Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #18

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  • #961
I saw a "JET" military shirt/jacket that appears to have been made the same, with same stitching, pockets, buttons etc, but the one here is a different camo design. By Alpha Industries, apparently a trendy brand that makes camo clothing, "field Jackets". They seem to have a heap of camo gear and it seems to change every year/season. His jacket and pants could be from there. Probably trendy for a teenager to wear while out with his friends playing airsoft. Apparently you can add a liner in cold weather.
JET Army Military Camouflage Button Shirt Mens Large | eBay and the Alpha shop: https://www.alphaindustries.com/mens-landing

Good one! That looks definitely like the closest version I've seen!

Still missing that stitching/pocket on the forearm though and the sleeve cuffs are different. Could be a design change some companies do year to year if not an official standard military design, totally guessing as I have no idea about this stuff.
 
  • #962
For what it's worth, BS was wearing a camo jacket that is available in army surplus stores and probably some online retailers too.

Army Surplus is just the name of a store, I don't believe it really means "army surplus". At least in Canada. There'd be hell to pay if the army here ordered so much extra that they could stock retail stores continuously.

"Army surplus" store just means it sells the type of army inventory that looks like and could pass for army surplus. Lots of kids (and adults too) like camo print for a variety of reasons but I doubt there is any connection between BS's camo gear and real Canadian army gear. JMO.

Good points about the stores, I never thought about it like that. Might not be actual real military garb he's wearing but newly manufactured retail/trendy style. My child likes camo too lol...

The store I used to go to as a teenager was actually used military clothes as there was a military base in our town. I actually don't think there was any new stuff in there. The cadet boots were a bit scuffed and used (had to go through them to find the newer, shinier ones) and pretty sure the jackets were vintage. Really cool store, not sure it was actually called Army Surplus as I can't remember.

Interesting now they're "retail" military-type stores selling this stuff new, although I imagine it's not tailored and made nearly as well. I love good canvas but notice the new one I bought from surplus store isn't stitched that great. Very curious if Bryer bought used or new, not that it really matters... I just went down the camo rabbit hole so want to know now lol
 
  • #963
I don't know what this means...

That term just kept coming up, I had to google it.

Apparently it means: Battle Dress Uniform (BDU) is a camouflaged combat uniform that was used by the United States Armed Forces as their standard combat uniform from the early 1980s to the mid-2000s.
 
  • #964
Good points about the stores, I never thought about it like that. Might not be actual real military garb he's wearing but newly manufactured retail/trendy style. My child likes camo too lol...

The store I used to go to as a teenager was actually used military clothes as there was a military base in our town. I actually don't think there was any new stuff in there. The cadet boots were a bit scuffed and used (had to go through them to find the newer, shinier ones) and pretty sure the jackets were vintage. Really cool store, not sure it was actually called Army Surplus as I can't remember.

Interesting now they're "retail" military-type stores selling this stuff new, although I imagine it's not tailored and made nearly as well. I love good canvas but notice the new one I bought from surplus store isn't stitched that great. Very curious if Bryer bought used or new, not that it really matters... I just went down the camo rabbit hole so want to know now lol
I think the origin of his camo jacket is only interesting in what it might have meant to B. A favorite jacket/coat/shirt/whatever can feel like a million bucks, feel like a shield, armour, an identity. Think motorcycle jacket, or Letterman's jacket. A jacket can be how you represent what you represent.
 
  • #965
They apparently drove straight from Port Alberni to the Site C Dam,

I have not seen anything that confirms they drove from Port Alberni to Site C Dam?

Can you please provide a link please
 
  • #966
I think the origin of his camo jacket is only interesting in what it might have meant to B. A favorite jacket/coat/shirt/whatever can feel like a million bucks, feel like a shield, armour, an identity. Think motorcycle jacket, or Letterman's jacket. A jacket can be how you represent what you represent.

In the video game "Rust" you make clothing to protect yourself. You can make a jacket and then add a "skin" to that jacket so that your character is wearing a camo jacket.

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I wonder what BS's character wore when he played the game? If it was a camo jacket, maybe that would add a little more weight to the idea that BS and KM were "playing the game" in the real world?

MOO
 
  • #967
In the video game "Rust" you make clothing to protect yourself. You can make a jacket and then add a "skin" to that jacket so that your character is wearing a camo jacket.

Jacket
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I wonder what BS's character wore when he played the game? If it was a camo jacket, maybe that would add a little more weight to the idea that BS and KM were "playing the game" in the real world?

MOO
Thanks for possibly linking the camo jacket to the video game Rust. B's reallife camo jacket is more like a shirt than a coat. In Rust is there a camo shirt? Could K have a Catahula t-shirt as a skin? Like, is clothing (or skin or whatever the right noun is) that customizable?

ETA: Is the pattern of camo customizable? I see the color is customizable from your link.
 
  • #968
Just did a quick search of Amazon for "airsoft gear" and it is surprising how many patterns of camo they offer as well as the bizarre headgear, that resembles a gas mask.

https://www.amazon.com/Richermall-P...d_t=101&pf_rd_i=3395271&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

This is a strange sport IMO but I do understand it to be extremely popular.

ETA: I have shown the pic of BS in his camo gear holding the rifle and the pic of him wearing the "gas mask" to some folks in my community that are involved in the airsoft sport, and they found nothing unusual about BS's attire. JMO
 
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Regarding Rust "skins" - it seems that you can make a shirt or a jacket or a tshirt along with many other items in the game. You can then buy a "skin" that modifies the look of that item.

Based on my quick search just now it seems there are quite a lot of skins available. There are online instructions on how to make skins for the game, but it seems that you have to submit them and have them accepted before they are usable by you or anyone else. (So probably you wouldn't have one that was completely unique to you). This could be because they have quality standards that they want these skins to meet and also because the skins raise revenue for the game maker.

Here's a link to some skin choices for the shirt:
Rust - Browse all skins, items and more
Here is a picture of a camo skin for the shirt.
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Please note that I have not played the game and thus my understanding of how this works is necessarily somewhat limited by that.

I am not picturing that there would be an exact match between BS's real life camo shirt and one his avatar might wear in the game - more like both real BS and Rust BS might be wearing a similar costume.

MOO.
 
  • #972
Just did a quick search of Amazon for "airsoft gear" and it is surprising how many patterns of camo they offer as well as the bizarre headgear, that resembles a gas mask.

https://www.amazon.com/Richermall-P...d_t=101&pf_rd_i=3395271&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

This is a strange sport IMO but I do understand it to be extremely popular.

ETA: I have shown the pic of BS in his camo gear holding the rifle and the pic of him wearing the "gas mask" to some folks in my community that are involved in the airsoft sport, and they found nothing unusual about BS's attire. JMO

Yeah, my guess is it was one of those.

Did they find the pictures creepy in any way, or is it standard for people into airsoft to take pictures like that where they are kind of trying to look threatening?
 
  • #973
Yeah, my guess is it was one of those.

Did they find the pictures creepy in any way, or is it standard for people into airsoft to take pictures like that where they are kind of trying to look threatening?

I find it strange, but NO the airsoft players I showed the pics to did not find them creepy at all. In fact they then proceeded to show me pictures of them dressed in their camo and bizarre face gear.
I find it quite creepy but they explained that it was very normal when one is involved in this "sport".
JMO
 
  • #974
Regarding Rust "skins" - it seems that you can make a shirt or a jacket or a tshirt along with many other items in the game. You can then buy a "skin" that modifies the look of that item.

Based on my quick search just now it seems there are quite a lot of skins available. There are online instructions on how to make skins for the game, but it seems that you have to submit them and have them accepted before they are usable by you or anyone else. (So probably you wouldn't have one that was completely unique to you). This could be because they have quality standards that they want these skins to meet and also because the skins raise revenue for the game maker.

Here's a link to some skin choices for the shirt:
Rust - Browse all skins, items and more
Here is a picture of a camo skin for the shirt.
rtOnLXYSD-u65eusOk-nO4hCpUCJo2NbCxc2U4Y51MLNQ5Hz3URG1UJcBu0sv2Ko-M1Zj0mvYmKzVOblhEzlZTmDqzUUnSAYyUNwwYIMBWvlr8zYFs9A8eDi


Please note that I have not played the game and thus my understanding of how this works is necessarily somewhat limited by that.

I am not picturing that there would be an exact match between BS's real life camo shirt and one his avatar might wear in the game - more like both real BS and Rust BS might be wearing a similar costume.

MOO.
Thanks! You know a LOT more than me...
 
  • #975
I may be totally wrong, but most of K's pictures are of his face, we don't see him in his world or in context. B, pitiful or evil, we see a bit of his world. We can place him in space, Kam is just floating...
SBM

This is true, but we can still glean some context from them, and I think the result is still more ostensibly normal than Bryer's world that we see in pictures.

One of the biggest differences I noticed is pictures of Bryer tend to be focusing on something he is proud of, as I have already posted. The focus isn't so much Bryer, but it is his gas mask, his airsoft rifle, his suit, his Slav squat skills, etc. Unless he is modeling his headset in that one pic, it's one of the only photos of him that I can think of where he's just being himself rather than apparently trying to show someone something. It's also, I'd argue, about the most normal picture I've seen of Bryer as a teen. As a result of the fact he almost always seems to be showing off something, there are a fair number of pics of him where he is obviously taking the photo (see thumb in his gas mask picture). And, with the exception of that one photo of him with Kam, Bryer is always alone.

In contrast, the handful of pictures of Kam seem to be about marking an occasion/specific moment, even if it isn't quite clear what that moment is. They are all also obviously not pictures that he is taking himself. (Between that and the fact that Kam doesn't have pictures of himself on social media, I really do think he didn't like having his picture taken and didn't initiate photos on his own.)

The close-up picture of him outside (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/teens-manhunt-homicides-mcleod-schmegelsky-1.5222515)--I am not 100% sure what that is behind him. Is it a vehicle trunk that's open? That's sure what it looks like to me. If so, seems like possibly a picture taken when packing for a road trip/camping trip.

In the picture of Kam that was initially circulated, it's cropped, but there is clearly some sort of social function going on. I think Kam is sitting next to someone who has been cropped out, but you can see a bit of what looks like their shirt next to him, and he is leaning in toward them, which is pretty normal in a picture. There also appears to be someone sitting behind him in a chair. (Canadian teen murder suspects killed themselves with guns, police reveal).

His graduation picture is harder to detect anything from because it's a canned photo op (If you ‘inadvertently’ helped two suspected killers escape, please come forward, RCMP urge), but I did notice he's wearing a white collared shirt with a black tie. Several guys on that page of the newspaper have a similar look, but not everybody does. Kam's collars are also a lot straighter than some of the other guys with a similar look. One guy is clearly in a T-shirt. Kam's outfit is a much more formal look than Bryer's purple shirt and tie suit would have been if such a graduation picture existed for him. Was there school guidelines for the picture that he followed? Or did his parents put their foot down and say, "Your graduation picture isn't going to be you in a Cathulu shirt, pal!" Who knows--but I still think it is something worth analyzing. He obviously put some effort into looking nice for that picture, whether it was under his own initiative or not. His hair even looks marginally less tousled and combed down!

Also, there are more pictures of Kam outside. (Not counting graduation picture since that seems to be the set style.) I'm really surprised Bryer didn't take the time to take his airsoft/camo pic outside, especially since the whole point of buying it for him, according to his dad, was to get him outside. Bryer almost always looks fairly pale in any picture of him. I assume he just had really fair skin. To me, Kam looks quite pallid in that surveillance footage, but in earlier pictures of him, he looks like he's been in a bit of sunshine. I'd never say he was tan, but he just doesn't look as pale. I think it's reasonable to assume since he was raised on the lake, he probably was outside more than Bryer. The only picture I can think of Bryer being outside is the one he's in with Kam, actually.

So, yeah, we can't glean a lot from Kam's world based on those photos, but what I do see still seems much less odd than Bryer and his sad Happy Birthday banner behind him while he's rocking a gas mask.

All MOO
 
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  • #976
I find it strange, but NO the airsoft players I showed the pics to did not find them creepy at all. In fact they then proceeded to show me pictures of them dressed in their camo and bizarre face gear.
I find it quite creepy but they explained that it was very normal when one is involved in this "sport".
JMO
In a way, that doesn't surprise me. I've never talked to anyone in the airsoft community, though my brother has some friends who are into it. From what I have read and gleaned, it seems like the real draw and focus of the sport is doing simulated battles, so it kind of makes sense that they'd all be in fatigues and military gear and not find it very odd for someone else to be doing that. MOO
 
  • #977
SBM

This is true, but we can still glean some context from them, and I think the result is still more ostensibly normal than Bryer's world that we see in pictures.

One of the biggest differences I noticed is pictures of Bryer tend to be focusing on something he is proud of, as I have already posted. The focus isn't so much Bryer, but it is his gas mask, his airsoft rifle, his suit, his Slav squat skills, etc. Unless he is modeling his headset in that one pic, it's one of the only photos of him that I can think of where he's just being himself rather than apparently trying to show someone something. It's also, I'd argue, about the most normal picture I've seen of Bryer as a teen. As a result of the fact he almost always seems to be showing off something, there are a fair number of pics of him where he is obviously taking the photo (see thumb in his gas mask picture). And, with the exception of that one photo of him with Kam, Bryer is always alone.

In contrast, the handful of pictures of Kam seem to be about marking an occasion/specific moment, even if it isn't quite clear what that moment is. They are all also obviously not pictures that he is taking himself. (Between that and the fact that Kam doesn't have pictures of himself on social media, I really do think he didn't like having his picture taken and didn't initiate photos on his own.)

The close-up picture of him outside (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/teens-manhunt-homicides-mcleod-schmegelsky-1.5222515)--I am not 100% sure what that is behind him. Is it a vehicle trunk that's open? That's sure what it looks like to me. If so, seems like possibly a picture taken when packing for a road trip/camping trip.

In the picture of Kam that was initially circulated, it's cropped, but there is clearly some sort of social function going on. I think Kam is sitting next to someone who has been cropped out, but you can see a bit of what looks like their shirt next to him, and he is leaning in toward them, which is pretty normal in a picture. There also appears to be someone sitting behind him in a chair. (Canadian teen murder suspects killed themselves with guns, police reveal).

His graduation picture is harder to detect anything from because it's a canned photo op (If you ‘inadvertently’ helped two suspected killers escape, please come forward, RCMP urge), but I did notice he's wearing a white collared shirt with a black tie. Several guys on that page of the newspaper have a similar look, but not everybody does. Kam's collars are also a lot straighter than some of the other guys with a similar look. One guy is clearly in a T-shirt. Kam's outfit is a much more formal look than Bryer's purple shirt and tie suit would have been if such a graduation picture existed for him. Was there school guidelines for the picture that he followed? Or did his parents put their foot down and say, "Your graduation picture isn't going to be you in a Cathulu shirt, pal!" Who knows--but I still think it is something worth analyzing. He obviously put some effort into looking nice for that picture, whether it was under his own initiative or not. His hair even looks marginally less tousled and combed down!

Also, there are more pictures of Kam outside. (Not counting graduation picture since that seems to be the set style.) I'm really surprised Bryer didn't take the time to take his airsoft/camo pic outside, especially since the whole point of buying it for him, according to his dad, was to get him outside. Bryer almost always looks fairly pale in any picture of him. I assume he just had really fair skin. To me, Kam looks quite pallid in that surveillance footage, but in earlier pictures of him, he looks like he's been in a bit of sunshine. I'd never say he was tan, but he just doesn't look as pale. I think it's reasonable to assume since he was raised on the lake, he probably was outside more than Bryer. The only picture I can think of Bryer being outside is the one he's in with Kam, actually.

So, yeah, we can't glean a lot from Kam's world based on those photos, but what I do see still seems much less odd than Bryer and his sad Happy Birthday banner behind him while he's rocking a gas mask.

All MOO
Beautiful, thoughtful, and so true. You opened my eyes. Thanks!
 
  • #978
I have not seen anything that confirms they drove from Port Alberni to Site C Dam?

Can you please provide a link please

There is no link. The key word was 'apparently.' If you ask google to map the route from Port Alberni to Liard Hot Springs, the shortest route goes through Fort St John. I was responding to several people wondering just why they might take that route. Site C is a plausible answer. So to clarify: If they took the most direct route from Port Alberni to Liard Hot Springs, then they drove straight from Port Alberni to site C.

Hopefully the RCMP will provide us some info on this. I'm very curious to know whether they actually made it to Whitehorse, or whether they seem to have abandoned that objective.
 
  • #979
I find it strange, but NO the airsoft players I showed the pics to did not find them creepy at all. In fact they then proceeded to show me pictures of them dressed in their camo and bizarre face gear.
I find it quite creepy but they explained that it was very normal when one is involved in this "sport".
JMO

As someone who has played I find it odd that anyone finds it creepy. :)
People have no problem with paintball....
It's really no different than that except less messy, and in My experience less painful.
 
  • #980
SBM

This is true, but we can still glean some context from them, and I think the result is still more ostensibly normal than Bryer's world that we see in pictures.

One of the biggest differences I noticed is pictures of Bryer tend to be focusing on something he is proud of, as I have already posted. The focus isn't so much Bryer, but it is his gas mask, his airsoft rifle, his suit, his Slav squat skills, etc. Unless he is modeling his headset in that one pic, it's one of the only photos of him that I can think of where he's just being himself rather than apparently trying to show someone something. It's also, I'd argue, about the most normal picture I've seen of Bryer as a teen. As a result of the fact he almost always seems to be showing off something, there are a fair number of pics of him where he is obviously taking the photo (see thumb in his gas mask picture). And, with the exception of that one photo of him with Kam, Bryer is always alone.

In contrast, the handful of pictures of Kam seem to be about marking an occasion/specific moment, even if it isn't quite clear what that moment is. They are all also obviously not pictures that he is taking himself. (Between that and the fact that Kam doesn't have pictures of himself on social media, I really do think he didn't like having his picture taken and didn't initiate photos on his own.)

The close-up picture of him outside (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/teens-manhunt-homicides-mcleod-schmegelsky-1.5222515)--I am not 100% sure what that is behind him. Is it a vehicle trunk that's open? That's sure what it looks like to me. If so, seems like possibly a picture taken when packing for a road trip/camping trip.

In the picture of Kam that was initially circulated, it's cropped, but there is clearly some sort of social function going on. I think Kam is sitting next to someone who has been cropped out, but you can see a bit of what looks like their shirt next to him, and he is leaning in toward them, which is pretty normal in a picture. There also appears to be someone sitting behind him in a chair. (Canadian teen murder suspects killed themselves with guns, police reveal).

His graduation picture is harder to detect anything from because it's a canned photo op (If you ‘inadvertently’ helped two suspected killers escape, please come forward, RCMP urge), but I did notice he's wearing a white collared shirt with a black tie. Several guys on that page of the newspaper have a similar look, but not everybody does. Kam's collars are also a lot straighter than some of the other guys with a similar look. One guy is clearly in a T-shirt. Kam's outfit is a much more formal look than Bryer's purple shirt and tie suit would have been if such a graduation picture existed for him. Was there school guidelines for the picture that he followed? Or did his parents put their foot down and say, "Your graduation picture isn't going to be you in a Cathulu shirt, pal!" Who knows--but I still think it is something worth analyzing. He obviously put some effort into looking nice for that picture, whether it was under his own initiative or not. His hair even looks marginally less tousled and combed down!

Also, there are more pictures of Kam outside. (Not counting graduation picture since that seems to be the set style.) I'm really surprised Bryer didn't take the time to take his airsoft/camo pic outside, especially since the whole point of buying it for him, according to his dad, was to get him outside. Bryer almost always looks fairly pale in any picture of him. I assume he just had really fair skin. To me, Kam looks quite pallid in that surveillance footage, but in earlier pictures of him, he looks like he's been in a bit of sunshine. I'd never say he was tan, but he just doesn't look as pale. I think it's reasonable to assume since he was raised on the lake, he probably was outside more than Bryer. The only picture I can think of Bryer being outside is the one he's in with Kam, actually.

So, yeah, we can't glean a lot from Kam's world based on those photos, but what I do see still seems much less odd than Bryer and his sad Happy Birthday banner behind him while he's rocking a gas mask.

All MOO

The first photo I saw of Kam being circulated looks like it was taken in a restaurant gathered round a table. Then his family put out his graduation photo which if I'm timing correctly based on his physical appearance and how green and full everything is in the background I want to say late August or early September 2017? Does that sound too long ago? We usually did our photos the summer/late summer/early fall just before or the start of our senior year of high school. In Canada they graduate at the end of June typically as I've come to understand? He looks way more grown up in the Meadow Lake footage, like he definitely got taller and more chiseled in the face since those photos his dad posted were taken. I do agree, I don't think he likes being photographed. I tend not to either, especially when someone shoves a camera right in my face. I'll do it for them if they have their heart set on a photo with me but I'd rather not. Anyway, then that most recent photo his parents put out looks like it was also taken in late summer or early fall of 2018. Definitely the back hatch of a minivan or an SUV is raised and I can't tell if that's a pontoon covered on the left side of the photo or a popup camper. Just some more observation and speculation as always.
 
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