CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[ktm44]

We read about these situations every day on this website. People go on vacation to have fun, often leaving common sense at home. From the beginning, I've struggled to understand why the van had plates from another province. Would Lucas and Chynna insure and register a vehicle in another state with the wrong address in their own countries? Not likely, but that seems to be what they did as tourists in a foreign country - apparently overlooking the obvious fact that the wrong insurance is the same as no insurance.

I've also struggled to understand why, if they were stranded at 3:30PM on Sunday, they did not do anything to solve the problem. If they were at home, would they just sit on the side of a highway, 4 hours from the nearest populated area, and hope the van miraculously started working again?

I did read in one article or another that an Alberta estate had sold the van with the plates at auction and it was resold again to Lucas. I believe it was said the cattle ranch he worked at sold/gave it to him. Lucas may not have been aware that he needed to purchase insurance and registration and thought the plate on the van was sufficient but I'm surprised that someone wouldn't have explained the details of our insurance and registration laws at the time.

Being caught driving with no valid insurance and registration are pretty steep fines and the van would have been impounded, leaving the couple on foot in pretty harsh country.

It has been said in numerous articles that the van had a tendency to flood and they were waiting for that to clear up. Young people have a tendency to believe things have a way of working out and they seem to have been set up to camp so I would guess if they found that the van wouldn't start, somebody else would come along and offer assistance. They likely didn't want to spend their vacation money on a tow truck or hotel unless they absolutely had to.

It always surprises me at this time of year when I see young people travelling from other provinces in vehicles that would not pass a mechanical safety inspection, sputtering and coughing up the highway.

 

[Seattle1]

July 17 – 12:30 pm – Ryan Provencher and Richard Scurr were last seen driving a 2019 white Jeep Cherokee in Surrey and haven’t been seen since. Their Jeep was found abandoned at Logan Lake

These men were last seen in a white Jeep Cherokee in the 16400 block of 23A Avenue in Surrey BC. (7/17/19 at 12:30 pm).

I don't think it's related and/or the teens involved here. MOO

 

[copkid]

There is no published RCMP information that links all 3 victims to same firearm.

I have searched high and low for a confimation that Leonard Dyck was in fact killed by a firearm. One mention in Australian media but I cannot find any confirmatiin from a Canadian source. So at this point I am not certain if a firearm could be the connection? Can you provide a Canadian source that indicates LD was in fact shot?

 

[otto]

“In addition to the canvass, over 100 empty homes have been thoroughly searched in the Town of Gillam,” read an RCMP statement released Saturday afternoon.

RCMP getting air support from military in hunt for homicide suspects | The Star
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Is it possible that an empty home had a vehicle that could have been stolen, and the owners won’t know until they return?

I think "empty" means abandoned.

 

[steelybird]

I strongly suspect that the Alberts plates and insurance on Fowler’s vehicle were perfectly legal. It is not uncommon in Canada (and in the US) to purchase a vehicle in one province or state and drive it to another.

If you know something about engines, and think you can fix the problem, there’s not a lot of point in calling a tow truck. As I understand it, people stopped to offer assistance and Fowler said that he didn’t need any. If the engine was flooded, which is what he told the people who stopped, it was no big deal.

I also read they were waiting for the engine to unflood. Perhaps by the time it was working it was late and they decided to just sleep there until daylight?

 

[Castlinghigh]

The dad wrote a book?? When??

Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online

 

[JuneBug67]

I have searched high and low for a confimation that Leonard Dyck was in fact killed by a firearm. One mention in Australian media but I cannot find any confirmatiin from a Canadian source. So at this point I am not certain if a firearm could be the connection? Can you provide a Canadian source that indicates LD was in fact shot?

There’s been nothing. And the fact that there didn’t seem to be a clear cause of death suggests he may not have been, at least not in a clearly fatal way. I don’t think we’ve had confirmation that the RAV4 was associated with Dyck either. Reasonable assumption, but..

 

[otto]

Lucas was a decent mechanic, and explained his diagnosis and solution to another mechanic who stopped to help. That witness left them without worrying.

What RCMP should investigate is why the "flooded cylinder" didn't dry up after a few hours. Was there a different problem with the van?

If the vehicle was stranded at 3:30PM and still stranded at 11:30PM, then the problem was not a flooded engine. I don't understand why a couple in a broken down vehicle, 4 hours from the nearest populated area, did not act with more urgency. Sure, they were on vacation and it was nice scenery, but was that a tourist decision or something they would do at home?

 

[Kubirai]

The official info (from LE) seems very scant, so now I'm wondering if we in fact know that about Fowler's van.

RCMP couldn't identify Lucas/Chynna for a few days, so we can guess that their van's license plate and VIN number didn't point to anyone who actually knew them.

Lucas probably purchased the van from some transient worker at Hudson's Hope. I remember the ranch owner saying he fixed it himself.

RCMP must also investigate the complete history of the van purchase, the seller and previous owner.

 

[LadyL]

Selling only the camper portion which would have been worth 1000-1500 quick easy sale would not require any paperwork other than a bill of sale. Selling the truck would have been a different story. My thought is this wasn’t a cheap camper that you often see for a few hundred bucks. This was worth some money. And if I was about to make a run for it and burning it was in the plan I’d certainly try and sell it first.

[bbm]

really? it looks like a crappy, old jalopy

 

[NorthernWild]

Is there any route from Dease Lake that would not take them across the first murder location on their way east?

Yes, they would need to continue south on Highway 37 down to Highway 16 and then head east.

 

[Cdndadeh]

[bbm]

really? it looks like a crappy, old jalopy

I thought the same thing until I looked closer, then I realized it’s a full fibreglass shell (not cheap) I did some searching on classified sites and even a mid 1980s still sells for about 3500 cad or 2500 usd.

 

[minn77]

I went back and watched the video again of the van fill up, it may have been posted earlier but is there any footage of the guy in black who enters the store when they first arrive at the gas station? It appears to me that there is a bit of an issue at the beginning with either a pin number or the card used to pay at the pump, lucas then goes to front of van and is discussing something with chynna as the guy in black exits the store.. im wondering if its at all possible that she told lucas her pin number the guy in black (possibly Kam) heard and they figured easy cash hit..

 

[FactFinder3000]

The vehicle was insured, and then registered, in Alberta. That is the only explanation for Alberta plates on a vehicle purchased in BC and owned by Fowler. The problem is that he never worked or lived in Alberta. He should have used the BC address where he lived since February, but he probably used an Alberta address because insurance is cheaper in Alberta.

It doesn't seem likely to me that he moved the registration from BC to Alberta, though. That can be a costly process on an older vehicle. And I don't think you can insure an out of province vehicle for an extended period of time.

How do we know he bought the vehicle in BC?

 

[cherrytree9]

WS member 'mtnstream' has noted that BS followed a YouTuber called "pewdiepie" and this is noteworthy for being mentioned by MSM in relation to the mass shooter in New Zealand recently. It's only a connection and who knows, probably nothing. I do think people should be aware of the dark web's existence but please stay far away, it is not a place for any of us. That is what LE is here for.

Pewdiepie is a gaming channel and the second most subscribed Youtube channel in the world with 98 million subscribers, so it's really not suspicious or weird that BS follows him.

A few months ago, Pewdiepie was in a battle with another channel T-Series to be the #1 subscribed channel on Youtube. So at the time of the Christchurch attack, "Subscribe to Pewdiepie" was a popular meme online, which is why the attacker said that. In response, Pewdiepie told people to stop using it altogether. That's the only "association" the Youtube channel has with the attack, and the fact that BS follows him isn't any kind of sign of what he may have planned to do.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I strongly suspect that the Alberts plates and insurance on Fowler’s vehicle were perfectly legal. It is not uncommon in Canada (and in the US) to purchase a vehicle in one province or state and drive it to another.

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You are required to insure the vehicle where you live. If you move you have a limited amount of time to update your insurance. And yes, you can buy a vehicle in another province, but you have to register the vehicle in the province you want to insure/drive it in. That registration process is too expensive for an older vehicle.

 

[copkid]

If the vehicle was stranded at 3:30PM and still stranded at 11:30PM, then the problem was not a flooded engine. I don't understand why a couple in a broken down vehicle, 4 hours from the nearest populated area, did not act with more urgency. Sure, they were on vacation and it was nice scenery, but was that a tourist decision or something they would do at home?

I do not see this as an unusual decision. Maybe it got dark and they felt it was safer to stay put. Maybe they just wanted to cuddle together under the stars and start their journey in the morning. Likely no cell service where they were, a tow truck would cost a fortune when that far away from any major centre. As the parent of a young world traveller, I see absolutely nothing unusual about this decision.

 

[Errrr]

Did you read the excerpts? They're nasty. He's just continuing the fight against his wife, shirking his responsibility in this, and playing the victim in his divorce.

Maybe this will help clarify things:

Court documents shed light on family troubles of B.C. murder suspect

"The father of one of the teenagers at the centre of a nationwide manhunt was charged with harassing his estranged wife, according to court documents."

"A judge sentenced Alan to have no contact or communication with his ex-wife and her boyfriend. In 2010, he was given a probation order after he was found guilty of breaching his court order.

Court documents obtained by CTV News Vancouver Island state that Alan was not to contact or communicate directly or indirectly with his former wife Deborah Sweeney and her boyfriend Jeff McKillop.

A judge also ordered Alan to participate in any “assessment, counseling or programs as directed by the probation officer, which may include forensic assessment,” states the court documents."

Father of teen Canadian murder fugitive tries to hijack media frenzy to publicize his new book | Daily Mail Online

"The father's book is laced with vicious criticism of Bryer's mother Deborah Sweeney, his ex-wife who he calls 'hex', detailing the custody battle over their son and alleged squabbling over a row with the Canadian Red Cross. "

!! $80 million for the loss of his father when he was an adult? Is that how he lured his wife into thinking he was rich?

 

[Kubirai]

If the vehicle was stranded at 3:30PM and still stranded at 11:30PM, then the problem was not a flooded engine. I don't understand why a couple in a broken down vehicle, 4 hours from the nearest populated area, did not act with more urgency.

By the time Lucas expected the problem to be solved, it was already late Sunday evening.

We don't know if he called CAA, but even if he did, they would have taken many hours to arrive. Probably not from Fort Nelson, but farther away.

Chynna actually waved at a car driven by a female witness, perhaps wanting a ride. The driver unfortunately didn't stop, but later contacted RCMP.

RCMP didn't send anyone Sunday night, probably because the roadside couple was reported to be alive and well.

Anyway, Lucas and Chynna decided to sleep and tackle the problem Monday morning. Reasonable ... except for the potential killers heading towards them.

 

[ktm44]

Lucas was a decent mechanic, and explained his diagnosis and solution to another mechanic who stopped to help. That witness left them without worrying.

What RCMP should investigate is why the "flooded cylinder" didn't dry up after a few hours. Was there a different problem with the van?

While it may not be public knowledge at this time, I'm pretty confident the RCMP have fully investigated the van, looking carefully at mechancial issues as well as looking for any evidence of tampering.