Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[Gina20]

Do we have a master list of:

1. The places Lucas travelled, dates, where he stayed, types of services he used for rides and rooms;

2. The same as above for Chynna.

3. The same as above for both of them travelling together.

4. Details of Chynna's trip to Hudson's Hope. Did she fly to Vancouver, then to Prince George? How did she get there? Where did she stay before Hudson's Hope?

 

[Pyecraft]

I get what you are saying, although, why would LE have to explain to the public why this person is no longer of any interest? LE interviews lots of people in certain cases. Should they publicly detail why people are brought in and what is said in each interview?

Agreed, I don't think they should.
Its tough work, but attention to a public perception doesn't appear to be included.

An rcmp response to a request for updates at one of the pressers, was answered bluntly:
We are not divulging any information because that would lead to copycat killings.

I find that an affront to our intellect frankly, insomuch that it can easily double as a cop-out, should the killings continue. And they have been chasing the wrong guys, for wrong reasons.

At ceremonies, rcmp ride upon high horses. It would do them good to get off them once in a while.

 

[SovereignSnake]

Those peels are pretty skinny and uniform .... looks like there is a larger piece of peel nearby on the ground. I'd like to know how they got those peels like that ...
ETA: I see other posters have suggestions as to what it could be other than orange peels, and it actually makes more sense that it is a burned out car part. JMO

I saw those too, I have to admit though, I'm not entirely convinced it's a strut and coil spring for a RAV. They're much bigger than that. I did some digging trying to find that article I got it from and of course they took it down! It was from a New Zealand media outlet and they had captioned the photo (there I go with that memory flexing again) with something like; "sardine cans, orange peels..." Now I might be seeing what I want to see but if you look at that photo again zoomed in, it looks like the pull tab for the lid on the side and also a label burned in the side of the can but I can't make it out clearly. I might be seeing things but I'm definitely seeing something. Here's a zoomed in copy I'll attach as well and an Amazon link to what 2011 Toyota RAV shocks and struts look like for comparison. Also, @whiterhino pointed out last night it looks like it was spiral cut neatly with a knife, like someone took their time eating that orange as opposed to already pre-sliced orange rings like you would get on the side of a drink at a bar or garnish for food. It's interesting it survived the fire, but you would be surprised what kind of random things can go through a fire almost completely unscathed. I also discovered what the circular drum looking thing is. It's a fan motor for the 2009-2011 RAV. I'll attach a photo for the generic version and let people judge for themselves.

https://www.amazon.com/Detroit-Axle-Springs-Absorbers-2006-2012/dp/B07GSGK4SG

P.S. This is the best I can do on the original article with this photo. You have to scroll down midway through the collection of stories. Of course the New Zealand site 404s.
Canada highway murders: Suspects Kam McLeod, Bryer Schmegelsky charged with second-degree murder today for third victim

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Does anyone know if they found matches at the scene of Kam's burnt truck? Just wondering if an accidental fire could have been a possibility.

 

[cartman]

This comment came after learning the two were named as murder suspects on July 24th.

He was also interviewed 2 days prior while the 2 were known to be missing and gives no indication he was aware of untoward actions whatsoever. Just ordinary kids....very different from the “blaze of glory” interview.

Extended video from Monday: Father of Port Alberni suspect in northern B.C. murder case speaks to CHEK News

Thank you for posting this, I had never seen that interview either. Does anyone else find it odd that AS was talking about things he wasn’t asked about? It doesn’t appear the clip was edited, the reporter didn’t ask many questions but yet he launched into talking about airsoft rifles and video games.
Maybe AS was given a set of questions she’d like to cover before the interview and that’s why he went in that direction... who knows?

It just seems like something is off to me. MOO.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Thank you for posting this, I had never seen that interview either. Does anyone else find it odd that AS was talking about things he wasn’t asked about? It doesn’t appear the clip was edited, the reporter didn’t ask many questions but yet he launched into talking about airsoft rifles and video games.
Maybe AS was given a set of questions she’d like to cover before the interview and that’s why he went in that direction... who knows?

It just seems like something is off to me. MOO.

I mean a lack of sleep, stress and worry could have clouded his judgement. I mean he could have offered anything that popped in his head that might help find his son.

 

[Grouper]

Thank you for posting this, I had never seen that interview either. Does anyone else find it odd that AS was talking about things he wasn’t asked about? It doesn’t appear the clip was edited, the reporter didn’t ask many questions but yet he launched into talking about airsoft rifles and video games.
Maybe AS was given a set of questions she’d like to cover before the interview and that’s why he went in that direction... who knows?

It just seems like something is off to me. MOO.

My best guess: a combination of unadulterated fear for his son and mental illness and probably lack of sleep turned him into a motor-mouth.

 

[Jan424]

I saw those too, I have to admit though, I'm not entirely convinced it's a strut and coil spring for a RAV. They're much bigger than that. I did some digging trying to find that article I got it from and of course they took it down! It was from a New Zealand media outlet and they had captioned the photo (there I go with that memory flexing again) with something like; "sardine cans, orange peels..." Now I might be seeing what I want to see but if you look at that photo again zoomed in, it looks like the pull tab for the lid on the side and also a label burned in the side of the can but I can't make it out clearly. I might be seeing things but I'm definitely seeing something. Here's a zoomed in copy I'll attach as well and an Amazon link to what 2011 Toyota RAV shocks and struts look like for comparison. Also, @whiterhino pointed out last night it looks like it was spiral cut neatly with a knife, like someone took their time eating that orange as opposed to already pre-sliced orange rings like you would get on the side of a drink at a bar or garnish for food. It's interesting it survived the fire, but you would be surprised what kind of random things can go through a fire almost completely unscathed. I also discovered what the circular drum looking thing is. It's a fan motor for the 2009-2011 RAV. I'll attach a photo for the generic version and let people judge for themselves.

https://www.amazon.com/Detroit-Axle-Springs-Absorbers-2006-2012/dp/B07GSGK4SG

P.S. This is the best I can do on the original article with this photo. You have to scroll down midway through the collection of stories. Of course the New Zealand site 404s.
Canada highway murders: Suspects Kam McLeod, Bryer Schmegelsky charged with second-degree murder today for third victim

Yep, when I keep looking at that photo, it does look like spiral orange peels around a soda can. I originally accepted that's what it was, even though I was questioning the skinny perfect spiral of the orange. I somehow can't envision Kam or Bryer doing that, but definitely could be wrong. Or maybe I'm just comparing it to the sloppy way I tend to peel an orange. One other thing, it looked to me like there was another piece of peel lying nearby ... a more ragged piece. Unless I'm starting to see things..... at this point, it is entirely possible!

 

[1987]

that spiral orange peel is way thick and round to be a orange peel. I think that is part of the burnt rav 4.

 

[Estrojane]

Agreed, I don't think they should.
Its tough work, but attention to a public perception doesn't appear to be included.

An rcmp response to a request for updates at one of the pressers, was answered bluntly:
We are not divulging any information because that would lead to copycat killings.

I find that an affront to our intellect frankly, insomuch that it can easily double as a cop-out, should the killings continue. And they have been chasing the wrong guys, for wrong reasons.

At ceremonies, rcmp ride upon high horses. It would do them good to get off them once in a while.

Totally understandable to me about not divulging info because it may lead to copycat killings. Especially if this was the boys' dream of playing out a violent video game in 3-D to satisfy their morbid leanings. I still think they were headed to Kettle Dam but had an incident with their boat and were now suffering of exposure.

I'm also not one that thinks the RCMP has been chasing the wrong guys.

 

[Grouper]

Totally understandable to me about not divulging info because it may lead to copycat killings. Especially if this was the boys' dream of playing out a violent video game in 3-D to satisfy their morbid leanings. I still think they were headed to Kettle Dam but had an incident with their boat and were now suffering of exposure.

I'm also not one that thinks the RCMP has been chasing the wrong guys.

It’s interesting to me how concerned the police seem to be with copycat behaviour, as if we do not live in a world that is already saturated with violent imagery that is directly accessible. Films, games, even books and documentaries. Let’s not forget Luca Magnotta was inspired by Basic Instinct. But I do understand the reasoning (limit the exposure as much as they can). I don’t know. It seems like a bit of a half-hearted reason for withholding information. Anyway, just my two unrelated cents here. I’m sure people will inevitably disagree, and that’s fine.

 

[srper2]

I get what you are saying, although, why would LE have to explain to the public why this person is no longer of any interest? LE interviews lots of people in certain cases. Should they publicly detail why people are brought in and what is said in each interview?

If the police have publicised a sketch of a person of interest, as they did in this case, they would usually say that the person has been found to not be a person of interest if this is the case. I think if this person was not involved, they would have come forward willingly, like other witnesses and would have wanted to offer any information they could to assist with the case. If this person did come forward, it would be expected police would at least report this happened, as they had already involved the public when they publicised the sketch.

 

[sandbar]

dbm

 

[acutename]

This may have been discussed, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat....

But, how was it determined that KM & BS were missing?

The parents "knew" where the boys were supposed to be, it had only been a short time between them leaving on their roadtrip and becoming "missing persons".... So who reported them missing and why?

My feeling is either one of their parents felt they had gone too long without communication and reported it to RCMP and the timing of it being so close to LF & CD's bodies being found is pure coincidence....

OR

The parents were notified by the RCMP that there was a need to locate the 2 urgently.... That implies that they were already aware of these 2, which in my mind means, they had enough evidence from LF&CD'S scene to direct them straight to the 2 boys....

OR

I'm just confused....

they became "missing" when their truck was found burnt

 

[sandbar]

they became "missing" when their truck was found burnt

...and a body (later IDed as LD) was found nearby, that was neither K nor B...

 

[LoisLane]

Do we have a master list of:

1. The places Lucas travelled, dates, where he stayed, types of services he used for rides and rooms;

2. The same as above for Chynna.

3. The same as above for both of them travelling together.

4. Details of Chynna's trip to Hudson's Hope. Did she fly to Vancouver, then to Prince George? How did she get there? Where did she stay before Hudson's Hope?

IIRC Chynna did that couch surfing site. Maybe Lucas did as well. I’m also thinking to have a more authentic experience they would try home stays maybe through a church group or work program? I know there is a world travel program through a mennonite site where you can stay with hosts for a suggested donation of $10. You have to register to access the directory. That’s a pretty amazing program and something I could see Chynna and Lucas using. It’s open to faith centred, Christian’s etc. (Not sure if Chynna or Lucas were Mormon).

I thought I had read somewhere that Lucas met Chynna in Calgary upon her arrival to Canada. I will see if I can find that.

 

[LoisLane]

- Met in Croatia 2018

Chynna Deese believed in ‘a future full of love and hope and adventure’ | The Star

“Once the American and the Australian found each other and fell in love while backpacking in Croatia in 2018, the two were always talking, and planning their next meeting — whether that meant saving up to travel the far reaches of the world or celebrating Christmas with one of their families.”

“Keen to learn, but in no rush to settle down, she earned a psychology degree, and immediately set off to go travelling, working as a bartender or on farms as she went, and making friends in each new location.”

“She did seasonal work all over Europe and South America, living in hostels or working at ranches and farms. Regularly, she would return to Charlotte and catch her family up on what she was doing.”

Two missing Canadian teens now suspected in murder of tourists
“The couple had met at a hostel in Croatia and their romance blossomed as they adventured across the US, Mexico, Peru and elsewhere, the woman’s older brother said.”

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there | The Star
“Deese arrived at the ranch a week before the couple left for the road trip, and she spent time helping Erika tag calf ears.”

A quick search so I haven’t found anything about CD being in Calgary.

Chynna: Chynna Deese
Countries I’ve Visited
Austria, Bahamas, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Egypt, England, France, Greece, Italy, Malta, Morocco, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Turkey, United States

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Google maps takes into account ferry time as well as drive time, at appx 24 hours. Advance tickets can be bought for the Nanaimo ferry so people need not wait in line and B’s great uncle said during an interview the plans were known in advance.

Yes, you can book a reservation for the ferry for an additional cost but I'm unsure these two were that organized to do so. I also think you need a credit card IIRC, doubtful they had that.

They were probably on "island time" and things aren't swift especially with BC Ferries. We are quite laid back on Vancouver Island compared to the mainland, but the ferries can slow lots down for anyone heading to the mainland as there's always a chance for delays (mechanical issues on boats/weather) and sometimes a 1 or 2 sailing wait (at 1.5hrs add on time per sail) due to volume especially in the summer.

Just wanted to add this info, as it can turn into a long trip just to get to the mainland. Curious how busy ferries were that day, they've been extremely busy the last 3 times I've taken them.

The crime did happen quite quickly after they left, JMO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

If this is true, I would think you only drive so hard if you're meeting someone, or have a definite schedule set. Alternatively, you'd be giving it so hard if you were being followed, or chased or simply trying to get far away from something pronto.
Either way, you are in a hurry.

Otherwise human nature would have you just drive the trip in a comfortable stride?

The roadtrips I took as a teenager/young adult (20 and under) were full of load music, speed, open windows, wind and an urgency to get to the destination! That was part of the freedom and adrenaline of being of the road. I thought everyone did that? lol... All MOO

 

[cdnjan]

I saw those too, I have to admit though, I'm not entirely convinced it's a strut and coil spring for a RAV. They're much bigger than that. I did some digging trying to find that article I got it from and of course they took it down! It was from a New Zealand media outlet and they had captioned the photo (there I go with that memory flexing again) with something like; "sardine cans, orange peels..." Now I might be seeing what I want to see but if you look at that photo again zoomed in, it looks like the pull tab for the lid on the side and also a label burned in the side of the can but I can't make it out clearly. I might be seeing things but I'm definitely seeing something. Here's a zoomed in copy I'll attach as well and an Amazon link to what 2011 Toyota RAV shocks and struts look like for comparison. Also, @whiterhino pointed out last night it looks like it was spiral cut neatly with a knife, like someone took their time eating that orange as opposed to already pre-sliced orange rings like you would get on the side of a drink at a bar or garnish for food. It's interesting it survived the fire, but you would be surprised what kind of random things can go through a fire almost completely unscathed. I also discovered what the circular drum looking thing is. It's a fan motor for the 2009-2011 RAV. I'll attach a photo for the generic version and let people judge for themselves.

https://www.amazon.com/Detroit-Axle-Springs-Absorbers-2006-2012/dp/B07GSGK4SG

P.S. This is the best I can do on the original article with this photo. You have to scroll down midway through the collection of stories. Of course the New Zealand site 404s.
Canada highway murders: Suspects Kam McLeod, Bryer Schmegelsky charged with second-degree murder today for third victim

Lots of work you have done. Thank You. Good work on the radiator fan motor. Now the pop can/orange peels? I sure don't think so. The top of the can is too small and at the bottom you can see a mount and bolt seemingly attached to it. I strongly believe it is simply part of the cooling system. The colored rings and extra piece of yellow/orange material seems to match the color on the fan motor. Spiral metal rings are often used to protect different hoses/metals from damage under the hood. Hard to figure out with no point of reference on sizes of "things" jmho while we wait for new .. news