Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #2

[spygirl]

:laugh:

Sounds to me like he is just a big dumb slob....

 

[lauriej]

Canada had a vote, I think it was back in the 60's, and decided to abolish the death penalty. Most civilized countries don't have the death penalty. The 'civilized' part means that we hope people can be rehabilitated.

..........oh..ok..in the 60's ??

...no wonder i didn't remember ever being in on this vote...

...i wonder what would happen if we held a new and improved 2005 vote ?...

...i can remain "civilized" and hear of a convicted killer put to death at the same time...

 

[Jess]

Does anyone remember ANY of Liana's co workers talking to the media ? I remember a new mom saying something, but no one else. The neighbours were just that - neighbours -- not close friends. You think the close friends and co -workers had something to tell police and then kept quiet ? Perhaps Liana had confided in people even though to the neighbours she was seemingly happy ?

 

[otto]

..........oh..ok..in the 60's ??

...no wonder i didn't remember ever being in on this vote...

...i wonder what would happen if we held a new and improved 2005 vote ?...

...i can remain "civilized" and hear of a convicted killer put to death at the same time...

I think Canada would need a good reason to re-introduce the death penalty and if Paul Bernardo wasn't a good enough reason, we'll never have a good reason. Also, keep in mind that most westernized countries have abolished the death penalty. There is no evidence that it is a deterant and as punishment, it is cruel. It makes us like them and I don't think Canadians want to be like murderers.

 

[newtv]

I actually don't want this to turn into a big politcal discussion like the Aruban madhouse, but since there's nothing much else to discuss for now....

I was never real pro-DP. I would have been happy with LWOP for SP. But then, with our system, on appeal he would probably end up with (God forbid) life with the possibility of parole. And to me, that is unacceptable.

I kind of look at the DP as though two wrongs don't make it right. I surely wouldn't want to be the one to push the drugs or pull the switch.... because murder is murder. And who knows what/who we will have to answer to in the end. I don't like to think about putting my own soul at stake for someone the likes of these monsters.

I am kinda in that place too about the DP-and its no secret most get out in canada unless considered a dangerous offender but thats not more than 10 percent lets say..most people do not die in jail (I am sure its canada's way of not having to look after the aged)..but seriously I would not want scott out on the streets ever..so If faced with that I can see why..I just dont think I would want to be in the place to have to be involved-its just too much to live with even if they deserve it. I dont want anyone dying at my hands type thing not for them so much but for me- I am just too sensitive to the human condition- I cant survive alot of evil. Even killing it means I have to be around it. in that context.
But its not something i would argue with anyone about either..if people are for it I am not troubled - if they are against it I can relate. I am glad we are a nation known for its tolerance but there are areas where that isnt good-but we feel that to live with the best of what tolerance brings to a culture, we are stuck with the repercussions of giving people the best of democracy.
However, if u ever get stuck in jail in canada I would hunch its because you are the worst of the worst..or a repeat offender who keeps getting long sentences..those people die in prison for sure.

 

[newtv]

Does anyone remember ANY of Liana's co workers talking to the media ? I remember a new mom saying something, but no one else. The neighbours were just that - neighbours -- not close friends. You think the close friends and co -workers had something to tell police and then kept quiet ? Perhaps Liana had confided in people even though to the neighbours she was seemingly happy ?

The neighbors seem to have thot they were a happy couple and are having a hard time belieiving its the husband and in fact one said she doesnt believe it.
I am a little surprised at the lack of people commenting but I am beginning to think we have learned something thru the peterson case about protecting the victim..the rocha camp said nothing and I think thats a good thing.

 

[Jess]

Otto
I thought the same thing-- burning of the body. Not to say that it happened, but would sure support the second charge. although I don't believe that any of the other bodies have been found to the northwest of the city- usually south or east.

 

[newtv]

..........oh..ok..in the 60's ??

...no wonder i didn't remember ever being in on this vote...

...i wonder what would happen if we held a new and improved 2005 vote ?...

...i can remain "civilized" and hear of a convicted killer put to death at the same time...

yes- I agree- its not for me to decide what civility is for another country or person.
I do see clearly the point of an eye for an eye..and I see clearly the point of view that killing the killer doesnt make anything better.
Though I am not sure anyone is worse off when guys like mcveigh and scott p are killed-no loss really - only to thse who love them but not society at large.

I dont think i would vote for it anytime in the future but if it came to be I wouldnt be an organizer against it on principle..I would only hope they did it with discernment.

 

[otto]

Otto
I thought the same thing-- burning of the body. Not to say that it happened, but would sure support the second charge. although I don't believe that any of the other bodies have been found to the northwest of the city- usually south or east.

The police always charge the bad guys with as much as they can and then negotiate down. An indignity is probably just that he put her out in the country, or at least I hope that's all he did. I agree, I think the other bodies were found as far south as Camrose and towards Sherwood Park. He didn't have much time if he had a 3 year old asleep so maybe it was most convenient to take her north and hope that people thought about the serial killer. I really thought he was innocent except that the police wouldn't not call it a criminal investigation.

 

[lauriej]

But you Canadians think WE are not nice to murderers and we should set them all free!

......now adnoid, you know we prefer "freindly neighbours to the north" ..as opposed to 'You Canadians'.

...personally......i think 'You Americans' were far too nice to this murderer...

 

[newtv]

Otto
I thought the same thing-- burning of the body. Not to say that it happened, but would sure support the second charge. although I don't believe that any of the other bodies have been found to the northwest of the city- usually south or east.

if thats the reason they cant tell us if its her then thats really horrific..its just the worst thing he could have done..you would have to wonder how they can do an autopsy on a burned body?
I think its really odd that they wont confirm whether its a woman or a man-like what is the issue??

 

[otto]

if thats the reason they cant tell us if its her then thats really horrific..its just the worst thing he could have done..you would have to wonder how they can do an autopsy on a burned body?
I think its really odd that they wont confirm whether its a woman or a man-like what is the issue??

That is odd. Usually when a body is found, there is a least some information about male or female. Maybe she was burned. But why did Mike lead everyone straight to her body? Or was he trying to have that area eliminated as a search area by keeping people close to Edmonton and some of the volunteers when further north.

 

[spygirl]

......now adnoid, you know we prefer "freindly neighbours to the north" ..as opposed to 'You Canadians'.

Lol Adnoid.... she gotcha there....

...personally......i think 'You Americans' were far too nice to this murderer...

Man. I just knew it would be HIM.

:slap:

 

[Bobbisangel]

on top of it the wife was drunk and cant remember anything about the evening..can u just see nancys eyes as she tells this to the listener..rofl

People who were around the couple the night that he disappeared said that they were both drinking a lot and that they were also doing a lot of fighting.
At one point the wife wandered over to another table and hung out there. The husband finally went over and said "why don't you come back here." The wife left alone and was hitting both sides of the wall as she left. One observer that was around them a lot that night has spoken at length to the police. It has been said that a lot of the people who observed the couple have come forward and are doing a lot of talking.

There was blood on the bed...a steward found it when he went in to clean the cabin. Then there was the blood on the awning below the deck outside their room. Something happened in that cabin...in that bed...before it happened on the deck. I say the wife was involved. May have been an accident but I'd bet that no one else was involved but the two of them. I still want to know how much life insurance he had and who gets it.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I wouldnt be surprised if somehow it turns out to be a crime of passion-and he did not mean to kill her but lost his mind for 5 minutes-panicked, etc.
He will likely say she told him the child was not his - I mean who knows..but they can disprove that by taking blood from the fetus and doing a paternity test I would think..so that wont work-but without a prior history of crime u can bet he will get a soft landing..
hope I am wrong tho..

added..
What I really like about this case is the family feeling on this thread..for me its noticeable-canada being smaller than the states and the majority of US folks not that intrigued by this case (from the small numbers of posters), but I feel like we are family here right now-and its been great to feel closer to my canadian friends because sometimes I feel like we get lost in the shuffle in a larger thread..and to bond a bit with the folks from other places that have shown an interest is really sweet too..it means something to me when others care about people missing from other countries.

Well I'm not from Canada but I am interested in this case. It doesn't matter to me where the crime takes place...a pregnant missing wife catches my attention. I was sure hoping that this wasn't a murder by anyone but especially the husband. I hope that we can get a seperate thread or whatever that is for this case and that we follow it through to the end.

One of the things that is unbelievable to me is this murderer went and spent Saturday night with his wife's parents!!!!!! That says a lot to me concerning what this guy is made of. Not holding up for Peterson...want to see him dead...but at least he couldn't look Sharon in the eyes at the park. This guy goes and spends the night with her parents. That just takes the cake. If he had a conscience he wouldn't have been able to do that.

 

[Casshew]

What I really like about this case is the family feeling on this thread..

but I feel like we are family here right now-and its been great to feel closer to my canadian friends because sometimes I feel like we get lost in the shuffle in a larger thread..

Group Hug

 

[Bobbisangel]

QUOTE]Indignity to a human body is nothing more than dumping her body.

Could this scenario, be offering an indignity to a body? since they could not identify the body, maybe Micheal White did some things to her after her death, so that she couldn't be identified right away ?
Gruesome thought, I know, but it happens.

Of course we still don't have confirmation that it was indeed Liana's body that was found. Or, she may have been identified on the scene and the police aren't telling us for some reason? Micheal white was taken into custody last night, so that makes me that it was her.

On the other side of the city, bones were found today by a person driving a bulldozer, he happened upon a blanket and decided to look under it, he found bones! no further details were offered, the bones are being tested to establish that they are human.

http://www.kare.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157[/QUOTE]


Seems like they arrested him after they went back into the home and did a more through search. They must have found something to tie him to the crime because the body wouldn't have told them anything thing yet. I think he murdered her at home and then disposed of her body with the vehicle and then drove it to the parking lot...threw her belongings around and then jogged home. I'll bet he thought he really had it made. Then he carrys on in the media and a day later he is so angry that things aren't happening fast enough that he decides to organize his own search. Doesn't he know that people see right through a phony? And a phony abduction from the vehicle!! I guess he found out....thank God.

 

[newtv]

Group Hug
http://www.casshew.com/2GroupHug.gif

that is adorable no way around it..too cute..

 

[spygirl]

Well I'm not from Canada but I am interested in this case. It doesn't matter to me where the crime takes place...a pregnant missing wife catches my attention. I was sure hoping that this wasn't a murder by anyone but especially the husband. I hope that we can get a seperate thread or whatever that is for this case and that we follow it through to the end.

I'm interested in it too, but the outcome seems predictable. I wouldn't be satisfied with the end result. I might get lost in the Sharon Acosta case; there's a little more to work with as far as penalties go. I just don't know how much interest it will garner.

This guy goes and spends the night with her parents. That just takes the cake. If he had a conscience he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Creepy, isn't it? I can't imagine what must be going through their minds.

 

[otto]

I'm interested in it too, but the outcome seems predictable. I wouldn't be satisfied with the end result. I might get lost in the Sharon Acosta case; there's a little more to work with as far as penalties go. I just don't know how much interest it will garner.

Creepy, isn't it? I can't imagine what must be going through their minds.

I'm wondering about his Scott Peterson remarks. Obviously many Canadians followed the case closely and read or post on boards related to the Peterson case. I wonder if his wife posted here.