all due respect... I think that your considerations of "dumpling" woman is probably a little contorted, perhaps because of your own personal body weight/size. I'm not sure that judging the size of others based on your size is a very good qualifier.

My husband is 5'10.5" (i.e. just a little taller than you) and currently weighs 145 due to extreme heart problems. His skin is wrapped around his clavicle in an almost skeletal fashion, he has practically no rearend at all, he is quite gaunt looking i.e. it is upsetting to look at him at this particular weight because he looks like someone who is quite ill...and in fact, he is. His better weight is 170.

If you are 5'9 and 140 pounds, depending upon your race and age, according to the following you are somewhere in the 5%...to approx. 20% of all men of all races/ages (with 20% being quite high, depending upon your age and race.)

http://www.halls.md/chart/men-weight-w.htm

When I was 130 pounds and nothing more than bone and muscle, I had a detective guess my weight at 115. Looks and weights are deceiving.

As per 2nd children being a possible cause of stress, marital issues...
I was 20, and found myself pregnant (despite an IUD) with our 2nd child. My husband and myself had been severely depriving ourselves in order to save for 2 years AND so that we could move away to a college town where he could finish his degree (HIS heart's desire, and I wanted it for him.) The new baby would come 2 months after our planned moved and the beginning of my husband's University year. You don't think that the announcement of this pregnancy was stressful? It almost ended our marriage. Fortunately, we could see beyond challenges, my husband wasn't a weirdo or violent, and both moved beyond this. It did cause MAJOR challenges though, until we could get a grip.

FT

 

[newtv]

In Canada, they don't do media hype news conferences but if you watch the news at 6, all the information if available.

Here's the latest news conference info:

"Twenty-nine-year-old Liana White, pregnant with her second child, has been missing since Tuesday morning.

Acting Inspector Jamie Ewatski says police have found no evidence of foul play and are still treating it as a missing person case.

White's SUV was found abandoned not far from her home, but all her belongings, including bank cards and credits, have apparently been accounted for.

There have been conflicting reports from witnesses about when White's vehicle was first spotted.

Ewatski says investigators are checking all accounts thoroughly in order to get an accurate timeline around her disappearance."

(doesn't sound good for the husband)

otto-your posts make you out to sound like a know it all not a canadian..
Canadians are not one thing or another-we treat things the way others treat things-some cases rise to the top- others do not..I am not attacking you-I am giving you feedback as to how you are high jacking this thread with stuff that you dont have any more clue about then the rest of us.
We have no information on what the husband did after or before she went missing. We have no information as to what the police are really thinking and doing.
The timeline would make anyone wonder and thats where the first inconsistency is found. To speak of this case as you are makes you sound like you really dont have a balanced or realistic handle on it.

You havent a clue what happened-and until things unravel a bit more I dont know why you assume so much authority on what happened.
The husband is 99 percent likely to be the culprit-that is what i will go on until otherwise convinced.
Of course he wouldnt report her missing-she was on her way to work- why would he call police if he was staging her disappearance..he isnt supposed to know about it..therefore a worker would have to be alarmed or a passer by..thats the whole point of staging it this way..
I just dont agree with the way you are sounding off here as if you are the only one who knows anything-and the only canadian in the world.
Personally, I dont like being grouped with you on this..so please just speak for yourself.
Then you cant be faulted-dont speak as if I am an appendage to you- I have my own way of being a canadian.
I dont think 150 pounds at 5.4 is that out of the range for a pregnant woman- 190 is. But I know women my height 5.5 who are 140 and not preganant and not fat beyond recognition..so I dont think u should be so fast to assume she is way over the top fat at 150.
If you are 5.9 and 140 pounds then u need to start eating-thats not heavy enough especially if u are a man ..what bone type do u have?
I mean there is more to fat than height and weight..god-I am shaking my head at your insensitivity and responding in kind.

 

[*02]

I have chosen to ignore the height , weight issue in this all, it seems to just get all of us off of the topic at hand- a missing pregnant woman- who cares what she weighs- it is irrelevant. Is there an unwritten rule that we only care if you're missing and skinny? I care about the fact that there are 2 lives at stake here.

Back to the topic- I must have overlooked the post with the search of the house- I apologize- did the police find anything when they searched the house? What about the speculation of another man?
I honestly hope that the husband wasn't involved but it seems a little weird- I just can't shake the feeling that all of it is tied together with him in the middle.

 

[newtv]

Another reason I look toward the husband is that the crime scene seems staged in so far as it is chaotic..thats a typical sign looked for with a profiler- a staged scene by a first time killer in a domestic dispute would be chaotic-as the person is not practiced so plays it out as if its what it should look like..when in fact, I cant see the connection between any of the strewn stuff and her disappearance- no sign of a struggle leaving shoe prints or drag prints yet the stuff is all over..the cell phone thrown in the grass etc..I mean why not leave it all in the car if she was stopped and taken from her car..and why would she be stopping on the side of the road -why not make a call if someone was trying to run her off the road, etc.
There was a timeline from when she was allegedly driving to when she would have been overpowered-now if I have a cell phone and think someone is trying to overpower my car, I am going to call 911 so fast-or my husband etc..there should have been a message-or a partial message saying someone was following her. (If someone flagged her down and she had a cell phone - she could have called for help and kept going..she did not have to stop).
A staged crime scene is the very first sign of a husbands involvement in my opinion.

 

[newtv]

And we wouldn't change you for anything! :blowkiss:

:blowkiss: right back atcha sweetheart..)
love reading your posts.

 

[newtv]

Jodieo

We are all speculating. After the Peterson and Hacking cases, our imaginations run rampant !! We look for things ( like looking towards the left and down ) because these things were repeated over and over. Do they mean anything in this case ? Who knows ?
IF the SUV was indeed in the baseball field, then we do have a problem with the timeline. I, too, have thought of domestic abuse. But then I have also thought that our 'serial killer" may have changed his mo.

jess- u dont have to participate if its that difficult for you-the whole point of it here is to think things through..if its troublesome for you to participate then by all means head somewhere else..there are lots of other types of forums where speculating on crime isnt the theme..
I dont care if you dont think its a big deal but please just stop assuming your position is THE position..do not speak for the news teams following the case..you have no idea who is following the case and when they will report.
They dont have a crime yet and they are doing what we all are doing-waiting to see how it unfolds.
This board is to share ideas on what we think may have happened. The fact that other cases sound errily like current cases is par for course..domestic violence and murder is pretty much the same across the board.. What scott pretenderson and mark hacking did is what most men who kill their wives do-and if this husband is involved he will be no different.
The best thing an innocent husband can do is let all the possibilities be exhausted so he can be ruled out. If they cant rule him out then we have every reason to speculate on how he might be involved.
I will never understand why people read these boards when they dont have any respect for the process of speculation..no one is askign you to read..thats your choice.
The extreme postion that this is a case that wont get any media attention and that the husband is unfairly being attacked is as bad as determining it is him or that the case will become the media event of the century..just stick to the middle road-the truth will unfold on its own.

added- and serial killers dont change their MO's-there is a reason they are serial killers-they are doing it in a way that works..there is a signature way they do things-they dont just switch one day to a differnt MO..the only way we catch these guys is by their signature way of killing.
I just think this is the place to speculate and we dont have to be right or wrong-just get out of the way so we can be ourselves-thats when creativity happens.

 

[Jess]

I've heard that the early morning hours are dangerous, don't remember where. 5 a.m., it's still pretty dark even with daylight savings time. Sunrise is at about 5:20 although the sun isn't really up yet for another hour.


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It is LIGHT at this time of year at 5 am!! I can read a book without a light on, people are out walking and jogging. Heavens ! I've even been out weeding at that hour ! There is no way one could say that it is still pretty dark at this time of year in Edmonton.