Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #19

[NJSleuth91]

(This is all speculation/JMO)

Going with my previous post...like, imagine, Bryer's mom and grandma probably went there thinking "ok, we're finally going to get some answers!" Remember, so far they have no information about what actually links Kam and Bryer to the murders (especially Lucas and Chynna's murders)...they're basically being told "your kid killed three people because of reasons, really, take our word for it." Would you believe them at face value if it was your family member?

And then...they get to see 30 seconds of a video. And that probably made them really upset, to see their kid for the last time, who they loved, who according to them, they always knew as a kind, polite, non-violent person. And I'm sure the video raised all kinds of additional questions.

Of course they're going to ask for additional information. So they're probably asking tons of questions and getting all these evasive responses. "No, we can't show you or even tell you what was on the rest of the video. No, we can't tell you if they filmed other videos. No, we can't tell you what forensic evidence we have linking them to the murders. No, we can't tell you what we think their motive was, or if we think it was planned or not. No, we can't tell you whether we found any physical or digital evidence on their belongings that we took. No, we can't tell you where the guns came from. No we can't tell you how the victims were killed." Etc.

Can you imagine how absolutely infuriating that would be?! I know if it was me in that situation, I'd probably launch into a profanity-laced tirade and they'd have to forcibly kick me out!

So they come back home, more upset than ever, and discuss what to do with Bryer's great-uncle. And they decide the only thing they can do, literally the only leverage they have at this point, is leaking the information to the media, in the hopes that it will cause the public to put more pressure on the RCMP to release more information. And also, maybe as a middle finger to the RCMP. So that's what they do.

I'd do the same thing.

 

[Gina20]

Here's a photo of a man wanted for carjacking in Fort Saint John in 2017. He hasn't been found. Any resemblance to the mystery man?

Fort St John Carjacking Suspect At Large FJ17-12750 | Crime Stoppers Northeast BC

 

[CinNC]

True. He definitely had been crying, but I also thought he was kind of stumbling around. But now that I think about it, it could have been from lack of sleep due to being really worried (ie. the 5 am texts he sent to Bryer that we saw).

Agreed. When I put myself in AS' position, I doubt I'd have come across as cool, calm and composed. In fact, when I think of what a wreck I'd be, I think he presents himself amazingly well.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Agreed. When I put myself in AS' position, I doubt I'd have come across as cool, calm and composed. In fact, when I think of what a wreck I'd be, I think he presents himself amazingly well.

Yeah I actually feel really bad now for speculating he wasn't sober. I bet it was lack of sleep...that makes people stumble around too. Lesson to me not to insomnia post at 4 am!

 

[CinNC]

Yeah I actually feel really bad now for speculating he wasn't sober. I bet it was lack of sleep...that makes people stumble around too. Lesson to me not to insomnia post at 4 am!

Te absolvo, lol.

 

[NJSleuth91]

More speculation/JMO:

In fact...the "two sources" that leaked the information about there being multiple videos...if it wasn't actually members of the RCMP, what if that was also Bryer's family? Let's say that the police actually had let it slip that there were multiple videos, but refused to say what was on them. Bryer's family told the media about the goodbye video, but held back on the multiple videos information, in case they needed to use it later.

Then, they find out Bryer's dad was able to watch the goodbye video with an NDA. And they're like "WTF? Why couldn't they just have us sign an NDA and then tell us information about why they think our kid is a murderer?" And they also see that public interest in the case is dying down a bit. So they think, now's the time to strategically leak this information, to try to put pressure on the RCMP again. Because what else can they do?

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Then, they find out Bryer's dad was able to watch the goodbye video with an NDA. And they're like "WTF? Why couldn't they just have us sign an NDA and then tell us information about why they think our kid is a murderer?" And they also see that public interest in the case is dying down a bit. So they think, now's the time to strategically leak this information, to try to put pressure on the RCMP again. Because what else can they do?

Then there is Kam's family who hasn't said a word since his father's brief statement, heck we don't even have a picture of anyone in Kam's family, so it seems like they are just hoping this goes on back burner.

 

[Gina20]

Carjackings of note in recent years along the Alaska Highway:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ed-as-alberta-prisoner-fled-bc-rcmp-1.3424001

Man facing charges in Dawson Creek for allegedly carjacking vehicle following hit-and-run - Energeticcity.ca

The Peace River Correctional Centre is conveniently located in Peace River, Alberta, along the scenic route from Fairview to Cold Lake.
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[NJSleuth91]

Then there is Kam's family who hasn't said a word since his father's brief statement, heck we don't even have a picture of anyone in Kam's family, so it seems like they are just hoping this goes on back burner.

Kam has a younger sister and it's going to be unimaginably difficult for her already. I'm pretty sure that protecting her and making sure she's ok is their #1 priority right now.

 

[CanadianSleuther]

Kam has a younger sister and it's going to be unimaginably difficult for her already. I'm pretty sure that protecting her and making sure she's ok is their #1 priority right now.

Very true. I can't imagine how she must feel.

 

[Zella]

I get the impression the McLeods are also probably just very private people and are absolutely bewildered by what their son did and the resulting media attention. There were friends of theirs speaking on their behalf to a couple of journalists, and it was always the same, "Please back off and give them some space." MOO

 

[CanadianSleuther]

I get the impression the McLeods are also probably just very private people and are absolutely bewildered by what their son did and the resulting media attention.

I'd likely be the same way myself. I was just comparing them to Bryer's family who seems a lot more open in general. But I do have to wonder if they are convinced their son would do something like this. I know I would absolutely need proof, and wouldn't just take their word for it. Especially since his face was plastered all over the media. And I can see for someone who is private, having learning your son is missing, to finding out their suspects, to having their house searched, to finding out their son is dead, after being plastered as being dangerous all within a few weeks would be too much.

 

[Grouper]

@Estrojane I’m only pointing out that people are inclined to ask questions when there is a lack of detail the rcmp did close their case on the mystery portrait man, they didn’t say why, people are just naturally curious!

 

[Zella]

I'd likely be the same way myself. I was just comparing them to Bryer's family who seems a lot more open in general. But I do have to wonder if they are convinced their son would do something like this. I know I would absolutely need proof, and wouldn't just take their word for it. Especially since his face was plastered all over the media. And I can see for someone who is private, having learning your son is missing, to finding out their suspects, to having their house searched, to finding out their son is dead, after being plastered as being dangerous all within a few weeks would be too much.

Agreed! I think Kam and Bryer are guilty of all 3 murders, but if I were their relatives, I wouldn't be able to accept that without RCMP explaining the evidence/proof.

And yes I think all of the families have gone through a terrible shock. I'd be hiding too. MOO

 

[CanadianSleuther]

@Estrojane I’m only pointing out that people are inclined to ask questions when there is a lack of detail the rcmp did close their case on the mystery portrait man, they didn’t say why, people are just naturally curious!

I'm not surprised they haven't said anything else. A missing person case I had been following, they had posted a person they wanted to talk too who may have been the last person to see this person alive. There was no updates regarding this particular person for two years before they released more details, and then claimed that person had came forward. While the public speculated for the better part of a couple years. But that case wasn't broadcasted like this one was either.

 

[Esprite]

Kam has a younger sister and it's going to be unimaginably difficult for her already. I'm pretty sure that protecting her and making sure she's ok is their #1 priority right now.

Bryer also has a younger half-sister.

 

[Chingaling]

That's what it looks like to me too. It's the same colour as the rust on the can...which I don't think is a drink can either although I have no idea what it is. It looks like it has a hinge on the can to me, with some sort of metal bar between the lid and the can base.

I would think different types of metal react differently to fire so I'm not thinking orange peel at all.

All JMO

My attempts at enlargement...

That isn't the photo in question I don't believe.I saw a photo of a pop can with orange slice rings around it.It could have been used to start a fire with if the didn't have gas.

 

[kshultz06082]

This may have been discussed, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat....

But, how was it determined that KM & BS were missing?

The parents "knew" where the boys were supposed to be, it had only been a short time between them leaving on their roadtrip and becoming "missing persons".... So who reported them missing and why?

My feeling is either one of their parents felt they had gone too long without communication and reported it to RCMP and the timing of it being so close to LF & CD's bodies being found is pure coincidence....

OR

The parents were notified by the RCMP that there was a need to locate the 2 urgently.... That implies that they were already aware of these 2, which in my mind means, they had enough evidence from LF&CD'S scene to direct them straight to the 2 boys....

OR

I'm just confused....

 

[CanadianSleuther]

This may have been discussed, so I'm sorry if this is a repeat....

But, how was it determined that KM & BS were missing?

Kam's burnt truck. They very likely sent someone to Kam's address and figured by that time, neither boys were in contact with their parents anymore. So a missing person report was sent out.

 

[Pyecraft]

Yes, they have webcams but that won't tell you exactly who is in each vehicle. When poster asked about "records" I assumed they meant records of who exactly is coming/going and no there are no records of passengers names/identities. Unless leaving via one of the US bound ferries and then yes, there are records of who crosses the border.

For sure cameras scan the waiting lanes where parked-up passengers wander around and mingle awhile before called to drive up the ferry ramps. I'd find an interesting focus on the camper/trailer would likely show the two pretty wired now they're freed from family restriction. Not much else perhaps, but a decent comparison to cctv footage at the opposite end of their journey.

All and any info offers something for analysis - timeline, dress, company, mood and so forth.