CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[sprucetip]

And buy some polar bear spray once you cross the border because only with great difficulty can you bring a gun across the border or anything more than a small, folding, pocket knife.

I'm going shopping in Old Quebec in four weeks. I hope these young men and the polar bear don't head in that direction.

Polar bear spray!

Well depends where he goes, he’d be safe from polar bears in northern Ontario or out west.

Good luck in Quebec, I think you’ll be safe... from polar bears anyways,

 

[enelram]

It’s been verified by witnesses who saw and spoke to them. One was a mechanic who discussed the details of the van issue and he left thinking that Lucas had it under control. A simple flooded engine that would rectify itself after a bit of time.

If it were a flooded engine and not an overheated one as I thought, then they must have stopped on the side of the hwy. and THEN
tried to re-start it and that's when it flooded.
So apparently they had stopped there for some reason. ???

 

[OldCop]

I see it differently. I'm always curious about not only the suspects, but also the victims and how they became victims.

Yes! That’s why there is a science called Victimology. It can help us understand crimes and gives us means to prevent them.

 

[scrappinkat]

Where do you live?

Small town southern-ish BC.

 

[Gina20]

And buy some polar bear spray once you cross the border because only with great difficulty can you bring a gun across the border or anything more than a small, folding, pocket knife.

I'm going shopping in Old Quebec in four weeks. I hope these young men and the polar bear don't head in that direction.

Should be fine in the high-end boutiques.

 

[minn77]

I’m just expressing a personal view on relevance, nothing to do with what’s allowed; and I’m the one who said that if people want to go down this particular rabbit hole the better question might be, why a 33 year old vehicle.

People take long distance trips with older vehicles

 

[CanadianMade]

Plus, burning the truck probably just delays figuring out who the owner is, not a solid plan for keeping undercover. Why not drive it deep into the bush and leave it? No fire, nothing brings attention, etc.

Unless they wanted it to be found, but also wanted to make it LOOK like they didn't.....? Or to just try and cover up as much as they could that would show they were the ones specifically who were using the vehicle?
All my own speculation of course. I can't even wrap my brain around this really.

 

[sprucetip]

Well, it does have to do with how long it took to identify them, which is a part of their story and a part of this crime story. The victims themselves are part of the story. Their families had to wait, as I understand it, for identification (accomplished eventually when Chynne's well hidden passport was unearthed in the van, despite the fire). The plates did not lead to their identification.

And I do ask questions, myself, as to why people do what they do in general (take a 33 year old van on that journey). I ask those questions all the time. If that's not allowed here, I will stop, but I would hope that would come from a mod. I am interested in human nature, adventurousness, risk taking and so on. I think it's a valid interest and is connected to the story here.

The van wasn’t burnt, it was the suspect’s truck.

There’s risk in everything we do, they certainly weren’t the first people to take a crappy old vehicle up the Alaska Hwy, happens every day. People break down every day. They aren’t murdered every day.

 

[Justatheory]

Tropical compared to most of the country. But it's a wet cold in the winter, as we say here. Haha!

Toronto gets all four seasons -- and two in the extreme. Last year, Toronto had an unusually high number of summer days when the temperature was over 30C, sometimes above 35C, with high humidity. Then there's the January and February freeze, which is nothing compared to the cold in the Prairies, of course, but it comes as a shock to the system for people traveling on business from California.

 

[Cdndadeh]

Some noise on SM about an occurrence outside Winnipeg. I doubt it’s what people are saying it is.

 

[Gina20]

Backpackers buy cheap vehicles and leave them behind.

 

[SteveP]

It tells us something about the victims, and it is in the context of the discussion about whether people take risks in foreign countries that they would not take at home. As I said in the original context, they were 4 hours from the nearest populated area and I don't understand why the murdered couple did not feel more urgency to solve the disabled vehicle problem.

Respectfully, this debate over the van and its registration has gone on for 6 threads now, with the same statements being recycled, over and over again. The main things we need to know about the victims are that they were perfectly innocent, and in no way contributed to their own deaths. Being disabled by the side of a highway is not an invitation to be murdered, regardless of where, or even if the van was registered.

 

[Satchie]

Another reporter questioning the silence

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I think this reporter is confusing free speech around political/governance issues, with tabloid-style gossip.

It's not about blocking freedom of the press, it's about protecting the privacy of the families that live in that community.

ETA: Protection of Privacy is a law in BC, it means public officials can't share what they may know about an individual, without that person's permission.

 

[Gina20]

Toronto gets all four seasons -- and two in the extreme. Last year, Toronto had an unusually high number of summer days when the temperature was over 30C, sometimes above 35C, with high humidity. Then there's the January and February freeze, which is nothing compared to the cold in the Prairies, of course, but it comes as a shock to the system for people traveling on business from California.

Prairie joke.

 

[1987]

Reportedly a passerby stopped to assist Lucas and Chynna and was told they were waiting for
the engine to cool off so they could start it again.

do we know the van was in exactly the same place as when help had stopped and when seen latter? could the van have started and been moved a short distance and had a problem again? I want to understand if the van broke down and that was that, never moved until LE had it moved after the crime or if the couple could have thought they had it going again only for it to quit a mile or less down the road.

 

[zecats]

Well, it does have to do with how long it took to identify them, which is a part of their story and a part of this crime story. The victims themselves are part of the story. Their families had to wait, as I understand it, for identification (accomplished eventually when Chynne's well hidden passport was unearthed in the van, despite the fire). The plates did not lead to their identification.

And I do ask questions, myself, as to why people do what they do in general (take a 33 year old van on that journey). I ask those questions all the time. If that's not allowed here, I will stop, but I would hope that would come from a mod. I am interested in human nature, adventurousness, risk taking and so on. I think it's a valid interest and is connected to the story here.

Your points are good ones. It is part of their story. Asking questions, rehashing scenarios, learning about the victims and the suspects is what we do here, every case. And also correct when you state it should come from a mod..not from other posters telling other posters what's important, what's stupid, what's relevant, what's allowed here. Just saying.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

People take long distance trips with older vehicles

Yes, and maybe that answer would put an end to these questions

 

[CanadianMade]

If it were a flooded engine and not an overheated one as I thought, then they must have stopped on the side of the hwy. and THEN
tried to re-start it and that's when it flooded.
So apparently they had stopped there for some reason. ???

Pee break? Leg stretch? "Oh look! a [insert wild animal]! Let's get a picture!"?
People stop during road trips for lots of reasons.

 

[Seattle1]

We know that Lucas owned the van and that he bought it in BC.
We know that Lucas lived and worked in BC.

We know the van was registered in Alberta. Why was the vehicle registered in Alberta, and what address might have been used to insure and register the vehicle in Alberta?

They are indeed victims. I am still curious why they did not have a sense of urgency to get the vehicle working, and why they did not know that they cannot camp on the side of a highway.

Respectfully, the only known is that the vehicle had Alberta tags.

It's been reported that Lucas owned the van, thus the Ownership Certificate contained his name and his address. No evidence the ownership certificate has a false address.

Pursuant to the Motor Vehicle Act of BC, exemptions exist for the Owner to to drive vehicle without changing plates and/or registering the vehicle. LF met the "touring" exemption.

There's no basis to claim LF illegally registered and insured the van in Alberta. No basis at all.

MOO

 

[scrappinkat]

Uh, link? This isn't Africa. I find that extremely unbelievable.

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