CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #4

[scrappinkat]

Here is a screengrab from Gray's video. If you want to watch later, it's at about 4:30

The only thing his video really shows is the back of the van with the broken out window. I don’t see how anyone can determine body positions by the video, even if it wasn’t blurred out. I think the police haven’t mentioned the positioning because it simply wasn't there when they were processing the scene.

 

[Inthedetails]

Thank you! I'll try and watch the video later, but just looking at the screencap posted I don't see how anyone can say with any degree of certainty that a blurred out body is posed in a Nazi salute, JMO.

I think it's an idea, but definitely not a fact at this point. It is possible the victims didn't die instantly and they could've moved their arms themselves as well. I don't think we can make a conclusion with what we know. I'm sure it will be part of the evidence, if the bodies were in fact posed.

I do think they were left there to be found, whether they were posed in a certain position or not. They are laid out to be seen, imo

jmo

 

[cody22]

Here is a screengrab from Gray's video. If you want to watch later, it's at about 4:30

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In that top early taken photo of the crime scene with bodies, there are no orange evidence markers, and no glass on the ground. That window was broken from the outside, not the inside. .....moo

 

[Ruralsummer]

The only thing his video really shows is the back of the van with the broken out window. I don’t see how anyone can determine body positions by the video, even if it wasn’t blurred out. I think the police haven’t mentioned the positioning because it simply wasn't there when they were processing the scene.

The road worker who found the bodies gave the description to how the bodies were laid out

 

[JudgeJudi]

Grey’s video describes the placement of the bodies different from the eye witness. So idk. I don’t know how much faith I have in Grey’s reports jmo

If you watch the video starting at 4:25 you'll see the actual bodies (that have been blurred) at the side of the road.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

They aren't in a Nazi salute. Gray has the original, unblurred image and described it and did an animation. The right arms are out to the side, not straight up.

I agree they aren't in a Nazi salute, but as I was reading over the past few pages of this thread I felt like all I was seeing was posts saying they were positioned in a Heil Hitler salute, so I wanted to figure out what people were basing that on.

 

[Inthedetails]

In that top early taken photo of the crime scene with bodies, there are no orange evidence markers, and no glass on the ground. That window was broken from the outside, not the inside. .....moo

That's what I think too! I know it's been said it over and over was blasted from the inside and there was glass outside, but I've been staring at it enlarged on my screen and I don't see glass. I think it was shot from the outside.

Maybe someone can circle the glass on the outside of the van for those of us who don't see it.

jmo

 

[cody22]

The awoken victims got out of that van to be robbed, and those two killers executed them for their ID's, cash, and possible phones............moo

 

[BearCatSafari]

That story is a year old.

Yep. Completely missed that. My apologies.

Here is a screengrab from Gray's video. If you want to watch later, it's at about 4:30

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Who or what is the original source of the picture of the van and bodies blurred shown in this video?

 

[PingTheRouter]

I don't see glass. I think it was shot from the outside.

Maybe someone can circle the glass on the outside of the van for those of us who don't see it.

if you ask me the JPEG or the video of are such a poor quality trying to see safety glass within all those artifacts would be nearly impossible unless someone can supply a high res jpeg

 

[midwinter]

Well, with nothing happening over night, I feel like this has gone cold. They are either long gone from Gillam or dead in the bush somewhere and we might never find them. Sad for the victims families who might never get closure on this

 

[KR72]

Well, with nothing happening over night, I feel like this has gone cold. They are either long gone from Gillam or dead in the bush somewhere and we might never find them. Sad for the victims families who might never get closure on this

Yeah, I'm starting to get the same feeling.

 

[Moriarty]

Apologies if this has been posted earlier...it’s hard to catch up with all you Aussies posting while I sleep!

In light of the discussion about trains yesterday, I saw this Global news article that mentions both freight and passenger trains bound for Churchill MB were searched yesterday and includes a photo of an officer outside what looks like a VIA Rail car.

Out of the woods: How police could narrow in on the northern B.C. murder suspects - National | Globalnews.ca

 

[Deleted member 248860]

If these guys abandoned their car northeast of Gillam at Bird, where it was found, they had two choices.

First choice was to go into the woods and get lost. If they did that, four days later they are God knows where, assuming that they are even alive.

Second choice was to follow the Nelson River, either northeast toward Hudson Bay or southwest further into the interior of Manitoba. It is a major river.

The RCMP are undoubtedly searching along the Nelson, but it won’t be easy to spot them if they stay back from the shore.

If these guys follow the Nelson, there are some aboriginal communities along the river.

Nelson River: Nelson River - Wikipedia

 

[PingTheRouter]

Yeah, I'm starting to get the same feeling.

the fact they were able to get 3,307 km away within a few days and its now been ages more than that, they literally could be anywhere even Nova Scotia or something

 

[Ruralsummer]

Yep. Completely missed that. My apologies.

Who or what is the original source of the picture of the van and bodies blurred shown in this video?

The road worker who was interviewed sat at the crime scene for well over 3 hours waiting for RCMP to arrive, I’m almost certain he is the og source for the picture.

 

[Moriarty]

If these guys abandoned their car northeast of Gillam at Bird, where it was found, they had two choices.

First choice was to go into the woods and get lost. If they did that, four days later they are God knows where, assuming that they are even alive.

Second choice was to follow the Nelson River, either northeast toward Hudson Bay or southwest further into the interior of Manitoba. It is a major river.

The RCMP are undoubtedly searching along the Nelson, but it won’t be easy to spot them if they stay back from the shore.

Nelson River: Nelson River - Wikipedia

They also could follow the clear cut line of the hydro lines that head southwest/northeast from Gillam. They run right past where the Rav was found.

I was looking at them yesterday when there was that unconfirmed tweet about backpacks found near the lines.

But they go about 600 km straight through the wilderness without going near any road or town if you follow them southwesterly.

 

[midwinter]

If these guys abandoned their car northeast of Gillam at Bird, where it was found, they had two choices.

First choice was to go into the woods and get lost. If they did that, four days later they are God knows where, assuming that they are even alive.

Second choice was to follow the Nelson River, either northeast toward Hudson Bay or southwest further into the interior of Manitoba. It is a major river.

The RCMP are undoubtedly searching along the Nelson, but it won’t be easy to spot them if they stay back from the shore.

Nelson River: Nelson River - Wikipedia

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of them having got another car and we just don't know about it yet, but as time goes by if that was the case you would have thought they would have been spotted somewhere. If they followed the Nelson I think they are as good as dead in the bush

 

[scrappinkat]

Who or what is the original source of the picture of the van and bodies blurred shown in this video?

There’s a video posted by CBC.ca from someone driving by. (This is a screenshot from it) But I’m not sure if that’s where the YouTube guy got his video or not.

 

[Kaie]

I accept that the RCMP must have good reason to say that they believe the suspects are still in the area of Gillam. But it still bothers me that burning a car is exactly what you'd do if you wanted all attention and resources to rush to one area while you're heading in the opposite direction.

Of course, confirmed sightings are the only ones we know about. LE would also be going by sightings that are credible, but not actually confirmed.