Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[LoisLane]

“On Thursday morning, an RCMP investigator showed Al Schmegelsky and his lawyer the 30-second clip, which is one of a handful of videos The Globe and Mail has learned Bryer Schmegelsky and Kam McLeod recorded while on the run at the end of July and start of August.

Two sources familiar with the investigation confirmed these other videos existed but could not corroborate the contents of the different clips shot by the pair from Port Alberni, B.C. The Globe granted them confidentiality because they were not authorized to speak publicly about the investigation.”
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“Sarah Leamon, a Vancouver-based lawyer who recently began representing Mr. Schmegelsky, said her client had “regular contact and spoke on a regular basis” with his son. She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July for what he described as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work.”
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B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Also interesting is in this article AS described it as a road trip to the Yukon to look for work whereas before he had the Alberta version of the story from BS via text message.

 

[KR72]

And in BS’s case it sounds like it was both parents.

Yes help is readily available but it still involves being in the right place at the right time with the right people. Many can’t do it alone and do require assistance getting in the door.

What did BS's mom do?

 

[LoisLane]

What did BS's mom do?

I believe she works at a homeless shelter in PA. Something along those lines.

ETA.. do you mean for work or do you mean something else?

ETA... sorry, tired!
I don’t know specifics about the family court. A child caught between two parents is trauma enough. BS lived with his mom and then with his grandmother. Something wasn’t working. Even in death there’s is a power struggle over their son. In today’s news AS said he hasn’t been included with funeral or burial arrangements. BS was caught in the middle, no way he didn’t suffer on both ends of the parenting realm.

 

[NJSleuth91]

She confirmed the two were “in recent communication” after his son left town in July

SBM

Yeah, I'm really curious to know more about this, if it was just a weird phrasing by the article, or not. I imagine the RCMP would have told Bryer's dad not to tell anyone about any communications pertinent to the investigation, probably under threat of jail time.

 

[Esprite]

An interesting article from the New York Times regarding the impact of the murders on the people of Port Alberni.

Hometown of Canadian Teenage Murder Suspects Grapples With Infamy

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Catching up... If the NP article didn't have a typo and LD's death is still yet to be determined, I'm wondering if it's because of multiple injuries without one defined COD?

Sorry to be morbid/graphic here... maybe beat, 1 or 2 non life threatening gunshots, maybe run over if still able to walk after shot, stabbed, maybe even partially burned - so even if autopsy done hard to determine one actual COD.

If there was internal injuries, heart attack after the traumatic event, broken bones, blood loss - not one factor so might be hard to determine. Maybe he was violently immobilized but still alive (hence 2nd degree) so could be a couple CODs combined, but I think you can only have one COD on death certificate (guessing).

 

[Iwondertoo]

Catching up... If the NP article didn't have a typo and LD's death is still yet to be determined, I'm wondering if it's because of multiple injuries without one defined COD?

Sorry to be morbid/graphic here... maybe beat, 1 or 2 non life threatening gunshots, maybe run over if still able to walk after shot, maybe even partially burned - so even if autopsy done hard to determine one actual COD.

If there was internal injuries, heart attack after the traumatic event, broken bones, blood loss - not one factor so might be hard to determine. Maybe he was violently immobilized but still alive (hence 2nd degree) so could be a couple CODs combined, but I think you can only have one COD on death certificate (guessing).

Personally, I don't believe that the authorities have not found the cause of death of LD.

They know.

I do think there has been a lot of flagrancy with the way reporters have written their stories. Single words matter.

There has been a lot of erroneous words written in the reporting of this story and for those of us following, we know we can't believe everything as it is written.

Sorry to be morbid/graphic here... maybe beat, 1 or 2 non life threatening gunshots, maybe run over if still able to walk after shot, maybe even partially burned - so even if autopsy done hard to determine one actual COD.

I wish people would stop giving even some credence to the thought that LD had been partially burned.

The thought came from one poster who has been asked many times to provide proof. He never has. Could we drop that line of thought please?

 

[LoisLane]

FWIW wording about the videos in a tweet - from Mike Hager who co-wrote the Globe article:

“The father of #BryerSchmegelsky has now seen the video clip his son recorded before he and #KamMcLeod killed themselves in the wilds of Manitoba. @globeandmail has now confirmed the murder suspects took a handful of other videos whilst on the run:”
B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Mike Hager on Twitter

His co-journalist Andrea Woo:
“Homicide suspects Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky took a handful of videos of themselves while on the run, including a last will and testament before they took their own lives:”
Andrea Woo | 鄔瑞楓 on Twitter

 

[Lalalacasbah]

There has been a lot of erroneous words written in the reporting of this story and for those of us following, we know we can't believe everything as it is written.

Yes, I am following too and we all know we can't believe everything written especially by MSM who have their own agendas. I'd like to think LE know COD and probably do however, it's possible it could be complex or taking time. There have been deaths where they don't always know exact COD or sometimes difference of medical opinions (doubtful in this case).

I wish people would stop giving even some credence to the thought that LD had been partially burned.

The thought came from one poster who has been asked many times to provide proof. He never has. Could we drop that line of thought please?

I am not giving credence to a particular poster at all, sorry. I'm weighing options and theorizing possibilities that are hypothetical, have been discussed (and not discussed) and actually possible. Everyone can theorize and think how they like, MOO.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

An interesting article from the New York Times regarding the impact of the murders on the people of Port Alberni.

Hometown of Canadian Teenage Murder Suspects Grapples With Infamy

Thanks for the post, interesting article. Always like to read the comments as well, lots of differentiating comments about the culture of the town.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I wish people would stop giving even some credence to the thought that LD had been partially burned.

The thought came from one poster who has been asked many times to provide proof. He never has. Could we drop that line of thought please?

It was Vancouver criminal lawyer Paul Doroshenko who said that "his body was burnt" during an interview for CBC. As far as I know, however, he has no special connection to the case. It therefore seems reasonable to assume that he is simply mistaken.

Anyway, that's the source, and I think it is quite unfortunate that folks won't let it go. But that's the nature of this board.

Interview is here, comment is at 5:03: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1584469571997

 

[Esprite]

Thanks for the post, interesting article. Always like to read the comments as well, lots of differentiating comments about the culture of the town.

Yes, indeed, and far too many comments are from outside Canada. I also found the comment about the young men being 'eaten alive by sand flies' quite compelling.

 

[Esprite]

It was Vancouver criminal lawyer Paul Doroshenko who said that "his body was burnt" during an interview for CBC. As far as I know, however, he has no special connection to the case. It therefore seems reasonable to assume that he is simply mistaken.

Anyway, that's the source, and I think it is quite unfortunate that folks won't let it go. But that's the nature of this board.

Interview is here, comment is at 5:03: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1584469571997

“The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.” ~ William Shakespeare

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Yes, indeed, and far too many comments are from outside Canada. I also found the comment about the young men being 'eaten alive by sand flies' quite compelling.

So, true. It's easy to be unaware of what's happening in our own country and other provinces in terms of culture/landscape and environments! I remember lots of mosquito bites as a kid growing up in Southern Alberta lol

I used to read the crime stories in Vanity Fair magazine years ago and they describe the towns/atmospheres so it's interesting to read a NYT article describing the island I live on. I've only driven through PA a couple times but have friends from there who are down to earth and solid people.

 

[Iwondertoo]

It was Vancouver criminal lawyer Paul Doroshenko who said that "his body was burnt" during an interview for CBC. As far as I know, however, he has no special connection to the case. It therefore seems reasonable to assume that he is simply mistaken.

Anyway, that's the source, and I think it is quite unfortunate that folks won't let it go. But that's the nature of this board.

Interview is here, comment is at 5:03: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1584469571997

Thank you for that.

It explains a lot.

 

[musicaljoke]

...That is really surprising to me also. What's in it for them? Why risk their jobs over that? I wonder if it's actually authorized but they're saying it isn't for some reason.

Could the sources be AS and his lawyer?

Moo

 

[Pyecraft]

SBM

Yeah, I'm really curious to know more about this, if it was just a weird phrasing by the article, or not. I imagine the RCMP would have told Bryer's dad not to tell anyone about any communications pertinent to the investigation, probably under threat of jail time.

Sorry, always checking that nuts and bolts are tightened ...

My vague understanding is that rcmp contacted BS's mom only (legal parent), once the burned out truck was identified and linked to KM's family. AS needed to be unearthed by msm, which only then caused rcmp to 'speak' with him. AS did not volunteer the rcmp any of the contact info he had regarding continuing contact with his son-on-the-run, but preferred bleating his pitiful 'going down blazing' malarkey to the media instead. If this timeline is correct, then wouldn't that constitute AS withholding evidence in a murder enquiry?

Could explain his silence since the 60 minutes recording and hence need for a lawyer, also rcmp initial reluctance to allow him view the video would be complicated, if legal charges were being considered. Aware of ongoing contact between father and son, could the rcmp have traced BS location in real time, saving much cost and potential killings?

I'm probably wrong, but I doubt that minor technicality will reduce my loathing for AS any.

 

[sandbar]

As a social worker, I can assure you that help is easily accessed, but psychological assessment would be the first step to get the ball rolling. This is because it's possible that social workers put their own lives at risk working with volatile individuals, who often lay the blame on perceived authority figures, and take no responsibility for their own actions.

Hi I agree with everything you say! But you have to admit there are barriers to access that are systematic. I agree that people who work within that system give their all.

 

[KR72]

I believe she works at a homeless shelter in PA. Something along those lines.

ETA.. do you mean for work or do you mean something else?

ETA... sorry, tired!
I don’t know specifics about the family court. A child caught between two parents is trauma enough. BS lived with his mom and then with his grandmother. Something wasn’t working. Even in death there’s is a power struggle over their son. In today’s news AS said he hasn’t been included with funeral or burial arrangements. BS was caught in the middle, no way he didn’t suffer on both ends of the parenting realm.

Ah, gotcha. I was just wondering if something new came out.

 

[MistyWaters]

FWIW wording about the videos in a tweet - from Mike Hager who co-wrote the Globe article:

“The father of #BryerSchmegelsky has now seen the video clip his son recorded before he and #KamMcLeod killed themselves in the wilds of Manitoba. @globeandmail has now confirmed the murder suspects took a handful of other videos whilst on the run:”
B.C. men who led police on a cross-Canada manhunt filmed several videos while on the run

Mike Hager on Twitter

His co-journalist Andrea Woo:
“Homicide suspects Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky took a handful of videos of themselves while on the run, including a last will and testament before they took their own lives:”
Andrea Woo | 鄔瑞楓 on Twitter

It doesn’t surprise me that AS and his lawyer are the source of the anonymous leak but it’s also sad in a way if it’s for the purpose of generating a sort of tantalizing but disturbing infamy of B&K while they were on the run after murdering three innocent people. I wonder how interested they are in knowing about any videos L&C took of themselves as they set out on their vacation, filled with happiness, love and adventure. Or maybe the professor’s final lecture was taped. How about that? But I don’t suppose none of three were given the opportunity to record a Last Will and Testament on their cellphone either so who cares, right?