Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #2

[newtv]

Then Mr. White should be declared, because his crime was intentional.

they save that status primarily for sex offenders actually - at least thats the examples I have of those imprisoned forever..like bernardo and olson and there are sex offenders who dont ever get out that are less known..

 

[spygirl]

It's been quite an education following this case.
I think that to truly be involved in any case, you really need posters who live in the area.

Yes, it has been an education, and very interesting, because I am very interested in learning about Canadian culture.

Thanks to all who provided so much info! It's all fascinating.

But I disagree with having to live in the area; murders happen all over the U.S., in places I have never seen, in states where laws differ.

What kind of detracts me from this case now though, is that Liana and her family will never get the justice they deserve, as in the Laci Peterson case. That's disappointing.

 

[newtv]

Too bad Mr. White didn't disappear off a cruise ship :twocents:

exactly..rofl- what a -killing a wife with child - to me its more dispicable than a wife without child.
I got in trouble once for bringing up nancy when she was jumping out of her seat at the run-away-bride story and timex politely scolded me-and it was then that i realized its smart to say the point of my post is about nancy and not the case..
timex did not want me giving runaway society girl anymore press (i agreed with her actually)..
But sometimes u gotta bring in a ocntext is all..
nancy is really sarcastic at times..only she can do it.

 

[newtv]

Yes, it has been an education, and very interesting, because I am very interested in learning about Canadian culture.

Thanks to all who provided so much info! It's all fascinating.

But I disagree with having to live in the area; murders happen all over the U.S., in places I have never seen, in states where laws differ.

What kind of detracts me from this case now though, is that Liana and her family will never get the justice they deserve, as in the Laci Peterson case. That's disappointing.

well its solved faster too- had scott not put her in the ocean and had he come clean he would likely be LWOP too..scott was more guilty by never leading them to the body-not that its much of a step up..and you are right..this guy will be lucky to serve 10 years if he happens to be a good prisoner.
Hard time is hard time but there is always a light at the end of the tunnell in canada..there is a good side to that and a bad-with domestic violence or any murder for that matter its bad.
I bet more people serve longer time for drug busts than murder..(I mean big time drug stuff)..but still...a life is a life.

 

[newtv]

well its solved faster too- had scott not put her in the ocean and had he come clean he would likely be LWOP too..scott was more guilty by never leading them to the body-not that its much of a step up..and you are right..this guy will be lucky to serve 10 years if he happens to be a good prisoner.
Hard time is hard time but there is always a light at the end of the tunnell in canada..there is a good side to that and a bad-with domestic violence or any murder for that matter its bad.
I bet more people serve longer time for drug busts than murder..(I mean big time drug stuff)..but still...a life is a life.

I wouldnt be surprised if somehow it turns out to be a crime of passion-and he did not mean to kill her but lost his mind for 5 minutes-panicked, etc.
He will likely say she told him the child was not his - I mean who knows..but they can disprove that by taking blood from the fetus and doing a paternity test I would think..so that wont work-but without a prior history of crime u can bet he will get a soft landing..
hope I am wrong tho..

added..
What I really like about this case is the family feeling on this thread..for me its noticeable-canada being smaller than the states and the majority of US folks not that intrigued by this case (from the small numbers of posters), but I feel like we are family here right now-and its been great to feel closer to my canadian friends because sometimes I feel like we get lost in the shuffle in a larger thread..and to bond a bit with the folks from other places that have shown an interest is really sweet too..it means something to me when others care about people missing from other countries.

 

[otto]

Then Mr. White should be declared, because his crime was intentional.

Dangerous offenders are people like Paul Bernardo and Clifford Olsen, people who have committed multiple crimes and there is little hope of rehabilitation. Prosecutors make a special application, independent of any particular crime, to have people designated as dangerous offenders.

 

[newtv]

But you Canadians think WE are not nice to murderers and we should set them all free!

Well I dont think they should be set free-not theones I have followed in our forum..I am not sure what is right for people but I am having less and less patince for killers and I have none left for sex crimes.
I am pretty ok with throwing away the key - I do have some confusion about the death penalty only because it becomes to some extent arbitrary (within the law)..and it is hard to know if the line is drawn in the right places..but then I look at bernardo and olson and wonder what purpose we have in paying to keep this monters alive..
Anyhow I know what you are referring to in this post- I am addressing it more personally because u are a good guy and I like to talk to u..lol
Not trying to start a debate about the DP-not at all- that would be the wrong interpretation here.
I think for the most part our justice systems work - there are always going to be pitfalls.

added..and I am not part of that group nor would i ever be. We all need to keep our own back yards clean and let each other tdo what we think is right as a counrty.

 

[spygirl]

What I really like about this case is the family feeling on this thread..for me its noticeable-canada being smaller than the states and the majority of US folks not that intrigued by this case (from the small numbers of posters), but I feel like we are family here right now-and its been great to feel closer to my canadian friends because sometimes I dont feel like we get lost in the shuffle in a larger thread..and to bond a bit with the folks from other places that have shown an interest is really sweet too..it means something to me when others care about people missing from other countries.

:blowkiss:

 

[otto]

But you Canadians think WE are not nice to murderers and we should set them all free!

Canada had a vote, I think it was back in the 60's, and decided to abolish the death penalty. Most civilized countries don't have the death penalty. The 'civilized' part means that we hope people can be rehabilitated.

 

[newtv]

:blowkiss:

right back atcha sweet spygurl..

:blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[spygirl]

right back atcha sweet spygurl..

:blowkiss::blowkiss:

:blushing:

 

[newtv]

:blushing:

:blushing:-that icon is so sweet..
I am waiting to see if this guy confesses or puts us all thru hell now- I dont even know this family but its so wrong what goes on..and its just one call away from being at our own doors..I couldnt imagine hearing this happened to my sister for example.

 

[spygirl]

I know I'm curious for the rest of the details. We'll know more in a couple of days....

 

[newtv]

I know I'm curious for the rest of the details. We'll know more in a couple of days....

yeah -it seems on tuesday late afternoon there will be a press conference so our edmontonian friends will have to keep us apprised

 

[Bobbisangel]

Its even worse if he committed an indignity to a dead body-what kind of creep is he?

Probably a creep who was trying to make it look like someone abducted her and then raped her. Maybe he doesn't know that a medical examiner can tell if the sex happened before or after her death. Look how he staged her car and her belongings. He staged the body too. Sounds to me like he is just a big dumb slob who didn't give a thought to how this will affect the life of his little daughter much less where he will spend the rest of his life. Now I hope he will be man enough to stand up and admit what he did the S.O.B.

 

[lauriej]

from the NPB...( national parole board, canada )
http://www.npb-cnlc.gc.ca/whatsn/myths053001_e.htm

10. Myth


A life sentence in Canada means that offenders only have to serve 25 years before they are released.

Reality

A life sentence means life. Lifers ( "1st or 2nd degree ") will never again enjoy total freedom.

Offenders, convicted of first-degree murder, serve life as a minimum sentence with their first parole eligibility set by law at 25 years. For offenders convicted of second-degree murder, the judge may set parole eligibility at a point between 10 and 25 years.

Lifers can only be released from prison if granted parole by the Board. Unlike most inmates who are serving a sentence of fixed length, i.e. 2, 10, or 20 years, lifers are not entitled to statutory release. If granted parole they will, for the rest of their lives, remain subject to the conditions of parole and the supervision of a parole officer. Parole may be revoked and offenders returned to prison at any time if they violate the conditions of parole or commit a new offence.

Not all lifers will be granted parole. Some may never be released on parole because they continue to represent too great a risk to re-offend.

...so.....if he is tried and convicted of 2nd degree....parole eligibility is set by law at a minimum of 10 years...( possibly up to 25 ,depending on the judge..)

...i think that's outrageous.........10 years ??? ( and all he has to do for that is say it was an argument that got out of hand ? squeeze out a few tears for the jury ? SAY how sorry he is?( that the little girl no longer has a mother ??)

...other than his not buying a boat a couple of weeks ago, what's the difference between sp taking laci's life, amd michael taking liana's ?
...a life is a life is a life..........

 

[newtv]

http://www.ctv.ca/canada

ok gang- this link takes u to ctv which is the main stay of broadcasting in canada..if u bookmark that link u can get the same news we are getting..they update it fairly fast..i am in vancouver so i dont mind posting updates - I am usually the last one up as I am a night hawk-but the news hasnt been fast and furious on this case anyhow.
I keep my homepage as google.ca that way I see my news all the time.
I like being in the know about anything important and being on my puter so much thats the best way.
We dont have a 24/7 news channel that I am aware of.

added..
http://news.google.ca/news?ned=ca&topic=n
here is the canadian google news link too
usually this type of case can be found in the first few headlines
but not if u just go to google.com
u have to click on the canadian news link
right now its the first headline but I doubt there is anything new to be learned right now.

I am thankful that it wasnt another wait and see case in terms of finding the body..

 

[karmarama]

QUOTE]Indignity to a human body is nothing more than dumping her body.[/QUOTE]

Could this scenario, be offering an indignity to a body? since they could not identify the body, maybe Micheal White did some things to her after her death, so that she couldn't be identified right away ?
Gruesome thought, I know, but it happens.

Of course we still don't have confirmation that it was indeed Liana's body that was found. Or, she may have been identified on the scene and the police aren't telling us for some reason? Micheal white was taken into custody last night, so that makes me that it was her.

On the other side of the city, bones were found today by a person driving a bulldozer, he happened upon a blanket and decided to look under it, he found bones! no further details were offered, the bones are being tested to establish that they are human.

http://www.kare.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157

 

[spygirl]

I actually don't want this to turn into a big politcal discussion like the Aruban madhouse, but since there's nothing much else to discuss for now....

I was never real pro-DP. I would have been happy with LWOP for SP. But then, with our system, on appeal he would probably end up with (God forbid) life with the possibility of parole. And to me, that is unacceptable.

I kind of look at the DP as though two wrongs don't make it right. I surely wouldn't want to be the one to push the drugs or pull the switch.... because murder is murder. And who knows what/who we will have to answer to in the end. I don't like to think about putting my own soul at stake for someone the likes of these monsters.

 

[otto]

http://www.kare.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157[/url

It's possible he wanted everyone to assume the serial rapist had changed his MO. If the body found is Liana, then dumping her outside of the city is consistent with what the serial is doing. The serial was also burning bodies.