CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[Kubirai]

They didn’t remove the van with traceable license plates

They hadn't thought of burning vehicles yet, and they deduced the van's Alberta plate could be registered to someone other than either victim.

They took all identifying info, except for the well hidden passport of Chynna. That is why RCMP could not identify them for several days.

 

[JuneBug67]

Criminal psychologist Eric Hickey spoke to Global News about what he predicts some of the outcomes of the RCMP’s manhunt for the teenage murder suspects, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, could be. He said that like money, food and water, the boys need social media to survive and will have to come out of hiding eventually to obtain resources and connect to social media.

I don’t know about that. They barely used social media in Port Alberni, other than gaming. I can’t see a current top priority being making a dash for civilization to get a new insty up, maybe with purple butterflies this time.

 

[afitzy]

I totally agree I have a sister and her husband are rcmp in bc I’ve got a lot of respect for le but rcmp aren’t who they once were a lot of communities set up their own le instead of rcmp I’m in surrey bc now and their doing that now. Rcmp in the pas are awful no control over the drug and theft crimes it’s gone from a beautiful place to a crime riddled town.so sad to see. Everyone I’ve talked to from the pas gillam Thompson all say the same the 2 guys left gillam and rcmp are wasting resources there just moo moo

@Corrupted1967 have you by any chance heard anything local about the 2 missing men from Surrey? These are the mens whose truck was later found but the men seem to have vanished.

RCMP still searching for missing Surrey men

 

[Moriarty]

You would think they’d been kidnapped by a raging psychopath, if it weren’t for that cool stroll through the Co-op.

That’s so true!

That video changed my perception of them. In my mind I had perceived them as panicky/anxious/stressed.

Then I saw that video. If I worked there, I would have thought they were trouble without even knowing anything about them. Like shoplifters casing the joint.

 

[Snoopster]

Is there any route from Dease Lake that would not take them across the first murder location on their way east?

Yes.
The gray route would take them by the scene of the couple's murder. The blue route would head south on Hwy 37 and take a more southerly route. Both are similar duration to get to Cold Lake AB (i.e. the next confirmed place they were seen after they burned their truck).

Google Maps

 

[Castlinghigh]

good video
i agree with its points, esp the reaching out to social media

 

[Moonlitnight]

Also not sure if this has been discussed but the Bigfoot camper is not some cheap 3-400 pickup of kijiji (Canadian version of craigslist) these sell for 3500.00 cad and upwards even a mid 80’s model such as the one they owned. Assuming money was an issue why wouldn’t they try and unload this for cheap instead of burning it. Especially in the time between july 15-19? I’m almost sure they could have pulled into any gas station and sold it for 1000.00. People would know it was a quality camper and there would def be a market for it. Maybe they just weren’t thinking along those lines but imo they were taking some time to think things through which is why they grabbed the rav and booked it eastward.

To sell it would require having the ownership papers, wouldn't it? Visiting a MVB as well? I thought the RO was Kam's father. I may be wrong there.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Tribute: In loving memory of Chynna Deese and Lucas Fowler

 

[Errrr]

I would think in any murder case the sooner LE can secure the crime scene the less chance of contamination or degradation. MOO.

If it took police two minutes to attend a crime scene in downtown Toronto there would be just as much chance of someone stomping through the evidence.

 

[Kubirai]

If they aren’t found alive, I’m afraid we will never know the whys - Unless LE has found something in their homes that can explain this. I’m still on the fence about whether or not this was planned.

Kam/Bryer probably didn't plan to kill 3 random people on this trip, but they had the potential to kill people at some point.

RCMP and FBI must investigate how Lucas/Chynna ended up with a disabled van on a remote section of Alaska Highway.

RCMP must also investigate what prompted Prof. Leonard Dyck to travel north on Hwy 37 on July 19.

Finally RCMP must figure out complete route and all stops of Kam/Bryer from July 12 onwards.

Does not matter if they are captured dead or alive, those details must be investigated.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Back to BS’s dad’s book. I’m not at all saying this is his motivation, but I have a feeling it is going to set up mitigating factors for BS if he is caught alive. We just watched BC avoid the death penalty for Yingying’s death, in part because alcoholism ran in his family and he was abusing alcohol at the time. Here, we have the perfect setup for showing mental illness runs in this kid’s family, with the dad discussing his own mental illness. It’s also likely to show how screwed up his childhood may have been.

 

[jmcgladr]

If they aren’t found alive, I’m afraid we will never know the whys - Unless LE has found something in their homes that can explain this. I’m still on the fence about whether or not this was planned.

I sincerely hope these young men are found alive, for their own sakes, the sakes of the families of the victims, and their own families. So those who need to have answers will hopefully have them. And so there can be justice for these crimes.

 

[Cdndadeh]

To sell it would require having the ownership papers, wouldn't it? Visiting a MVB as well? I thought the RO was Kam's father. I may be wrong there.

Selling only the camper portion which would have been worth 1000-1500 quick easy sale would not require any paperwork other than a bill of sale. Selling the truck would have been a different story. My thought is this wasn’t a cheap camper that you often see for a few hundred bucks. This was worth some money. And if I was about to make a run for it and burning it was in the plan I’d certainly try and sell it first.

 

[dyannaON]

Im just gonna sit in my hands and enjoy this beautiful Canadian morning. Let today be the day!
Let’s go RCMP and all those assisting.
Be safe locals and all those travelling. It’s sunday. A busy summer travel day. People coming home from holidays and people leaving for holidays.

 

[Moonlitnight]

Selling only the camper portion which would have been worth 1000-1500 quick easy sale would not require any paperwork other than a bill of sale. Selling the truck would have been a different story. My thought is this wasn’t a cheap camper that you often see for a few hundred bucks. This was worth some money. And if I was about to make a run for it and burning it was in the plan I’d certainly try and sell it first.

Got you! I thought you meant the whole vehicle.

 

[Errrr]

Just for reference, a few vid clips of fixed wing aircraft landing on unpaved amateur runways, and on roadways in the outback ..

RFDS nightlanding at Nypari in the Outback

Let’s try that on muskeg.

 

[Kubirai]

I thought thermal imaging has been used to find bodies in water. I guess that’s something else. So if they are dead in the woods, it’s unlikely they will be found soon.

Advanced thermal imaging can find rotting corpses, and compost heaps, because they are warmer than their surroundings.

Maybe muskeg is a bit warmer than surrounding soil and water.

 

[Snoopster]

Does anyone know if the two young men actually left on Friday, July 12, or ever made it to Whitehorse?

The grandmother said they left on July 12 and that they spoke to her on July 13 or 14 ('last time she spoke to them') saying that the opportunities in Whitehorse weren't what they thought they would be. There's no way they would have had enough time to drive there and 'check things out' if that timeline is correct.

It's a 40 hour drive from Port Alberni to Whitehorse and then back down to where the couple was killed (likely in the late evening of July 14).

They did have time to go to Whitehorse after the couple was murdered, as they were next seen in Deese Lake in the afternoon of July 18.

 

[PatLaurel]

Haaaa. Who doesn’t want to buy a rambling book that someone wrote while drunk?

ETA: I just had a great book idea. A compilation of all my drunken texts.

It’ll be a weird genre hybrid of humor and horror.

We have a saying here that goes like this: "Drunk words are sober thoughts".

Let us know if you ever decide to publish "@MassGuy's Dark & Drunken Memoirs" !

P.S. I'm still catching up... 16 pages to go. I think BS's father is being honest, despite his mental health issues i don't think he's looking for his 5 minutes of fame. I see it more like a cry for help. He seems to be at a loss... Probably being pointed at as the "killer's father" by his neighbors and community! And he is probably no getting proper psychological help that, IMO, everyone deserves! JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Back to BS’s dad’s book. I’m not at all saying this is his motivation, but I have a feeling it is going to set up mitigating factors for BS if he is caught alive. We just watched BC avoid the death penalty for Yingying’s death, in part because alcoholism ran in his family and he was abusing alcohol at the time. Here, we have the perfect setup for showing mental illness runs in this kid’s family, with the dad discussing his own mental illness. It’s also likely to show how screwed up his childhood may have been.

Addiction is only a mitigating factor in Canada if the convict showed otherwise good character, and there is no word that these kids had addiction problems.

Mental health cuts both ways. It can be a mitigating factor in cases where there is an untreated schizoaffective disorder like schizophrenia or bipolar disorder with psychotic features, where the person doesn't understand what they are doing or that it is morally wrong, because they are so sick. It can be an aggravating factor if the person needs to be kept away from society for the protection of others.