Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[CanadianSleuther]

I'm sorry, this is just one of the most ridiculous and possibly insulting things I've read here. How can you possibly have any proof of this or even evidence to support this as an opinion? Unless you have had ongoing personal conversations with each member of the Fowler/Deese families

"“To the murderers and their family, the appropriate action when mistakes are made is taking responsibility. The proper public response would have been a genuine apology. But we still forgive you and have mercy.”" This was said by Chynna Deese's sister.
Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky’s dad of failing to take responsibility
So it's safe to say she believes both Kam and Bryer are responsible. All I was saying is I hope to go when evidence of a summary is revealed to the families they are not wrong.

 

[MistyWaters]

Nothing to indicate Lucas’s father is anything but highly supportive of the RCMP as well.

BBM

“Fowler expressed gratitude to the New South Wales Police commissioner and the Australian government for providing two detectives to act as liaisons between the family and the Mounties.

He also said that he and his family "are more than satisfied" with the resources being allocated by the RCMP to the investigation.

And Fowler added that he's "more than confident in the commitment of all the officers who are working on this case"....”
Australian police officer Stephen Fowler says nothing prepared him and his family for dealing with son's murder

 

[CanadianSleuther]

"Crown files stay of proceedings on charges against B.C. teens suspected of 3 northern B.C. murders"

https://albertapressleader.ca/crown-files-stay-of-proceedings-on-charges-against-b-c-teens-suspected-of-3-northern-b-c-murders/

New from today!

"The B.C. Crown prosecutor’s office filed a Stay of Proceedings in Terrace court on second-degree murder charges against Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18.

The Crown filed the Stay of Proceedings on Sept. 9."

 

[MistyWaters]

"“To the murderers and their family, the appropriate action when mistakes are made is taking responsibility. The proper public response would have been a genuine apology. But we still forgive you and have mercy.”" This was said by Chynna Deese's sister.
Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky’s dad of failing to take responsibility
So it's safe to say she believes both Kam and Bryer are responsible. All I was saying is I hope to go when evidence of a summary is revealed to the families they are not wrong.

Police do not name anyone as dangerous suspects just on a vague hunch - they already had evidence linking them to the three murders on July 24th or their status wouldn’t have changed from “missing” to “suspects”. When their bodies were found after fleeing in a stolen car belonging to one of the victims, they were indeed armed.

BBM

“There's a major new development in the investigation into the deaths of three people in Canada, including an American woman and her Australian boyfriend. Police say 19-year-old Kam McLeod and 18-year-old Bryer Schmegelsky, who were originally reported missing, are suspects — and could now be on the run.”

Police say the teens could be armed and may have changed their appearance. They also have reason to believe the pair are already thousands of miles away.

"If you spot Bryer or Kam, consider them dangerous," said Sgt. Janelle Shoihet of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. An intense manhunt is now underway for the teens, who are suspects in three deaths on rural roads in British Columbia, Canada...”
Canada highway murders: Suspects Kam McLeod, Bryer Schmegelsky called "dangerous" after Chynna Deese, Lucas Fowler killed - CBS News

 

[sandbar]

"“To the murderers and their family, the appropriate action when mistakes are made is taking responsibility. The proper public response would have been a genuine apology. But we still forgive you and have mercy.”" This was said by Chynna Deese's sister.
Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky’s dad of failing to take responsibility
So it's safe to say she believes both Kam and Bryer are responsible. All I was saying is I hope to go when evidence of a summary is revealed to the families they are not wrong.

Hardly the families in totality, and I hear anger about the words spoken and used those words to describe who she was angry at, rather than definitive culpability.

AND I take and appreciate your more nuanced point, all at the same time. ✌

 

[MistyWaters]

"Crown files stay of proceedings on charges against B.C. teens suspected of 3 northern B.C. murders"

https://albertapressleader.ca/crown-files-stay-of-proceedings-on-charges-against-b-c-teens-suspected-of-3-northern-b-c-murders/

New from today!

"The B.C. Crown prosecutor’s office filed a Stay of Proceedings in Terrace court on second-degree murder charges against Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18.

The Crown filed the Stay of Proceedings on Sept. 9."

This is not news. We already know dead people are not prosecuted. However it may be a positive indication the autopsies have now been fully completed, potentially a reason for a delay in the final investigative update.

“In light of the suspects’ deaths, a spokesperson for the BC Prosecution Service said in an email to The Canadian Press that the charge will not proceed.

"We anticipate that the charge will be abated once the (prosecution service) receives official confirmation that the accused is deceased. That will conclude the prosecution," said Dan McLaughlin....”
Autopsy results say B.C. murder suspects died by suicide: RCMP

 

[JudgeJudi]

Crown files stay of proceedings on charges against B.C. teens suspected of 3 northern B.C. murders

The B.C. Crown prosecutor’s office filed a Stay of Proceedings in Terrace court on second-degree murder charges against Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18.

The Crown filed the Stay of Proceedings on Sept. 9.

Schmegelsky and McLeod were charged on July 24 with second-degree murder in the death of UBC lecturer Leonard Dyck.

They were also named as suspects in the murder of Australian Lucas Fowler and American Chynna Deese.

https://albertapressleader.ca/crown-files-stay-of-proceedings-on-charges-against-b-c-teens-suspected-of-3-northern-b-c-murders/

What does it mean when charges are stayed in Canada?

The decision by the Crown to stay or withdraw charges means they discontinue the prosecution. In both situations, once your charges are withdrawn or stayed by the Crown, you don't have to go back to court. ... Stayed charges can be “brought back to life” within one year of the day they are stayed.”

What’s the difference between having charges withdrawn or stayed?

The decision by the Crown to stay or withdraw charges means they discontinue the prosecution. In both situations, once your charges are withdrawn or stayed by the Crown, you don’t have to go back to court.

However, there is one important difference. Stayed charges can be “brought back to life” within one year of the day they are stayed. While this tends to be rare, you should know that if you’re charged with new offences during the one year period after you’ve had charges stayed, the stayed charges could be brought back and the Crown could prosecute you on those same charges again. If charges are withdrawn, the prosecution of those charges is finished and those same charges can never be brought back.

What’s the difference between having charges withdrawn or stayed? | LawFacts

I hope the explanation above gives you all something new to discuss. It's 3:18 here in Oz so I'll bid you all goodnight.

 

[sandbar]

Arrggghhh, perfect example of poor headline writing that is just vague and leaning toward the incorrect...

Crown files stay of proceedings on charges against B.C. teens suspected of 3 northern B.C. murders

It implies that that 3 charges were laid and then 3 charges were stayed. Lazy journalism, poor editing...

 

[MistyWaters]

Crown files stay of proceedings on charges against B.C. teens suspected of 3 northern B.C. murders

The B.C. Crown prosecutor’s office filed a Stay of Proceedings in Terrace court on second-degree murder charges against Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18.

The Crown filed the Stay of Proceedings on Sept. 9.

Schmegelsky and McLeod were charged on July 24 with second-degree murder in the death of UBC lecturer Leonard Dyck.

They were also named as suspects in the murder of Australian Lucas Fowler and American Chynna Deese.

https://albertapressleader.ca/crown-files-stay-of-proceedings-on-charges-against-b-c-teens-suspected-of-3-northern-b-c-murders/

What does it mean when charges are stayed in Canada?

The decision by the Crown to stay or withdraw charges means they discontinue the prosecution. In both situations, once your charges are withdrawn or stayed by the Crown, you don't have to go back to court. ... Stayed charges can be “brought back to life” within one year of the day they are stayed.”

What’s the difference between having charges withdrawn or stayed?

The decision by the Crown to stay or withdraw charges means they discontinue the prosecution. In both situations, once your charges are withdrawn or stayed by the Crown, you don’t have to go back to court.

However, there is one important difference. Stayed charges can be “brought back to life” within one year of the day they are stayed. While this tends to be rare, you should know that if you’re charged with new offences during the one year period after you’ve had charges stayed, the stayed charges could be brought back and the Crown could prosecute you on those same charges again. If charges are withdrawn, the prosecution of those charges is finished and those same charges can never be brought back.

What’s the difference between having charges withdrawn or stayed? | LawFacts

I hope the explanation above gives you all something new to discuss. It's 3:18 here in Oz so I'll bid you all goodnight.

The BC Prosecution Services (the Crown) has stated this was going to occur. “Abated” - to suspend or distinguish an action. A “Stay” - to discontinue the prosecution for some reason and in this case it’s because the suspects have been proven to be dead. Unless the two are brought back to life, the BC Prosecution Service is unable to continue proceedings within a year.

“The B.C. Prosecution Service said criminal charges don’t move forward once an accused is proven dead.

“We anticipate that the charge will be abated once the (prosecution service) receives official confirmation that the accused is deceased. That will conclude the prosecution,” spokesman Dan McLaughlin said in an email.“....”
Northern B.C. triple murder suspects died by suicides: RCMP

 

[MistyWaters]

Arrggghhh, perfect example of poor headline writing that is just vague and leaning toward the incorrect...

Crown files stay of proceedings on charges against B.C. teens suspected of 3 northern B.C. murders

It implies that that 3 charges were laid and then 3 charges were stayed. Lazy journalism, poor editing...

That link is not MSM.

 

[sandbar]

That link is not MSM.

No link in my post, but still an example of poor writing. And possibly how misconceptions start...

 

[kmclaren]

RCMP have not spoken about the case since Aug 12th, who are you referring to "they" not considering other suspects last week?

The RCMP seemed so confident about it though. Even last week they said there were no other suspects they were considering. So they most likely do have evidence. I don't know if they would make statements like that lightly, considering how high-profile this case is. I just hope we find out soon what that evidence was.

Like I said the other day, I can't imagine how infuriated and frustrated Kam and Bryer's families must be, that they're being told "your kids murdered three people because of reasons, take our word for it" and having that plastered all over the media, and not being given any evidence of why the police think that. It's probably just compounding their grief and trauma even more. I can't imagine all this secrecy is making them trust the veracity of the investigation's findings, either. The whole thing is just absolutely terrible.

But, for all we know the report might come out on Monday....

 

[NJSleuth91]

RCMP have not spoken about the case since Aug 12th, who are you referring to "they" not considering other suspects last week?

The article I posted on the last page had quotes from the RCMP that they said were from last week.

 

[Grouper]

The article I posted on the last page had quotes from the RCMP that they said were from last week.

Are you referring to this article?

A month after the manhunt for two murder suspects ended, here’s what we still don’t know | The Star

@kmclaren the article states that RCMP sent an email to the Vancouver Star the week of Sept 7, saying they still plan to do an update but have no idea what “form” it will take, or when the update will occur

Sorry if this makes no sense I am posting this while being badgered by a cranky toddler, but I did not see anything in the article saying RCMP are not considering other suspects?

 

[sandbar]

The article I posted on the last page had quotes from the RCMP that they said were from last week.

@kmclaren, that article, A month after the manhunt for two murder suspects ended, here’s what we still don’t know | The Star was written a few days ago but it's a recap or summary of what has happened so far. There is no new info as far as I see.

 

[Grouper]

RCMP have not spoken about the case since Aug 12th, who are you referring to "they" not considering other suspects last week?

Ah sorry, here’s a screenshot from the article saying they are NOT considering other suspects

A month after the manhunt for two murder suspects ended, here’s what we still don’t know | The Star

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Ah sorry, here’s a screenshot from the article saying they are NOT considering other suspects

A month after the manhunt for two murder suspects ended, here’s what we still don’t know | The Star

It almost sounds like they haven't received those reports back yet.

 

[Gina20]

Here are a couple of articles I hadn't read about Len Dyck. One is an interview with a BMSC colleague, and the other is an article the same colleague wrote in the New Bamfielder.

UBC professor killed in northern B.C. remembered as ‘loving husband and father’ with passion for nature | The Star

Louis Druehl, 82, a retired professor from Simon Fraser University, first met Dyck more than 20 years ago when Dyck was a graduate student. As marine botanists, the two would sometimes cross paths at the Bamfield Marine Sciences Centre on Vancouver Island, although they did not work together on any research projects.

“He loved to be outside and go out on the beach,” said Druehl, who lives in Bamfield....

Many of those years were spent studying seaweed in Vancouver Island’s Barkley Sound and the surrounding area, which may have began when he attended a field course in 1977 as an undergraduate at the Bamfield Marine Sciences Centre, located near the Sound.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw22fy4QNFohPoK8PFUTiY-Y&cshid=1568578013807

In it, he talks about how Bamfielders like Len are accustomed to stop and help travellers on the roads.

 

[Grouper]

It almost sounds like they haven't received those reports back yet.

True. That’s just the latest news we have. I would think that if they had even the slightest shred of doubt, however, that they would not make such a confident statement.

They would probably stay silent, or announce outright that there was another suspect being considered (less likely than staying silent on the issue, unless there was a threat to public safety).

It reads like they have no doubt about any other suspects and do not expect to find any evidence to the contrary. RCMP don’t seem the type to say anything unless they are 100% on it.

Also, the article sounds like we won’t be getting any further updates for several months.

JMO.

 

[Gina20]

Dbm