Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #2

[spygirl]

I agree and he had to have hidden her in something so he wasnt spotted..a big hockey bag or something like a patio umbrella,..(grrr)..
anyhow here we go again..if its second degree murder then thats a step up from some who premeditate it but the fact is she is dead so how can we ever know the truth.

We'll get the truth, eventually. What I'm curious about is that 2nd degree charge.

"Oh hunny, I'm sorry I murdered you, but instead of calling for assistance or turning myself in, I'll just dump your body so no one knows."

 

[newtv]

We'll get the truth, eventually. What I'm curious about is that 2nd degree charge.

"Oh hunny, I'm sorry I murdered you, but instead of calling for assistance or turning myself in, I'll just dump your body so no one knows."

An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday morning and Edmonton police say they will hold a news conference on Tuesday afternoon to give what details they have of the case.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/18/lianawhite070518.html

out 49 minutes ago- on him being charged

 

[Casshew]

Huh? I'm lost now.... no one offended me.



That poor excuse for a husband is the only offender on this thread.

Your post 127... I think Lauriej thought you were talking to her - but you meant it for the SOB

 

[spygirl]

OMG just watching N/grace and she is so damn funny- a man went missing on his honeymoon-the wife woke up and noticed he wasnt there..so she went and worked out..?
(imagine the edge that nancy is giving this comment..like - OK..your husband is gone-there is blood in the cabin and she goes to workout.)

NG is great. I saw her roll her eyes once in OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS. One went clockwise, and the other one went counter-clockwise. Her studio people were in the background snickering.

 

[Casshew]

By turning against Paul, she made a nice cozy deal with the Crown and on May 14,1993 the charges were formally laid: 3 charges of manslaughter and a total of 12 years for the killing of Leslie and Kristen. She had to testify against Paul. He was being charged with 2 counts of first degree murder, 2 of forcible confinement 2 of kidnapping, 2 of sexual assault, and one count of committing an indignity to a human body.

( paul bernardo..........ONE count ? that's shocking....and disgusting..)

I have a friend that was (is) and officer in St Catherine's - off the record he said that Kristen's hair had all been cut off and she had been scrubbed clean (inside and out) if you get my drift to remove all evidence - this was done after she was dead... so maybe thats what that count was about.

 

[spygirl]

Your post 127... I think Lauriej thought you were talking to her - but you meant it for the SOB

Well yeah, I meant that him dumping her body was undignified. Hence the "indignity to a dead body" charge.

 

[spygirl]

An autopsy is scheduled for Tuesday morning and Edmonton police say they will hold a news conference on Tuesday afternoon to give what details they have of the case.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/07/18/lianawhite070518.html

out 49 minutes ago- on him being charged

Tomorrow Tuesday?

 

[heavenlydaze]

Lots of questions for our friends in Canada....I'm at work so I can't take the time to look all this up (not that I'd know how to do that anyway...computer duhhh).
What is the possible (worst) punishment for 2nd degree murder there?
Will they appoint a lawyer for the SOB if he can't afford one?
If he doesn't confess, will there be a jury trial?
If he DOES confess, who sentences him?

Thanks in advance!
Deb

 

[lauriej]

Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder

Canada has about 550 murders per year, a number that is fluctuating. This is equivalent to numbers in most of the western world, except the U.S. which has triple the number per capita. The main methods of murder in Canada are shootings (30%), stabbings (30%), and beatings (22%).

Canada has four types of crime that can be considered murder:

• first degree murder - the intentional killing of another person with premeditation, in the furtherance of another serious criminal offense (kidnapping, robbery, etc.), or the killing of a peace officer
• second degree murder - the intentional killing of another person without premeditation (ie killing in the heat of the moment)
• manslaughter - the killing of another person where there is no intent to kill
• infanticide - the killing of an infant by a mother while still recovering from the birth, and the mother's mind is "disturbed"

(there are exceptions to the above - certain types of murder are always first degree murder, such as the killing of a peace officer, and certain types of killings are murder regardless of intent, such as a death resulting from sexual assault)

The maximum penalties for murder are:

• first degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 25 years (can be paroled under the "faint hope clause" after 15 years imprisonment, but such a reduction is rarely given and is not available for multiple murders)
• second degree murder - mandatory life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for 10-25 years (parole eligibility determined by the judge at sentencing) (exception: if the person had committed another murder in their past, parole eligibility is 25 years)
• manslaughter - maximum life imprisonment
• infanticide - maximum 5 years imprisonment
• There is a clause where persons convicted of multiple murder, and deemed unable for rehabilitation, to be declared a 'dangerous offender' upon examination of doctors and psychiatrists (usually for sexually related murder). Persons declared as dangerous offenders have an undetermined prison sentence, although it usually means an increase of 10 years (possibly to 35 or more years).

For every murder in Canada there are about 1.5 attempted murders.

About one in three Canadian murders are committed by a family member. One in eight is gang related. About 80% of murderers in Canada are caught within a year.

 

[spygirl]

Wow. So he won't be charged with the death of the fetus then, right? And LWOP doesn't exist either?

 

[lauriej]

Lots of questions for our friends in Canada....I'm at work so I can't take the time to look all this up (not that I'd know how to do that anyway...computer duhhh).
What is the possible (worst) punishment for 2nd degree murder there?
Will they appoint a lawyer for the SOB if he can't afford one?
If he doesn't confess, will there be a jury trial?
If he DOES confess, who sentences him?

Thanks in advance!
Deb

...and yes, he will get a court-appointed lawyer if he cannot afford one..
...there will be a trial either by judge , or by jury..
...he's prosecuted by the 'crown' ( DA'S office ).......sentenced by the judge...

 

[concernedperson]

None of the links work. Can someone please provide that?

 

[spygirl]

So with the combined sentence of 25 years for INTENDED 2nd degree murder, and 5 years for the "indignity to a dead body" charge, he faces a maximum of 30 years?

Hmmph.

 

[JDB]

Please help me here. Did they charge the Hubby for this one? :crazy:

 

[spygirl]

I think newtv is occupied with trying to roll her eyes in opposite directions.... lol!

It hurts. I tried it.

:crazy:

 

[spygirl]

Please help me here. Did they charge the Hubby for this one? :crazy:

2nd degree.

 

[Casshew]

Please help me here. Did they charge the Hubby for this one? :crazy:

2nd degree murder & indignity to a dead body

 

[JDB]

2nd degree murder & indignity to a dead body

Thanks cass 2nd means by accident now to try to figure out the other part. Only in canada :innocent:

 

[Casshew]

Thanks cass 2nd means by accident now to try to figure out the other part. Only in canada :innocent:

I don't think it means accident... it just means he didn't plan it...

accident would be manslaughter.

 

[spygirl]

Thanks cass 2nd means by accident now to try to figure out the other part. Only in canada :innocent:

In Canada, 2nd degree is intentional but not pre-meditated.

ETA: "indignity to a dead body" charge possibly stemming from the dumping of Liana's remains.