CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #5

[scrappinkat]

That could be too, that the potential witness recanted her sighting. That’s not unusual, people sometimes think they remember something in the heat of the moment but get it confused with another place, another time.

It was sort of odd she mentioned a grey car in the media interview but a Jeep Cherokee with a black stripe on the hood was specified in the RCMP release.

Google earth image, was posted about/linked yesterday I think. ****Deleted image as desktop google viewer dates it from 2009.

 

[puppyraiser]

The van was broken down, or cooling. If the teens were disappointed in their job hunting trip and heading back home, they may have seen the occupants of the van as an opportunity for money and not to have return home. When RCMP were trying to ID the van's occupants, it was reported that they had a hard time finding anything and only found Chynna's passport hidden. Just swirling thoughts... But I love how you think, Shlock.

But the van was in the wrong direction if they were heading back home, completely different highway. They back tracked hundreds of kms for some strange reason.

 

[Moriarty]

I don't know if this helps, but people from Prince George do travel through Grande Prairie, even when heading to and from southern Alberta. These two definitely would have avoided Jasper National Park.

It’s funny...I had assumed they DID go through Grande Prairie but don’t know why now. I assumed they retraced their route back to Liard area and that highway heads straight down through Dawson Creek to Grande Prairie...

 

[Kubirai]

If they had driven up to Whitehorse, then were driving back home to Port Alberni, it makes sense to have stopped in Dease Lake on their way home 4 days after Bryer talked to his grandmother. Why would they go in the direction of Laird River, which was out of the way. Fowler and Reese's van was pointing north, so they were heading up, Kam and Bryer would have had to be driving the opposite direction if they were coming from Whitehorse. But then why stop a random van?

They murdered Lucas/Chyanna at Liard River, on their way to Whitehorse, via Alaska Highway.

 

[BearCatSafari]

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This is what he posted.

Thank you.

 

[LadyL]

This sure is getting an awful lot of coverage

I hate that the widespread attention is probably making them gloat. Hopefully they don't know cause they're lost in the swampy bush with no internet access.

 

[FactFinder3000]

They were supposed to go to Spences Bridge, the RCMP says they likely made it there.

Everybody wondering about where KM&BS got a gun.

And then there's this:

https://www.ashcroftcachecreekjourn...olice-files-weapons-stolen-in-spences-bridge/

And that is precisely how bad guys with a gun get them.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

IF they are innocent then why not contact LE and give up? By now they have to know there is a huge manhunt underway and things could possibly go sideways if they encounter LE, the Armed Forces or other people who are more than likely aware of what they are accused of and may perceive a threat if one of them moves too quickly.

I've stated before that I think they are long gone from the Gillam area but who knows. 4 days hiding out in a cabin or the bush with rain, bugs, wild animals etc, few supplies and armed people all over the place (planes and drones flying above) would make me want to turn myself in, especially if I didn't do the things I was accused of. The longer this goes on, the more guilty they appear.
Unless they are deceased already but I doubt that's the case in this situation. MOO

That's usually the reason LE takes control of all computers and social media accounts. They want to see if there's evidence of planning as well as social connections and state of mind.

 

[10ofRods]

Yes and most internet history can be traced to the host, whether it be a gaming site, email, FB etc.

But I don’t think think this case involves a diabolical scheme amongst gamers. It just seems too far fetched for the two to murder three random people and then flee across the country with a plan to be saved by an online gaming acquaintance in Gillam. What would be the point of that?

No, of course no diabolical scheme, but perhaps some clues as to the plans of these killers. And, it's possible that they *think* they know people up that way. I'd want to rule that out.

I figure that by now they may have shaved their heads (people have a much harder time recognizing people if they shave their heads) and the one will shave his facial hair and perhaps change his eyebrows. LE has said something about them changing their appearance. Their height is their big issue and being in a pair. If they intend to visit civilization again.

They also need new clothes, obviously. If they have any plans about going into cities, that is.

 

[Thinkzerz]

They must have some kind of communication with knowing what’s going on in the media. Maybe they have a phone that is under a friends name? They keep in contact through this phone with that friend? I know others have mentioned a disposable phone but I’ve never seen one In Canada. Wondering if there is a third person involved even though that person isn’t with them travelling.

 

[FactFinder3000]

It could be a WS member, who joined exactly on July 12, 2018, and manipulated them for exactly one year. Then on July 12, 2019, they are activated.

I am joking of course, after checking your joining date. Yes, people can be manipulated online and in person to commit crimes.

What do you want me to do?

 

[Dawookie]

People can shove AR15s down the front of their baggy pants and walk around. Watch any National Geographic show on drug violence and you'll see this.

Yeah I've seen it a few times on video. In a normal configuration, it can't be comfortable and would hamper any movement. An SBR or AR pistol you can do the same with and it wouldn't be near as uncomfortable or hamper movement much

 

[Kubirai]

It’s funny...I had assumed they DID go through Grande Prairie but don’t know why now. I assumed they retraced their route back to Liard area and that highway heads straight down through Dawson Creek to Grande Prairie...

I posted posted a big map earlier. They returned to BC via hwy 37, where they murdered Prof. Dyck for his RAV4. Then they drove to Chetwynd, and eventually crossed into Alberta.

 

[ajbrajbr]

Ok now this is freaky. Google earth image, was posted about/linked yesterday I think.
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Google Maps Street view (desktop version) clearly states August 2009 as image capture date:

 

[Kaie]

An article appearing on the 7 News (Australia) website. Written by AAP US Correspondent, Peter Mitchell.

Canadian teens wanted over Lucas Fowler's murder may have escaped police

(I am still running on a 3G hotspot here, so I am trying not to repost links that already exist in the thread... but it's hard for me to check as thoroughly as I normally would.)

 

[otto]

Northern B.C. deaths: Investigators probing 3 scenes near Dease Lake

First scene is the burned truck (no visible sign of the mounted camper), second scene is the body, and the third scene:

"The RCMP has also expanded its efforts to a third location much closer to the town of Dease Lake itself. That scene is also on the side of the highway, but it's unclear what's behind the police tape there."
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Maybe the third scene is the camper that was on the truck. Fibreglass might melt to nothing, but it was a camper, not an empty shell.

They got rid of the camper 4 days after Lucas and Chynna were murdered. I wonder what evidence was found. Didn't they then search their homes again and remove evidence?

 

[Kubirai]

But the van was in the wrong direction if they were heading back home, completely different highway. They back tracked hundreds of kms for some strange reason.

They murdered Lucas/Chyanna on their way to Yukon! They came back to BC 3 days later, using another highway.

 

[acutename]

How would you get there without being seen? Would you take any supplies or gear? Do you think that any of the local residents might notice?

people leave boats lying around near lakes- and vacation homes can be used by different people every week. they have a few hours of darkness at night to slink around.

LE says that they may have changed their appearance. guess they cold shave. are there any pictures of them in, say, a costume? they do not seem like the dressing up or hair-dying type to me, IMO.

 

[Ksask]

And that is precisely how bad guys with a gun get them.

Wouldn’t be surprised if KM snuck one of his Dad’s guns. Lots of Canadians have hunting ruffles and shot guns. We’re supposed to have them in a looked gun safe and KM being 19 probably had access to guns safe.

And that is precisely how bad guys with a gun get them.

 

[Herat]

Yes, and they're comfortable in the remote north and the wilderness. They're familiar with how things work in small towns and relatively remote areas. They're also counting on literally flying under the radar. In the media-saturated big cities, everybody will have seen them on the news for the last several days, and they'd be dealing with a greater likelihood of detection based solely on volume of potential interactions. In the Greater Toronto Area, the population is about 6.5 million, and all it takes is one person to recognize them to bring this whole sad saga to an abrupt end. In a small town and the wilderness, they're dealing with a handful of interactions, and less overall exposure. Besides, why would they deviate from tactics and environments that have helped them evade capture?

I wouldn't go so far as to say there were comfortable in the remote north and the wilderness.

They were from Port Alberni. Which is not Victoria, or Vancouver, or even Nanaimo, but it is a seaport, with a connection to logging, fishing, and tourism. If they are familiar with anything "wilderness" it would be ocean fishing and wet timberlands. So some time maybe outdoors in logged areas with dirt roads and the safety of a community not too far away.

But there aren't any details yet provided that tell me these were guys that spent a lot of time camping, or fishing, or hunting with their family. They sound a bit like unathletic nerds, driven to the fulfillment of internet-derived survival games they could mimic with some friends.

I don't see them as experienced outdoors people familiar at all with real wilderness.

They might think they were prepared, but we have no evidence of them even stepping foot off of Vancouver Island prior to this trip, do we?

I'll bet most 12 year olds in Gillam have far better survival skills that these guys