Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[LadyL]

I actually suspect Kam's employment at WM predated Bryer's for a few months. One reason is some articles have reported they worked there several months and others 5 weeks. Based on the message from Bryer's dad about a second pay check, I think Bryer was definitely only there for five weeks, but I'm wondering if the reports about several months are from Kam's time there.

Another reason I think he was employed there longer is Bryer's grandma's neighbor said she never remembered seeing Kam at her house or on their street, but she remembered him from WM and even shared an anecdote of him being helpful. I don't think an employee who's only been on the job a month, especially one who only ever worked night shifts, is going to be that memorable to a customer. But one who has been there several months? Definitely. In fact, the article where she talks about Kam and WM mentions "months" at WM.
RCMP continue search for suspects in three B.C. slayings

In a way, I would be surprised if he wasn't working pretty soon after his graduation in 2018. I suspect his parents would be fine with a job at WM but not him just sitting around playing video games all day once he finished school. MOO

I don't trust her report. She said she ran into them 'all the time' but our sleuthers here noted that that location was not open overnight and the two murderers worked overnights. I mean it's possible Kam worked days but then when was he in school?

ETA: maybe she saw him on the weekends

 

[Zella]

I don't trust her report. She said she ran into them 'all the time' but our sleuthers here noted that that location was not open overnight and the two murderers worked overnights. I mean it's possible Kam worked days but then when was he in school?

He graduated in June of 2018. If he worked nights with Bryer for a few weeks this summer, it doesn't preclude him from having worked days for several months beforehand. MOO

And of course the reports about them only working nights may well have been inaccurate, too.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I just am not convinced they are responsible for Lucas and Chynna's murder. I'm basing my opinion on what we do know.

Chynna and Lucas were found dead early morning on the 15th. There was a short window they could have been killed. Bryer had texted his dad at 8:24 on the 12th stating they were going to Alberta, so let's assume they hadn't left the city yet at this point. Also, has it been determined which ferry they took to get to the mainland? There is a ferry in Nanaimo and one in Port Hardy.

Let's assume they took the ferry from Nanaimo to Vancouver. It is an hour and a half on an average drive from Port Alberni to Nanaimo. Then there is the line up for the ferry, plus it takes an hour and half to get across to Vancouver. So they'd have reached the mainlands by early to mid-afternoon at the earliest. If they took the ferry from Port Hardy to Prince Rupert, there would have been a four and half hour drive from Port Alberni to the ferry. The ferry from what I've looked up runs less than the one in Nanaimo and they wouldn't have arrived in Prince Rupert for 14 hours plus. Then there is the drive to Liard River Hot Springs. Then favour in construction and any delays in travel that could occur.

Then they were seen in Jade City on the 18th which is a direct route from Whitehorse, the destination they at the very least told Bryer's grandmother they were heading. So they could have made it to Whitehorse or close to Whitehorse, and decided to turn around and go to Alberta and went through Jade City. I know they say they are linked to the crime scene but since we don't know how they are linked, then I can assume maybe it was an eye witness or something. Also, they were never formally charged with any of their murders so I assumed they didn't have enough evidence in order too.

Also, was it ever released what Mr. Dyck's cause of death was? Because it can't be disputed that they at least crossed the path. I'm wondering if it was confirmed that the truck was deliberately set versus maybe catching on fire because of some electrical problems? The truck was an older year's vehicle so not unheard of. Either way, they took off with his car, and he was found dead so not surprised that they were charged with 2nd-degree murder.

I have been studying their movements. I have looked at the surveillance footage of them in Meadow Lake. Maybe it's just me but Kam looks very tense. I'm wondering if he was just aimless wandering around the store to clear his mind where Bryer looks calm. I can't help but wonder if Kam assuming they were responsible in one or both murders even thought about murder. He came from a stable family, had his vehicle and other means. We haven't heard anything about Kam that was questionable, so it's safe to assume he might have been dragged into all of this. Like it has been said, he had more to lose then Bryer did.

Between there DNA, gun ballistics, and whatever were on their phones when they were found should determine if they were ultimately involved or not.

 

[copkid]

He graduated in June of 2018. If he worked nights with Bryer for a few weeks this summer, it doesn't preclude him from having worked days for several months beforehand. MOO

And of course the reports about them only working nights may well have been inaccurate, too.

The store may have been closed at 11:00pm but they would have a night crew bringing in inventory and stocking shelves, cleaning, organizing etc. All the tasks that are difficult to do with a store full of people.

The Walmart in my community has a night crew. JMO

 

[Zella]

The store may have been closed at 11:00pm but they would have a night crew bringing in inventory and stocking shelves, cleaning, organizing etc. All the tasks that are difficult to do with a store full of people.

The Walmart in my community has a night crew. JMO

Yes, I am sure they have a night crew there and that Kam and Bryer may have been on it at some point. (Wal-Marts in my area are 24-7, so they don't close for that stuff, though it would probably run more smoothly if they did.)

I just don't see any reason to disqualify the testimony of the one lady who says she remembers seeing Kam working at WM and him helping her (as tall and distinctive-looking as as he was, I doubt she was confusing him with another employee), especially since the news articles can't even agree on how long the 2 of them worked there!

All MOO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Did someone say they sleuthed Kam's video surveillance t-shirt and you can get it on Amazon?

Sorry if discussed already way back...
I can't remember if his other t-shirt he wore on IG was looked into. Nothing spectacular, I guess I only find it odd that's it's Under Armour brand which I always thought was kinda trendy/sporty/brand-name and something Kam wouldn't be into. Maybe he just liked the graphic on it?

The Under Armour® Lethal Skull Charged Cotton® T Shirt for Men works as well at the lake or on the trail as it does at the gym. Tough enough for whatever you have planned, the Lethal Skull tee combines UA's fast drying Charged Cotton construction, a loose fit design, and several performance technologies to keep you comfortable. The shirt's loose-fit cut gives you an enhanced range of motion and breathable comfort. Comfortable and light, UA Charged Cotton fabric wicks moisture, drying up to 5 times faster than regular cotton without skimping on any of cotton's traditional fit, comfort, and feel. HeatGear® Traditional Moisture Transport speeds drying even more, pulling perspiration away from your skin to the surface of the shirt. Anti-odor technology resists odor-causing bacteria to keep the shirt feeling and smelling fresher.

Under Armour Lethal Skull Charged Cotton T Shirt for Men | Bass Pro Shops

 

[Zella]

Did someone say they sleuthed Kam's video surveillance t-shirt and you can get it on Amazon?

Sorry if discussed already way back...
I can't remember if his other t-shirt he wore on IG was looked into. Nothing spectacular, I guess I only find it odd that's it's Under Armour brand which I always thought was kinda trendy/sporty/brand-name and something Kam wouldn't be into. Maybe he just liked the graphic on it?

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The Under Armour® Lethal Skull Charged Cotton® T Shirt for Men works as well at the lake or on the trail as it does at the gym. Tough enough for whatever you have planned, the Lethal Skull tee combines UA's fast drying Charged Cotton construction, a loose fit design, and several performance technologies to keep you comfortable. The shirt's loose-fit cut gives you an enhanced range of motion and breathable comfort. Comfortable and light, UA Charged Cotton fabric wicks moisture, drying up to 5 times faster than regular cotton without skimping on any of cotton's traditional fit, comfort, and feel. HeatGear® Traditional Moisture Transport speeds drying even more, pulling perspiration away from your skin to the surface of the shirt. Anti-odor technology resists odor-causing bacteria to keep the shirt feeling and smelling fresher.

Under Armour Lethal Skull Charged Cotton T Shirt for Men | Bass Pro Shops

Thanks for finding this! I had googled the logo for this shirt just to see what it was but never actively read the description.

I have found Kam's Cathulu shirt on several specialty T-shirt sites. I didn't find it on Amazon, but it would not surprise me if it were available there.

The description of the Under Armour shirt again makes me wonder if Kam did more outdoorsy stuff in general than Bryer. Maybe not too surprising since he was raised by the lake. But I can also definitely see him digging the graphic and wanting it for that reason alone.

I've noticed in general that in the limited number of pictures I have seen, Kam's clothing, though never what anyone would probably consider trendy, does seem to skew more toward T-shirts (you can see a T-shirt collar in some of his cropped pics, even though you can't see what the shirt is) and seems a little more lively than Bryer's wardrobe for that reason. It was actually kind of striking to me how little I saw Bryer in anything with a logo on it. The only thing I can really think of in Bryer's wardrobe that I have seen in pictures that was even remotely flashy was that suit.

All MOO

 

[Iwondertoo]

DBM

 

[Iwondertoo]

Thanks for finding this! I had googled the logo for this shirt just to see what it was but never actively read the description.

I have found Kam's Cathulu shirt on several specialty T-shirt sites. I didn't find it on Amazon, but it would not surprise me if it were available there.

The description of the Under Armour shirt again makes me wonder if Kam did more outdoorsy stuff in general than Bryer. Maybe not too surprising since he was raised by the lake. But I can also definitely see him digging the graphic and wanting it for that reason alone.

I've noticed in general that in the limited number of pictures I have seen, Kam's clothing, though never what anyone would probably consider trendy, does seem to skew more toward T-shirts (you can see a T-shirt collar in some of his cropped pics, even though you can't see what the shirt is) and seems a little more lively than Bryer's wardrobe for that reason. It was actually kind of striking to me how little I saw Bryer in anything with a logo on it. The only thing I can really think of in Bryer's wardrobe that I have seen in pictures that was even remotely flashy was that suit.

All MOO

I've wondered about their wardrobe too.

BS seems to wear basic clothes without logo's. That could very well be because those clothes are less expensive.

Or maybe he just didn't want any reason to stand out? I wonder. He could have been more comfortable staying in the background. And there's nothing wrong with that, I dress much the same way.

When I first saw the pic of BS wearing his suit, it made me sad. I thought he looked genuinely happy and proud. It was nice to see. It's like he had a moment to shine.

And then it all went to hell...

Just thoughts.

JMO

 

[JudgeJudi]

My guess is any death scene photos of the two of them would fall under the category of "NSFL." They were shipped to Winnipeg in tightly sealed metal coffins for a reason.

I think it's standard that metal containers (coffins) are used when transporting remains by air. It doesn't necessarily mean that the remains are so decomposed that they are leaking, etc.

Air Canada Cargo (AC)

Requirements: Non-cremated remains

International shipments
Non-cremated human remains must be placed in a hermetically sealed and metal-lined casket. The casket must be placed in an air tray. We accept human remains shipments in used air trays, except if death was caused by an infectious disease, or if the remains are in an advanced state of decomposition

Domestic shipments
A casket containing human remains will be accepted when the outer container consists of one of the following:

•Outside shipping box having six (6) handles;
•Single-wall (double-faced) corrugated sheeting;
•Soft-pack container (canvas, plastic or other fabric) or
•Rigid tray-type container with protective cover.

Cremated remains
Cremated remains must be transported in funeral urns that are securely protected from damage by cushioned packaging.

Air Canada Cargo (AC)

From the images we've seen, the remains appear to have complied with international, as opposed to domestic, requirements no doubt due to an advanced state of decomposition.

 

[Pyecraft]

Thought I'd follow on from when the rav4 was found burning. Looking for a time of the suicides, as always, it seems to pose more questions than answers.

From an official rcmp statement, long before the bodies were discovered:
Statement from the Assistant Commissioner Jane MacLatchy on the reduction of resources deployed in the Gillam area | Royal Canadian Mounted Police
clipped:
On the afternoon of July 23rd, the Manitoba RCMP became aware that two murder suspects from BC could be in our Province. An RCMP plane with infrared capabilities was also deployed and conducted an aerial search of the area that same evening.

This is awkward. It would be natural to begin the infra-red search by flying over the vehicle site, yet no readings were reported. Surely investigators would have tried this more than one time and at different times of the day/night? The two suspects couldn't have trekked very far in such terrain by the evening of the first plane deployment. So, were they already dead by then?

 

[SovereignSnake]

After all the talk yesterday of the RAV and the possibility they crashed I had to go back and look at this video. It was mentioned that Bill Beardy said he thought they pushed it, but then there's matches still on the road. Is it just me or does that sound really odd lighting a vehicle on fire and then pushing it in the ditch? Unless it's a long way down and very steep sure. It's possible they pushed it but you look at the video and then the photos of how far in the ditch they were it's as if they would have had to have been driving rather than giving it a shove down that slight embankment. It doesn't look steep enough to have made it that far with a push whilst beginning to burn. Also, setting it on fire on the literal side of the road and then pushing it in I would have felt rushed vs hidden down in the ditch for a while, to contemplate the next move. ~Just another observation and opinion.

 

[Bluedaisy100]

Great video! Never saw it before. BTW the guide has a South African accent.

 

[Jan424]

Did someone say they sleuthed Kam's video surveillance t-shirt and you can get it on Amazon?

Sorry if discussed already way back...
I can't remember if his other t-shirt he wore on IG was looked into. Nothing spectacular, I guess I only find it odd that's it's Under Armour brand which I always thought was kinda trendy/sporty/brand-name and something Kam wouldn't be into. Maybe he just liked the graphic on it?

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The Under Armour® Lethal Skull Charged Cotton® T Shirt for Men works as well at the lake or on the trail as it does at the gym. Tough enough for whatever you have planned, the Lethal Skull tee combines UA's fast drying Charged Cotton construction, a loose fit design, and several performance technologies to keep you comfortable. The shirt's loose-fit cut gives you an enhanced range of motion and breathable comfort. Comfortable and light, UA Charged Cotton fabric wicks moisture, drying up to 5 times faster than regular cotton without skimping on any of cotton's traditional fit, comfort, and feel. HeatGear® Traditional Moisture Transport speeds drying even more, pulling perspiration away from your skin to the surface of the shirt. Anti-odor technology resists odor-causing bacteria to keep the shirt feeling and smelling fresher.

Under Armour Lethal Skull Charged Cotton T Shirt for Men | Bass Pro Shops

I’m guessing Kam was more into the skull graphics of the shirt rather than the fabric performance. I saw the cathulhu shirt on a couple of websites. However, I could only find that design on hats available on Amazon.

 

[KR72]

SBM

From the images we've seen, the remains appear to have complied with international, as opposed to domestic, requirements no doubt due to an advanced state of decomposition.

The remains were being flown from Gillam to Winnipeg for autopsy, not on an Air Canada flight but I'm sure they were sealed in those metal caskets was standard practice for the RCMP for decomposing bodies as well.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Another thing that doesn't make sense to me was that it has me questioning that going out and killing was their objective is poor planning unless like Bryer's dad said, that a suicide mission was their ultimate goal. I mean wouldn't it have made more sense for them to keep using Kam's truck? I mean who would expect two teens to go out and killing random people? They could stopped and dropped off a few resumes, changed and/or dispose of their clothing and kept ongoing. They had to know that burning their truck so close to a dead body was going to bring attention to them.

 

[Moriarty]

I actually suspect Kam's employment at WM predated Bryer's for a few months. One reason is some articles have reported they worked there several months and others 5 weeks. Based on the message from Bryer's dad about a second pay check, I think Bryer was definitely only there for five weeks, but I'm wondering if the reports about several months are from Kam's time there.

I think you're right, @Zella and I think some of the confusion might be coming from AS's interview for CHEK tv. I think AS states what he knows is true for Bryer, that he worked there for a few weeks, and conflates it for both of them, without really knowing any details about Kam.

Without anymore details, it's possible that Kam did work there for the a period of time before Bryer, and he may have worked any shifts. When Bryer started, Kam may have switched shifts to work nights with his buddy. JMO

 

[FactFinder3000]

After all the talk yesterday of the RAV and the possibility they crashed I had to go back and look at this video. It was mentioned that Bill Beardy said he thought they pushed it, but then there's matches still on the road. Is it just me or does that sound really odd lighting a vehicle on fire and then pushing it in the ditch? Unless it's a long way down and very steep sure. It's possible they pushed it but you look at the video and then the photos of how far in the ditch they were it's as if they would have had to have been driving rather than giving it a shove down that slight embankment. It doesn't look steep enough to have made it that far with a push whilst beginning to burn. Also, setting it on fire on the literal side of the road and then pushing it in I would have felt rushed vs hidden down in the ditch for a while, to contemplate the next move. ~Just another observation and opinion.

Yeah, I kind of dismissed his claim that it was pushed there. I'm just not seeing it.

It's possible it ran out of gas, but then why not push it down the side street? Why would the torch it on the side of the main road when they were right at a side street?

 

[Zella]

I think you're right, @Zella and I think some of the confusion might be coming from AS's interview for CHEK tv. I think AS states what he knows is true for Bryer, that he worked there for a few weeks, and conflates it for both of them, without really knowing any details about Kam.

Without anymore details, it's possible that Kam did work there for the a period of time before Bryer, and he may have worked any shifts. When Bryer started, Kam may have switched shifts to work nights with his buddy. JMO

Exactly! I think that is also true of the graduation. Alan was talking about his son finishing school this year (though I still don't think Bryer actually graduated), but it became conflated as Kam graduating this year too until folks realized he graduated the year before.

 

[Zella]

I've wondered about their wardrobe too.

BS seems to wear basic clothes without logo's. That could very well be because those clothes are less expensive.

Or maybe he just didn't want any reason to stand out? I wonder. He could have been more comfortable staying in the background. And there's nothing wrong with that, I dress much the same way.

When I first saw the pic of BS wearing his suit, it made me sad. I thought he looked genuinely happy and proud. It was nice to see. It's like he had a moment to shine.

And then it all went to hell...

Just thoughts.

JMO

That's a good point about cost. I hadn't considered it--but I think that is certainly possible.

I had also just assumed he liked staying in the background.

Bryer's suit picture makes me sad, too. I think it's the most I ever saw him smile as a teenager, but his smile still looks like it never reaches his eyes.