CANADA - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #7

[esayer]

There has been no evidence to show they ever had a gun so far

They must have to have shot and killed 3 people.

 

[Herat]

i believe the landfill is the green and the sewage lagoon is the red

I think it's the little turnout between the red and green circles.

 

[Cdndadeh]

The longer this goes on makes me wonder if it was even them that were spotted.

 

[Kiantra]

Oh man, on Wednesday there was a rumour of them having taken the ferry from Split Lake to York Landing sometime on Tuesday. Looks like it was more than just a rumour!

Can you share where you read that please.

 

[missy1974]

Dump is circled on map in red

Could be, I'm really not sure, I was looking at it when it was first reported and thought it was further east, but who knows. I have tried googling and because of all the news stories, it's hard to find anything not from the last 5 hours lol

 

[Kubirai]

York Landing is different than York Factory. York Factory is on Hudson's Bay, while York Landing is across a lake from Split Lake MB, well southwest of Gillam.

Thanks for the correction. So if they are indeed found in York Landing, they took a boat or the ferry.

 

[ldlager]

Thanks so much to both of you for clarifying! Makes sense. Maybe enough to nibble on but not enough to truly camp out there and hide indefinitely.

It certainly ain’t the ritz! Lol

 

[midwinter]

I don’t think that these guys are desperados. I think that they are arrested in the morning without incident and start reading about themselves in the newspaper and watching themselves on the news and YouTube.

Arguably a better life than working at Walmart. Can you play video games in prison?

You can play Video games in prison! At least at Stoney MTN federal. There's a window of time when you first arrive when some acceptable items can be dropped off and game consoles are I've of them. Obviously you can't play them online though

 

[srper2]

They must have to have shot and killed 3 people.

The police have not said how Mr Dyck died, and they have not said that they believe these guys shot the couple, they have said they are suspects only. The police have not even provided any evidence these guys even had a gun!

 

[olive_bpa1]

Anyone else think this wasn’t something planned? Not the killing spree and real life game of survival we originally thought? It seems like they are running scared. I’m not convinced they killed the young couple and is it possible they killed LD accidentally and panicked? If this was all planned and they wanted to be survivalists then why are they in the same clothes? If they have a gun why haven’t they used it on the people we know they have run into? I am just speculating here and obviously the RCMP may have strong evidence that proves otherwise.

 

[10ofRods]

I don’t think that these guys are desperados. I think that they are arrested in the morning without incident and start reading about themselves in the newspaper and watching themselves on the news and YouTube.

Arguably a better life than working at Walmart. Can you play video games in prison?

I don't think so - someone wrote a pretty detailed account of what it's like at Manitoba's main prison. They get lots of yard time, television (not shared like in the mental health lock-up), can earn money for things to buy at commissary. But I don't think they get online access or gaming. We need a Canadian prison warden or guard to weigh in.

I wonder if they can get married and have conjugal visits.

 

[esayer]

Wow! The police have not said how Mr Dyck died, and they have not said that they believe these guys shot the couple, they have said they are suspects only. The police have not even provided any evidence these guys even HAD a gun!

K.

 

[midwinter]

Can you share where you read that please.

It was on twitter. Myself and someone else mentioned it in one of the first threads but it was Probably removed

 

[Cdndadeh]

Can you share where you read that please.

It was on Twitter earlier this week, hardly accurate for sure but given that they could be there now it’s interesting...

 

[CanadianMade]

They must have to have shot and killed 3 people.

They've only been charged in one of the deaths and that cause of death hasn't even been released.
There is actually nothing that has been released indicating that they would have had a gun.

ETA: Sorry...the RCMP did state that they were to believed to be armed and dangerous, but I mean....they kind of have to say this.

 

[abnurse]

It seems almost certain that BS has fixed delusions, interesting that his dad was the same diagnosis. It's definitely got a genetic component. However, I don't think it's schizophrenia or any other Axis I diagnosis (too functional; isn't impeding their progress on a difficult mission; is able to locate and use resources - unless of course his partner is doing all that, which I doubt). I am referring to what we apparently know about his liking of both Nazis and Putin/Trump. Of course, at his age, this could definitely be the onset of schizophrenia. Will be interesting to see how it's handled legally.

Nice to meet you - I'm not a clinician, I do applied research in jails and mental hospitals.

Nice to meet you as well

I would agree with your perspective although, I must say, I have met many clients who were diagnosed with (an) axis-1 disorder(s) and remained completely independent/competent of making informed decisions (of course dependent on both the client and context). Given that, I also always encourage my clients, suffering with various psychiatric symptoms, to seek and connect with mental health supports (whether it be through pharmacological or other therpay-based means).
IMO there may be some insight into BS' mental health given his age and potential predisposition although, of course (given my complete lack of contact and information), I cannot confirm same. I wish I knew more; I reckon that is was fascinates me about this case.

 

[jmarshmarsh]

I don't think so - someone wrote a pretty detailed account of what it's like at Manitoba's main prison. They get lots of yard time, television (not shared like in the mental health lock-up), can earn money for things to buy at commissary. But I don't think they get online access or gaming. We need a Canadian prison warden or guard to weigh in.

I wonder if they can get married and have conjugal visits.

The crimes were in BC - would they not end up in prison there?

 

[Francie Starr]

I am guessing that all their other clothes were burnt and they have not had any way of finding or buying other clothes. Despite all the speculation here, the only reported interactions they have had with other people have all been fine - in stores, being helped when bogged. So maybe they haven't been robbing houses and haven't heard Bryer's dads idea that they should go down in a "blaze of glory" yet. If they were going to kill/rob someone else and take a car, they would have done that before police realised they were here a week ago. We still haven't been told how Mr Dyck died and no evidence has been given to even link them with the other murders.

Now that you mention it, the possibility dawns on me that maybe the kid with no driver's license accidentally ran over poor Mr D at the rest stop and a number of supremely foolish decisions arose from their fear that they could be in big trouble if caught. Maybe the senseless murders of LF and CD were the work of another perp entirely. Just spitballing here. MOO.

 

[Moonlitnight]

I can honestly see how so many murders in Canada have been swept under the rug now, I want to know WHY the police have had nothing to say about the man seen arguing with the couple, and WHY, after all this time he has not come forward or been tracked at all? Or has this question not been approved either?

I read somewhere that this report (by the female road worker) was "dismissed" or "discounted." Some people thought it might be that Derek Whisenand murderer from Texas since he had apparently escaped over the border to Canada. It seems very unlikely to me that these boys shot a young couple for no good reason. Not sure what role they played in the LD killing either. I guess we will (or won't) find out.

 

[esayer]

Anyone else think this wasn’t something planned? Not the killing spree and real life game of survival we originally thought? It seems like they are running scared. I’m not convinced they killed the young couple and is it possible they killed LD accidentally and panicked? If this was all planned and they wanted to be survivalists then why are they in the same clothes? If they have a gun why haven’t they used it on the people we know they have run into? I am just speculating here and obviously the RCMP may have strong evidence that proves otherwise.

I mean, there is a reason authorities believe they killed all 3 people. They aren't speculating at this point. They are accused/charged.