CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Australian & g/f Chynna Deese, American, murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019

[Zella]

I don't think it's a given that a group of women traveling together didn't pull over and didn't call a tow truck because they felt an actual threat. Seems like they were acting more out of a general safety principle rather than to the specific situation.

As a woman driving alone, I would never pull over for anybody, just on general principle, and it wouldn't surprise me if this lady felt the same way. Since cell service is spotty there and it is remote, it might be easier to just call authorities rather than a tow service.

 

[PingTheRouter]

Can we find out if any were registered in Alberta in the last 6 months : Fort McMurray, Edmonton, Red Deer, Calgary, Lethbridge?

Blue 1986 Chevrolet Van with a black sun visor on the roof. An Australian tourist who wants to attend a branding and then drive across Northern Canada, maybe he bought it on kijiji?

i am from australia and know knowledge about DMV type systems from canada is limited at best
if there is a public database you could run the plates you could also try cropping the image of the van down to just the plates and running a reverse google image search and seeing if it picks up sales listings for that van
you can also try googling the type model and plates and see if its picks up an auto trader website with sales details

 

[afitzy]

These are apparently different sets of witnesses - CH was the witness in the car with relatives, they passed by some 20 minutes after CH's husband had passed by the location of LF & CD at their van.

SB and CB are the couple who were traveling together and stopped to offer help to LF & CD. I believe that SB is the woman who spoke with Gray on his live stream.

Thank you for this as I found it confusing to understand who exactly Gray was speaking to in his interview.

 

[afitzy]

Roadside location where blue van was found based on Gray Hughes research from 2 pictures of blue van posted by RCMP @min 9:12 in Gray Hughes report. Blue van was on the left side of the road:

 

[Satchie]

These are apparently different sets of witnesses - CH was the witness in the car with relatives, they passed by some 20 minutes after CH's husband had passed by the location of LF & CD at their van.

SB and CB are the couple who were traveling together and stopped to offer help to LF & CD. I believe that SB is the woman who spoke with Gray on his live stream.

I agree, they are different witnesses.

I think it's likely many people stopped to check to see if they needed help, these are just the ones who have spoken to the media.

What jumps out to me as the safety issue would be concern about a collision if you pull over by the side of the highway, and get out of the car. So often there's an accident under those circumstances, another driver just plows into you.

 

[TheSecondLaw]

Roadside location where blue van was found based on Gray Hughes research from 2 pictures of blue van posted by RCMP @min 9:12 in Gray Hughes report. Blue van was on the left side of the road:

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GPS Location according to Google Maps is : 59.2564044,-125.9738953.

I wonder when the van's hood was shut, and whether it was shut by the victims or after their deaths?

 

[otto]

These are apparently different sets of witnesses - CH was the witness in the car with relatives, they passed by some 20 minutes after CH's husband had passed by the location of LF & CD at their van.

SB and CB are the couple who were traveling together and stopped to offer help to LF & CD. I believe that SB is the woman who spoke with Gray on his live stream.

That helps. So there are 3 witnesses so far.

The husband, the wife, and the couple that stopped to offer help. Are any times attached to when this happened?

 

[otto]

I don't think it's a given that a group of women traveling together didn't pull over and didn't call a tow truck because they felt an actual threat. Seems like they were acting more out of a general safety principle rather than to the specific situation.

As a woman driving alone, I would never pull over for anybody, just on general principle, and it wouldn't surprise me if this lady felt the same way. Since cell service is spotty there and it is remote, it might be easier to just call authorities rather than a tow service.

I doubt this has anything to do with "women." It sounds like a man and his wife passed the victims while they were alive and well 20 minutes apart. Another couple spoke to them.

Generally speaking, do people in Fort Nelson call police when they see a stalled vehicle on the side of the road?

 

[TheSecondLaw]

That helps. So there are 3 witnesses so far.

The husband, the wife, and the couple that stopped to offer help. Are any times attached to when this happened?

It was reported that SB&CB stopped at approx. 3:30pm on Sunday 15/7/19. CH and her husband also passed by that same Sunday, approx. 20 minutes apart, but I hadn't yet read any time specifics for their instances.

LE are looking for eyewitnesses & dashcam footage between 4:00pm and 7:00am (or perhaps it was 7:30am) the next morning.

 

[Satchie]

Roadside location where blue van was found based on Gray Hughes research from 2 pictures of blue van posted by RCMP @min 9:12 in Gray Hughes report. Blue van was on the left side of the road:

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The highway is just a narrow 2 lane road, no proper shoulders to pull over. The speed limit is probably 90 kph, about 55 mph.

 

[otto]

I agree, they are different witnesses.

I think it's likely many people stopped to check to see if they needed help, these are just the ones who have spoken to the media.

What jumps out to me as the safety issue would be concern about a collision if you pull over by the side of the highway, and get out of the car. So often there's an accident under those circumstances, another driver just plows into you.

If many people stopped to check on them, there should be many witnesses who can describe the vehicle, and whether there was a second vehicle.

Even if the suspect plowed into the victims' car, they were shot.

 

[otto]

GPS Location according to Google Maps is : 59.2564044,-125.9738953.

I wonder when the van's hood was shut, and whether it was shut by the victims or after their deaths?

20km South of Liard Hot Springs : per coordinates

 

[otto]

It was reported that SB&CB stopped at approx. 3:30pm on Sunday 15/7/19. CH and her husband also passed by that same Sunday, approx. 20 minutes apart, but I hadn't yet read any time specifics for their instances.

LE are looking for eyewitnesses & dashcam footage between 4:00pm and 7:00am (or perhaps it was 7:30am) the next morning.

If we assume that Chynna was shot in the head immediately, then we can understand a closed casket. What about Lucas Fowler's funeral. Was that also closed casket? If not, what was different? If she was shot in the head, why wasn't he? Was this a robbery where they were both immediately shot and robbed? What if he was shot first and closed casket was necessary for her? Early reports don't sound good.

 

[ZoriahNZ]

What the heck is going on? Not sure if actually related but...

Third body 'found on highway' near where Lucas Fowler and girlfriend were murdered

A truck fire and another dead body discovered.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) responded on Friday to a vehicle on fire south of the Stikine River Bridge on Highway 37 at British Columbia, but found nobody inside.

During the investigation, a man’s dead body was discovered at a nearby rest stop, the Georgia Straight reported. The Alaska Highway, where the couple were found dead on Monday, intersects with Highway 37 several kilometres north.

Canadian authorities believe Mr Fowler - the son of NSW Chief Inspector Stephen Fowler - and Ms Deese were shot after their van broke down 20 kilometres south of Liard Hot Springs.

 

[otto]

The highway is just a narrow 2 lane road, no proper shoulders to pull over. The speed limit is probably 90 kph, about 55 mph.

The van was sprawled 2/3 on the road - enough of a reason to call RCMP. If the murder happened as late as 4:30PM or sundown.

Someone asked about trucks in the area, whether they are logging trucks. Seems possible. Oil and trees are harvested in Canada, oil is dead so it must be trees.

 

[PingTheRouter]

What the heck is going on? Not sure if actually related but...

Third body 'found on highway' near where Lucas Fowler and girlfriend were murdered

A truck fire and another dead body discovered.

not sure if i am reading this right but that is a 40 minute drive from where lucas and chynna was found
that is like saying something in my suburb and something 10 suburbs away are related because they share a common road

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Yeah, the article /headline is misleading. It wasn't 'near' the murdered couple. Same as it has nothing to do with the 'highway of tears' which is apparently 1000 kms south of where they were found.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Ms Deese had reportedly left her home to visit Mr Fowler, who had been working at a ranch in Canada, when tragedy struck.

Chynna’s brother wrote finding out his sister was dead was the most “chaotic day of my life” after she stopped responding to his text messages.

“My little sister left to visit her boyfriend Lucas for the ‘branding of the cows’ at a ranch he worked at in Canada and to travel through the top half of the globe,” he said on Facebook.

Australian man found dead in Canada

 

[otto]

What the heck is going on? Not sure if actually related but...

Third body 'found on highway' near where Lucas Fowler and girlfriend were murdered

A truck fire and another dead body discovered.

Can anyone help to put this on the map?

Here is the best I can understand with Hwy 37 intersecting Alaska Hwy and a bridge. Where was the burning car and where was the body?

 

[otto]

not sure if i am reading this right but that is a 40 minute drive from where lucas and chynna was found
that is like saying something in my suburb and something 10 suburbs away are related because they share a common road

Given the extremely low crime rate, yes this would seem related if it is 40km away. If it is 1000 miles away, it's ludicrous.

Where is the intersection between Hwy 37 and the Alaska Hwy. That seems to be where the car fire occurred.