Canada - Liana White, 29, Edmonton AB, 12 July 2005 - #2

[lauriej]

..another case, ( this one in ontario canada ) with an indignity to a huam body charge..: ( for moving the body..)

http://www.police.durham.on.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=6241

Investigators have laid an additional charge of Indignity to a Human Body against him.

Police allege VINCENT assisted in moving Kyla HOLBURN'S body to Nichol Avenue in Whitby, where it was found January 3rd.

 

[newtv]

What does 'offering' mean in this statement?

Police department spokeswoman Lisa Lammi said Michael White also faces an additional charge of offering an indignity to a dead body.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050718.wwoman0718/BNStory/National/

http://www.netlaw.co.nz/family.cfm?PageID=313

seems u cant bury or dig up a dead body without a permit

 

[lauriej]

What does 'offering' mean in this statement?

Police department spokeswoman Lisa Lammi said Michael White also faces an additional charge of offering an indignity to a dead body.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050718.wwoman0718/BNStory/National/

...i think it's just a figure of speech, derived from britain, adopted into legal-speak in canada...?

 

[heavenlydaze]

http://www.netlaw.co.nz/family.cfm?PageID=313

seems u cant bury or dig up a dead body without a permit

Somehow I can't picture the SOB (or anyone else for that matter) walking into the constables office and asking for a permit to move the body of the wife he just killed!?!?
:waitasec:

 

[newtv]

..another case, ( this one in ontario canada ) with an indignity to a huam body charge..: ( for moving the body..)

http://www.police.durham.on.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=6241

Investigators have laid an additional charge of Indignity to a Human Body against him.

Police allege VINCENT assisted in moving Kyla HOLBURN'S body to Nichol Avenue in Whitby, where it was found January 3rd.

ok- sounds like he is charged with killing her in one spot and then staging the scene by carrying her to a different spot- u are not allowed to move a dead body - whether u bury it or not.
I dont know this ofr sure but this is what I gather from the case and the context it is used in..(I mean we know she was found in a farmers field and thats not likely where she was killed.)

 

[newtv]

Somehow I can't picture the SOB (or anyone else for that matter) walking into the constables office and asking for a permit to move the body of the wife he just killed!?!?
:waitasec:

i was thinking the same-its kinda funny if it wasnt so tragic.

I am hunching that its like the penticton example- she died in his arms or the house and he carted her to another location-thats illegal..
I guess i was thrown off because it seems everyone hides the dead body..but maybe they chose to charge him so something sticks -or he is punished with 2 sentences.
It seems like an attempt to make it worse so justice prevails..he can get up to 5 years just for moving her.

 

[spygirl]

..........the 2nd charge to michael white could then be due to his 'dumping her body' in the field...

That sounds very undignified to me....

 

[newtv]

no, we don't have the DP here in canada...

..i looked for a case involving "indignity to a dead body":

http://www.pentictonherald.ca/?nopic=true&latest_date=2004/10/13

A Penticton man charged with killing his lover pleaded guilty Tuesday to disposing of her body improperly

Valliere said Boivin had died in his arms and he disposed of her body by carrying it in a backpack to a spot 500 metres from their home

The maximum sentence for offering an indignity to a human body is five years in prison. The maximum for manslaughter is life imprisonment.

..........the 2nd charge to michael white could then be due to his 'dumping her body' in the field...

thx lauriej - I understand it now..thats the best example I think.

 

[Casshew]

I don't know if it is as simple as moving a body or dumping a body... we shall see... Isn't dumping a body pretty common place as far as murders go? I just don't recall hearing this charge, at least not very often.

 

[lauriej]

i wasn't intending any disrespect to lianna white .....my apologies if you took it that way..

...it does appear to me now though, along with newtv's posts on the matter, that his ( m.white's ) removal of the deceased to another location is the reason behind the additional charge.

 

[newtv]

CTVNewsnet 2 pm

Forensic team was at the 'site" until midnight last night. They have returned today. Michael White is staying at his in-laws.

it seems he is barred from his house- I think that alone says something..I mean its been since saturday..
jess can we hug and make up please.

 

[newtv]

i wasn't intending any disrespect to lianna white .....my apologies if you took it that way..

...it does appear to me now though, along with newtv's posts on the matter, that his ( m.white's ) removal of the deceased to another location is the reason behind the additional charge.

I think we all know what your intentions were-it is undignified but its not about you discussing it..

 

[Casshew]

i wasn't intending any disrespect to lianna white .....my apologies if you took it that way..

I don't think spygirl was referring to your post.. she was referring to the SOB Husband IMO

 

[newtv]

I don't know if it is as simple as moving a body or dumping a body... we shall see... Isn't dumping a body pretty common place as far as murders go? I just don't recall hearing this charge, at least not very often.

this is why it threw me as well- its as if its redundant-but they may just want to charge him with everything they can..I would have thought its obstruction of justice but then what murderer doesnt obstruct justice-usually the murder charge is enough..
Anyhow- it will be interesting to see-and I was reading how the police may not tell us anything about it in order not to risk the case (I mean in other examples they have not wanted to give out any information to the public-and it seems they are already pretty closed off).

 

[spygirl]

It has to be that he dumped Liana's body, because that's where it was found, and who else would have put it there? He would have had to do something to her body before she was dumped (by someone else) if that were the case. So yeah, the disposal of her body has to be the charge.

 

[newtv]

It has to be that he dumped Liana's body, because that's where it was found, and who else would have put it there? He would have had to do something to her body before she was dumped (by someone else) if that were the case. So yeah, the disposal of her body has to be the charge.

I agree and he had to have hidden her in something so he wasnt spotted..a big hockey bag or something like a patio umbrella,..(grrr)..
anyhow here we go again..if its second degree murder then thats a step up from some who premeditate it but the fact is she is dead so how can we ever know the truth.

 

[spygirl]

I don't think spygirl was referring to your post.. she was referring to the SOB Husband IMO

Huh? I'm lost now.... no one offended me.



That poor excuse for a husband is the only offender on this thread.

:loser:

 

[newtv]

OMG just watching N/grace and she is so damn funny- a man went missing on his honeymoon-the wife woke up and noticed he wasnt there..so she went and worked out..?
(imagine the edge that nancy is giving this comment..like - OK..your husband is gone-there is blood in the cabin and she goes to workout.)

 

[lauriej]

I don't know if it is as simple as moving a body or dumping a body... we shall see... Isn't dumping a body pretty common place as far a murders go? I just don't recall hearing this charge, at least not very often.

a google search brings up a few : ( although i'm with you on this, i'd never heard the term before..)

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbcarlet/donstewartcase.htm
The cases of George Foster, 22, and Eldon Foster, 26, brothers belonging to Fredericton, who were charged with offering indignity to a human body, by removing it from a grave

http://www.yourlibrary.ca/community/richmondreview/archive/RR19990224/Morenews.html

Roberge pleaded guilty to obstructing justice and indignity to a human body and received a three-year suspended sentence and a three-year term of probation.


http://www.justicejunction.com/judicial_injustice_the_evil_within_charges_formally_laid.htm
In fact, when charges were filed against Karla, she only was charged with two counts of manslaughter. By turning against Paul, she made a nice cozy deal with the Crown and on May 14,1993 the charges were formally laid: 3 charges of manslaughter and a total of 12 years for the killing of Leslie and Kristen. She had to testify against Paul. He was being charged with 2 counts of first degree murder, 2 of forcible confinement 2 of kidnapping, 2 of sexual assault, and one count of committing an indignity to a human body.

( paul bernardo..........ONE count ? that's shocking....and disgusting..)

 

[newtv]

Huh? I'm lost now.... no one offended me.



That poor excuse for a husband is the only offender on this thread.

:loser:

thats what we were trying to explain to her-that u were referring to the charge.