Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #18

[FactFinder3000]

re: approaching the van armed.

Not necessarily. They could have approached the van unarmed, looked inside, saw two people inside, and then fetched their weapons. Or, it's even possible they started pilfering from the van without noticing that was a couple inside, and then ran back to get their weapons.

What if they saw a wallet or purse in front, stole it, and were then confronted by Lucas? They may have then decided to fetch their weapons and murder the couple to avoid being arrested for stealing the wallet or purse.

 

[LoisLane]

It's actually comical just how much those two look like shoplifters in that surveillance video.

First we have the jacket. Kam has bare arms and a light T-shirt, and behind him follows Bryer, overdressed, wearing a shirt and jacket over top. A very large jacket. Classic sign of a shoplifter.

Next we have Bryer fidgeting and walking awkwardly with his arms in front of him. More classic shoplifter signs.

It's claimed they talked to a clerk, yet they're looking all over the place. Why? If they're looking for something, why didn't they ask the clerk where it was? Was this really the perfect time to go browsing in a hardware store?

We have Kam trying his hardest to look casual, with one arm in his pocket. He even appears to stroke his chin at one point, like he's thinking about a purchase. But he never slows down.

Then we have the actual exit. Kam says something to the clerk with his back to her. Normally you would stop and turn around if you wanted to say something to somebody. Make eye contact. But Kam is in too big a rush to get out of there. Bryer, as he goes through the door, turns his head to the side and looks at the floor. Why? He appears to be using his peripheral vision to determine, without actually looking back, whether or not he's being followed out. Lack of eye contact is another sign of a shoplifter.

And finally, we are told they made purchases, yet clearly they made no purchase in this video. I doubt they did make a purchase at this store, but if they did, then going in and out multiple times is yet another sign of a shoplifter.

As for BS fidgeting I’m not in agreement. He is buttoning up his jacket. When they are rounding the corner at aisle 19 he is buttoning around his chest area, I can see his T-shirt exposed and then by the time they exit the store it is done up to his collar. Also, the jacket is loose/open at the bottom so unless his undershirt is holding the item and is tucked in whatever he has in the chest area would fall out. Unless he has something stuffed in his sleeves and keeping his arms in a certain position (by buttoning) keeps the item(s) more secure or less obvious.

It does not appear they purchased anything that would require a bag or visible carry out but if it was a small item it could have been pocketed after payment.

 

[LoisLane]

Also want to add to the arms/sleeves holding an item.. when they exit it sort of looks like BS’s one hand is in the sleeve.

 

[CinNC]

This is my theory of the crime:

I think that BS and KM set out on an outlaw adventure. I think they had the idea that they would run amok and wreak havoc and evade authorities, with no specifics on how or who or why. They envisioned living a game, and they thought
that they would be very good at it.

SBM

In support of this, I keep thinking of the ridiculous movies we see today (ala 007 or vigilantes saving the day/Earth) in which ridiculous means and actions are displayed when, for example, the good guys swing on a clothesline, land on top of a garbage truck, jump onto the roof of a moving car and "surf" it to the next ridiculous and unlikely escape path.

When I think of this stuff, it makes me wonder if these two actually thought that they would continue across the country/world performing miraculous and last-minute escape stunts.

Far fetched, maybe, but these "entertainment" venues are ubiquitous these days. Add video games to the mix and its a poor recipe for young minds to formulate unrealistic ideas and ideals.

 

[SovereignSnake]

I don't either. I have a feeling that they were aiming for the nearest shipping port, with the hope they could get on a ship and out of the country and their own navigational errors left them boxed in.

I can't help but picture this scenario as well once they got to Sundance. I want to speculate they had some sense that they were encroaching the Hudson Bay and it was going to be the end of the line in terms of driving. Then I still wonder if they did intend on driving to the "End of the Road" (Hwy 290) but lost control and crashed on the outskirts of Sundance and said; "Okay, we're walking to the coast!" My other thought is; I don't think they fully understood the distance they still had to walk and how small and desolate these towns were. Like they saw York Factory and Port Nelson on the map and assumed it might be a big shipping port with lots of docks and boats. First of all, even if there was a big ship I would be scared to sneak on board even at night. Second, the thought of stealing a little motor boat like Clint Sawchuk's for example and cruising down the coast to Ontario sounds absolutely terrifying. You look at the maps and there's just nothing! Also, here's a little mini travel documentary I happened upon which gives you more of an idea of what the are is like. Very interesting.

My Wilderness Adventure to York Factory, Manitoba | BCRobyn

 

[Kubirai]

If murder wasn’t in their realm of possibilities, they had the opportunity to order L&C out of the van by gunpoint, taking whatever they wanted, driving away and leaving them alive.

After the murders, they had at least 4 days think about their next steps and maybe just hightail it back home, feigning disappointment over the lack of jobs up north.

Imagine this unlikey scenario ... just because far less likely scenarios have been proposed.

KM/BS were told when to drive north via Highway 97, and when to drive back south via Highway 37. They were also told to meet someone in Gillam area.

KM/BS were expected to murder a young couple in a disabled blue van on Highway 97, and expected to grab a specific grey RAV4 on their return path.

If they had a working phone from July 13 to July 19, above unlikely theory can be hastily eliminated. The victims may also have been given route and stopover suggestions.

 

[Gina20]

Bellingcat has a thorough investigation of Tarrant manifesto propagation by Fascist groups including Azov Battalion.

Bryer's dad was mistaken about the real reason for the Russian fascination. It was because of Azov Battalion. RCMP must determine how Bryer came across this vile Nazi group and what discussions took place.

The missing Army reservist, suspended for participating in a similar Nazi group, is from Manitoba. There could be a connection.

Fire is part of the Rodnovery beliefs of that group.

 

[sandbar]

I can't help but picture this scenario as well once they got to Sundance. I want to speculate they had some sense that they were encroaching the Hudson Bay and it was going to be the end of the line in terms of driving. Then I still wonder if they did intend on driving to the "End of the Road" (Hwy 290) but lost control and crashed on the outskirts of Sundance and said; "Okay, we're walking to the coast!" My other thought is; I don't think they fully understood the distance they still had to walk and how small and desolate these towns were. Like they saw York Factory and Port Nelson on the map and assumed it might be a big shipping port with lots of docks and boats. First of all, even if there was a big ship I would be scared to sneak on board even at night. Second, the thought of stealing a little motor boat like Clint Sawchuk's for example and cruising down the coast to Ontario sounds absolutely terrifying. You look at the maps and there's just nothing! Also, here's a little mini travel documentary I happened upon which gives you more of an idea of what the are is like. Very interesting.

My Wilderness Adventure to York Factory, Manitoba | BCRobyn

Quite possibly they thought they had reached Hudson Bay.

 

[Gina20]

Photos of Russian Pagans Burning Stuff for the Gods

Yes, they burn stuff.

 

[sandbar]

Photos of Russian Pagans Burning Stuff for the Gods

Yes, they burn stuff.

Maybe, like Phoebe's brother, they like to watch stuff melt...

 

[Chingaling]

Just wondering,I seen posts about the bugs,but what kind of snakes inhabit Canada?

 

[sandbar]

Just wondering,I seen posts about the bugs,but what kind of snakes inhabit Canada?

I had no idea...
Manitoba Herps Atlas - Snakes (Colubridae, Natricidae and Xenodontidae)
But keep in mind that where K&B were found is justjustjust sub artic...

 

[Chingaling]

I had no idea...
Manitoba Herps Atlas - Snakes (Colubridae, Natricidae and Xenodontidae)So nothing poisonous?
But keep in mind that where K&B were found is justjustjust sub artic...

 

[sandbar]

dbm

 

[sandbar]

Replying to Chingaling:
I'm no botanist or whatever, but I doubt it as it is just below the arctic circle.

 

[Jan424]

DBM

 

[NJSleuth91]

Then I still wonder if they did intend on driving to the "End of the Road" (Hwy 290) but lost control and crashed on the outskirts of Sundance and said; "Okay, we're walking to the coast!"

They got to the end of the highway. It ends in Sundance.

My other thought is; I don't think they fully understood the distance they still had to walk and how small and desolate these towns were. Like they saw York Factory and Port Nelson on the map and assumed it might be a big shipping port with lots of docks and boats.

I doubt it. Even cursory research would indicate otherwise.

 

[MistyWaters]

Pretty much. There's just not a lot of logical consistency going on there, in that group in general, so it's not really that unusual of a contradiction for Bryer to be into Nazi stuff but also Communist/Russian stuff.

Plus my suspicion is that his interest in these totalitarian regimes was less because of the ideology, and more because of the highly regimented structure and strong sense of identity. Those are things which I suspect he felt were lacking in his own life. JMO.

Teens searching for “shock value” have been happening on for ages. I can think back to the 60s or 70s when men first began growing their hair long. Years later some teens chose to go with the gothic image. Many other shades of rebellion from the societies norm including devil worship and anti-Christ following, It’s only been very recently that the Nazi stuff has arisen, perhaps because ISIS is no longer “the enemy” but the trend to shock became associated with war.

So if B was attracted to that sort of culture it may have given him a sense of identity or it may’ve been the typical reason other teens go through the same phase - the shock value serves to attract attention from his peers. Instead of doing it the hard way - by working diligently to excel at something, anything, to be proud of and stand out, shock value can serve as alternative in getting noticed. Which indirectly may tie into the motive to murder 3 innocent people and intentionally lead police on a cross country manhunt. There’s an old saying, negative attention is better than no attention.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Teens searching for “shock value” have been happening on for ages. I can think back to the 60s or 70s when men first began growing their hair long. Years later some teens chose to go with the gothic image. Many other shades of rebellion from the societies norm including devil worship and anti-Christ following, It’s only been very recently that the Nazi stuff has arisen, perhaps because ISIS is no longer “the enemy” but the trend to shock became associated with war.

So if B was attracted to that sort of culture it may have given him a sense of identity or it may’ve been the typical reason other teens go through the same phase - the shock value serves to attract attention from his peers. Instead of doing it the hard way - by working diligently to excel at something, anything, to be proud of and stand out, shock value can serve as alternative in getting noticed. Which indirectly may tie into the motive to murder 3 innocent people and intentionally lead police on a cross country manhunt. There’s an old saying, negative attention is better than no attention.

I agree that a lot of Bryer's "edgy" words and actions came out of a desire for attention. However I don't think notoriety was a motive for the murders because of their lack of social media or other internet presence. There have been a lot of "notoriety" killings committed by young people in recent times, and all of them had some kind of public online footprint with hints being dropped, manifestos, etc.

 

[MistyWaters]

They got to the end of the highway. It ends in Sundance.



I doubt it. Even cursory research would indicate otherwise.

Vancouver Island is only 460km or 290 miles in length. AS claimed B had never been off it and we don’t know if K travelled. But regardless, at the age of 18 and 19 their worldly experiences were very small. It would not surprise me a bit if they believed all roads led somewhere or if the end was near a large body of water, then it led to a shipping port because that’s within the realm of their personal knowledge.

I bet very few, if any, of us here have ever experienced this sight:



RCMP press on as hunt for B.C. fugitives enters second week