GUILTY Canada - Loretta Saunders, 26, Halifax, NS, 13 February 2014 #2

[otto]

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There is no connection period. Go back and follow the whole conversation.

What would be the purpose of taking time to "... data mine his freinds against the soldiers Victoria H has befriended a few layers deep and see the degree of desperation."

 

[JimMk]

I think that Victoria was a crime fan. There's also the case of Jason Love, who murdered a taxi driver in Banff for $130. Victoria uses the name "Victoria Love" in one of her facebook pages.

Victoria Love is also the name of a star, and also a character from the Soap Opera "Another World", although I would imagine VH would be too young to remember the latter. She was a rather cunning, manipulative character on the show originally. I know, because my mom used to tape it, and I'd be stuck watching it when she got home from work. VH also has a post where she complains about ads popping up while she watches on her pc. Could be completly coincidental, and probably is. Just thought I'd point it out.

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[Sherwood Park]

I agree so much with at least two-thirds of your comment. So well said.

Reagrding the part bolded by me, I wonder if you have read the opinion piece at this link:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/trying-to-make-sense-of-loretta-saunders-death-1.2555237

I think they have a point. It's hard to say that they have no reasons to feel abandoned, or worse, sometimes.

Here are a few snipped parts:

Quote: ...
If you’re reading this, take it as my statement. I refuse to speculate about Loretta’s death. What I do know is that our society has discarded indigenous women and girls in much the same manner for generations. These people were playing out a script that we all know intimately, but never acknowledge.
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And so we continue to look to indigenous peoples like the savages we imagine them to be. Meanwhile, Loretta is dumped in a ditch in a province that once paid European invaders for the scalps of Mi’kmaq women, children, and men, repeating a centuries-old pattern in ways that are much too familiar to be a coincidence, to be irony, to be senseless. But these are the most common qualifiers I read about Loretta’s life and death.
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I don't have television and so I read snippets of news online. Does the public actually know if her murder was racially motivated? Or if it had anything to do with her research topic?

We do have a serious issue of violence against First Nation women within their various communities, but I am wondering if the racial issue has been mentioned by police? Unlike a lot of other missing aborignal women, her case received a lot of public attention even before she was discovered.

Do we know for sure that the accused are not Aboriginal?

Again, I don't have television, so I don't know about the accused's racial backgrounds, I've only seen pictures online.

 

[Simply Caustic]

What connection is there between Melissa Richmond and Blake/Victoria? I can't seen even one fact that is similar between that murder and Loretta, other than the victims being left in a median or ditch between two roads ... which is not a unique factor in murder.

Someone found a comment left by Victoria...it was a FB comment on a news station page, regarding the Richmond murder..to paraphrase, she said the husband couldn't have done it.

Good to see you here, Otto, I'd love it if you ever checked out the Maura Murray threads! Need some fresh, inquisitive eyes...

Sent from my KFTHWI

 

[otto]

I don't have television and so I read snippets of news online. Does the public actually know if her murder was racially motivated? Or if it had anything to do with her research topic?

We do have a serious issue of violence against First Nation women within their various communities, but I am wondering if the racial issue has been mentioned by police? Unlike a lot of other missing aborignal women, her case received a lot of public attention even before she was discovered.

Do we know for sure that the accused are not Aboriginal?

Again, I don't have television, so I don't know about the accused's racial backgrounds, I've only seen pictures online.

At this time, there doesn't appear to be any connection between the murder and racism. It looks more like a transient couple were looking for a free ride (and perhaps a bonding experience), and that Loretta was the victim because she was subletting when Blake/Victoria were looking for a free rent.

Good point ... it's quite possible that Victoria also had aboriginal ancestry. She grew up in the foster system, so nothing is known about her parents.

 

[otto]

Someone found a comment left by Victoria...it was a FB comment on a news station page, regarding the Richmond murder..to paraphrase, she said the husband couldn't have done it.

Good to see you here, Otto, I'd love it if you ever checked out the Maura Murray threads! Need some fresh, inquisitive eyes...

Sent from my KFTHWI

The comment that Victoria made about Melissa Richmond's husband being innocent gives me the impression that she follows crime cases, not that she is responsible for the murder.

I'll have a look at the MM case ... have never read about it.

 

[codeofhonour]

What would be the purpose of taking time to "... data mine his freinds against the soldiers Victoria H has befriended a few layers deep and see the degree of desperation."

First it is apparent you didn't read or correctly follow the parts of the conversation I commented on, I will paraphrase it for you.
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Someone mentioned that VH commented on a murder case close by to where she previously once lived.

Someone else added that the accused as well as Victoria liked swords, and said that it would be worth considering.

My position based on what is known about VH is that it was not very probable , and

if


I were to look at this I would consider stronger connections to validate such a proposition, I.E

1.) compare her lifestyle ( prostitute )
2.) social connections against the allege accused. ( alleged employment at DND )

Further to this discussion if the aforementioned results didn't satisfy ones curiosity it would be interesting to data mine to see the likelihood of their paths crossing.

This discussion was a gentle discussion about the possible premise of a connection between the two cases. It was in no way to support or validate that; contrarily arguments were presented to dismiss or weaken it. If my two suggestions clearly didn't negate that premise, one could data mine the POI.

Closing I stated " Personally I think it's a long shot and have the correct suspect charged"

 

[basilcat]

..with all due respect and prayers of strength and love to beautiful Loretta's family..
I do not think (IMO) , that this horrible murder has any bearing whatsoever on the cases of usolved and murdered aboriginal women...Loretta's studies were, in this instance a coincidence of her murder- not the cause..
The two accused were low life petty thieves who thought they were above the law and relished in their own perceptions of themselves as "evil renegades"..
iMO they killed for thrill and simply not caring...they didn't have the rent money..VL stated how much she disliked darling Lortta.. These were evil( VL and bl) people who met and as
a couple killed for no other reason than self satisfaction and greed...they probably weren't even aware of Loretta's chosen direction of study..they were low life grifters moving from. Town to town living a life of petty crime which escalated..they are the true definition of evil..they just don't care about the outcomes of their actions and actually glorify in the darkness of their deeds...
Sadly I know only too well the toll this horrific murder will have on Loretta's family..we the families of the victims are the ones who pay the price of a death sentence...to live everyday, always without a cherished loved one...always knowing that they went too soon, suffered too much and can never, ever be replaced...
My heart goes out to Loretta's family and friends as they try to make some type of meaning which is in the end a meaningless and truly evil act..it's been six years for our family and "murder" is something that never equates or resonates with the darling girl we lost to two murderous things..
Jennifer Horne was a beautiful girl horrifically murdered just prior to New Year's Eve in halifax, 2007.. The couple who killed her were evil...they both confessed to murder, but it wasn't until 42 court appearances later that they were in actually convicted....
This couple in Loretta's case reminds me of Jennifer's killers in their absolute disregard and lack of remorse for the horrific acts they committed..
They were too stupid to have a cause in mind ( ie. aboriginal killing) ; they were cold and heartless enough just to kill for debts and fun...truly scary...but probably true...

God bless Loretta's family, friends etc..
Strength to your cause ( missing and murdered aboriginal women) even if this isn't the case in Loretta's murder...at least there is a platform to highlight those issues as well... Take care always and know Loretta lives in your heart, dances among the stars and is part of everything that is beautiful and strong in this world..

 

[JimMk]

First it is apparent you didn't read or correctly follow the parts of the conversation I commented on, I will paraphrase it for you.
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Someone mentioned that VH commented on a murder case close by to where she previously once lived.

Someone else added that the accused as well as Victoria liked swords, and said that it would be worth considering.

My position based on what is known about VH is that it was not very probable , and

if


I were to look at this I would consider stronger connections to validate such a proposition, I.E

1.) compare her lifestyle ( prostitute )
2.) social connections against the allege accused. ( alleged employment at DND )

Further to this discussion if the aforementioned results didn't satisfy ones curiosity it would be interesting to data mine to see the likelihood of their paths crossing.

This discussion was a gentle discussion about the possible premise of a connection between the two cases. It was in no way to support or validate that; contrarily arguments were presented to dismiss or weaken it. If my two suggestions clearly didn't negate that premise, one could data mine the POI.

Closing I stated " Personally I think it's a long shot and have the correct suspect charged"

It's also been noted that Mr. Richmond was a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, and VH also has known ties to members of the military. There is a Canadian Forces Base in Petawawa, Ont. and we know VH lived there. It's not far from Ottawa, and Ms. Richmond is from Petawawa. Also, a striking similarity in the looks of Mrs. Richmond and Loretta Saunders. Some uncanny coincidences, to be sure.

 

[PonderingNS]

I have no idea if VH is involved in other murders or not but I saw someone say how would she have even known the person in the armed forces? Besides a previously mentioned tie to the military she may have lived in a rooming house that rented rooms to military and civilians. With the base in Petawawa there are always soldiers and their families & friends needing temporary housing. If you look on Kijiji even today you will see ads of rooms for rent to troops in Petawawa. Just saying it would not be hard for her to have met the troops.

 

[otto]

It's also been noted that Mr. Richmond was a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, and VH also has known ties to members of the military. There is a Canadian Forces Base in Petawawa, Ont. and we know VH lived there. It's not far from Ottawa, and Ms. Richmond is from Petawawa. Also, a striking similarity in the looks of Mrs. Richmond and Loretta Saunders. Some uncanny coincidences, to be sure.

What is Victoria's connection to the military? She claimed in a linkedin page that she worked as an administrator with the department of national defence from the age of 16 to age 23. Apparently she hasn't worked since the age of 23. She's now 28. She claims that she took one or more continuing education course(s) in accounting one year. She also claims that she is a student today and that she will graduate with a BCOMM from the University of Athabasca in 2017. I think it's safe to assume that none of it is real without a second source/reference.

During what years did Victoria live in Petawawa? Melissa lived in Winchester. At what time were they both living at the same location?

 

[Truth Prevails]

..with all due respect and prayers of strength and love to beautiful Loretta's family..
I do not think (IMO) , that this horrible murder has any bearing whatsoever on the cases of usolved and murdered aboriginal women...Loretta's studies were, in this instance a coincidence of her murder- not the cause..
The two accused were low life petty thieves who thought they were above the law and relished in their own perceptions of themselves as "evil renegades"..
iMO they killed for thrill and simply not caring...they didn't have the rent money..VL stated how much she disliked darling Lortta.. These were evil( VL and bl) people who met and as
a couple killed for no other reason than self satisfaction and greed...they probably weren't even aware of Loretta's chosen direction of study..they were low life grifters moving from. Town to town living a life of petty crime which escalated..they are the true definition of evil..they just don't care about the outcomes of their actions and actually glorify in the darkness of their deeds...
Sadly I know only too well the toll this horrific murder will have on Loretta's family..we the families of the victims are the ones who pay the price of a death sentence...to live everyday, always without a cherished loved one...always knowing that they went too soon, suffered too much and can never, ever be replaced...
My heart goes out to Loretta's family and friends as they try to make some type of meaning which is in the end a meaningless and truly evil act..it's been six years for our family and "murder" is something that never equates or resonates with the darling girl we lost to two murderous things..
Jennifer Horne was a beautiful girl horrifically murdered just prior to New Year's Eve in halifax, 2007.. The couple who killed her were evil...they both confessed to murder, but it wasn't until 42 court appearances later that they were in actually charged
This couple in Loretta's case reminds me of Jennifer's killers in their absolute disregard and lack of remorse for the horrific acts they committed..
They were too stupid to have a cause in mind ( ie. aboriginal killing) ; they were cold and heartless enough just to kill for debts and fun...truly scary...but probably true...

God bless Loretta's family, friends etc..
Strength to your cause ( missing and murdered aboriginal women) even if this isn't the case in Loretta's murder...at least there is a platform to highlight those issues as well... Take care always and know Loretta lives in your heart, dances among the stars and is part of everything that is beautiful and strong in this world..

I'm so sorry for the loss of your child, and for all you have endured.

I've been thinking about you all day, since I read the article.

Please accept my deepest condolences.

And thank you for sharing words of support here on this thread with us.

 

[JimMk]

What is Victoria's connection to the military? She claimed in a linkedin page that she worked as an administrator with the department of national defence from the age of 16 to age 23. Apparently she hasn't worked since the age of 23. She's now 28. She claims that she took one or more continuing education course(s) in accounting one year. She also claims that she is a student today and that she will graduate with a BCOMM from the University of Athabasca in 2017. I think it's safe to assume that none of it is real without a second source/reference.

During what years did Victoria live in Petawawa? Melissa lived in Winchester. At what time were they both living at the same location?

She has some comments on various pics with CAF members, and at least one who tags her in a pic.

 

[JimMk]

To clarify, pics posted by CAF members. She's not necessarily in them.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I don't have television and so I read snippets of news online. Does the public actually know if her murder was racially motivated? Or if it had anything to do with her research topic?

We do have a serious issue of violence against First Nation women within their various communities, but I am wondering if the racial issue has been mentioned by police? Unlike a lot of other missing aborignal women, her case received a lot of public attention even before she was discovered.

Do we know for sure that the accused are not Aboriginal?

Again, I don't have television, so I don't know about the accused's racial backgrounds, I've only seen pictures online.

If you scroll down and watch the video at the bottom of the following link, you should see a video clip from Question Period where the opposition MP's are calling for an inquiry into the cases of all missing and murdered Indigenous women. It is Loretta's murder that they are using as their platform for calling for this inquiry.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1177701/c...quiry-into-missing-murdered-aboriginal-women/

A quick Google should also bring up that they called for a moment of silence in the House yesterday on behalf of Loretta's memory.

You will find other posts on thread #1 where we discussed this; and if you Google, you will find a mention of it on almost every article about Loretta.

I'm not meaning to imply that it is a fact in her murder or that it is not--we simply don't have enough information.

 

[Truth Prevails]

I remember someone mentioning that VH had a book with her yesterday. This article contains a few more details about it. It seems it was a drama about "sex, lies and reality TV" and a life dramatically unraveling.

The Globe and Mail | Loretta Saunders's cause will live on, family vows after accused's day in court
JANE TABER | HALIFAX — The Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Feb. 28 2014, 8:27 PM EST
Last updated Friday, Feb. 28 2014, 9:04 PM EST

Victoria Henneberry, 28, the co-accused and Mr. Leggette’s girlfriend, did not physically appear in the courtroom. Her lawyer, Patrick MacEwen, dealt with her case. However, she was in the building. She was captured by photographers as she was led into the courthouse handcuffed and clutching a dog-eared paperback novel, As Seen on TV, about “sex, lies and reality TV” and the young woman whose life begins to “unravel in dramatic style.”

Read more: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-as-accused-appears-in-court/article17183755/

 

[PonderingNS]

In one of her Facebook posts as Victoria Love on Nov 10,09 she refers to losing someone in the military.
https://www.facebook.com/VictoriaLove144/posts/178552121673

 

[otto]

She has some comments on various pics with CAF members, and at least one who tags her in a pic.

Wouldn't everyone that grew up in Ontario know someone that is in the military? Is there any information that Victoria lived in Petawawa and, if so, during what years was she there?

 

[otto]

If you scroll down and watch the video at the bottom of the following link, you should see a video clip from Question Period where the opposition MP's are calling for an inquiry into the cases of all missing and murdered Indigenous women. It is Loretta's murder that they are using as their platform for calling for this inquiry.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1177701/c...quiry-into-missing-murdered-aboriginal-women/

A quick Google should also bring up that they called for a moment of silence in the House yesterday on behalf of Loretta's memory.

You will find other posts on thread #1 where we discussed this; and if you Google, you will find a mention of it on almost every article about Loretta.

I'm not meaning to imply that it is a fact in her murder or that it is not--we simply don't have enough information.

Is that the clip where we learn that $25 million dollars is dedicated to addressing the problem of missing/deceased aboriginal women?

 

[PonderingNS]

Wouldn't everyone that grew up in Ontario know someone that is in the military? Is there any information that Victoria lived in Petawawa and, if so, during what years was she there?

VH herself posts about living in Petawawa in 09 on her Facebook wall. She also moves back there in 2012 I think it is for a short time.