Deceased/Not Found Canada - Lyle, 78, & Marie McCann, 77, Alberta, 5 July 2010 #2 *T. Vader guilty*

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Where is this dear old couple? It's been over two months since they've vanished, since TV has been arrested, and still no news about even the evidence they have against this guy. Granted, I imagine they must have something on him and I definitely think he's involved, but is he ever going to be charged? do they not have enough evidence to charge him without discovery of the bodies? This case is just so heartbreaking. Every time I watch that video of Lyle at the gas bar I want to cry. How could anyone hurt such a sweet couple? I definitely think meth is involved in this, as well as pure evil - a horrible combination that probably results in crimes like this more often than we know.
 
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Mia said:
Where is this dear old couple? It's been over two months since they've vanished, since TV has been arrested, and still no news about even the evidence they have against this guy. Granted, I imagine they must have something on him and I definitely think he's involved, but is he ever going to be charged? do they not have enough evidence to charge him without discovery of the bodies? This case is just so heartbreaking. Every time I watch that video of Lyle at the gas bar I want to cry. How could anyone hurt such a sweet couple? I definitely think meth is involved in this, as well as pure evil - a horrible combination that probably results in crimes like this more often than we know.
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He's already in jail on other charges, so he's not going anywhere. Proving murder without a body is not impossible. It has happened before. However, it takes a considerable amount of other evidence to succeed in prosecuting such a case. I believe LE is taking that into consideration. Any time limits for laying charges after a person has been arrested are not a concern in this case, because TV is incarcerated on other issues.

There may not be a plea deal in the works for TV, but what if there is one for someone else, who may be providing the information LE needs to move forward? There's no way someone out there doesn't have information. More than one person could be involved, IMO.
 
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Dive team wraps up search of pond west of Edmonton

Three divers entered a dugout early Tuesday in part of a search that began last week. Loud sounds could also be heard through the thick trees nearby after an industrial vacuum truck showed up at an adjacent acreage, which is home to some renters and their horses. A large hose was used to suction out a septic tank, which the divers were also asked to inspect.

On the weekend, a ground search wrapped up at the site where a forensics team removed a garbage bag filled with unknown contents. Investigators were also seen going into a specific area with a camera.

Investigators have remained tight lipped about what they've found.

The 80-acre piece of land has been linked to a past acquaintance of Travis Vader who has been named a suspect in the case. The property is littered with abandoned vehicles and other discarded items.

People living in the region say RCMP have been on scene a number of times over the past several weeks and have also searched other nearby properties.

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/lo...edm_diveteam_100914/20100914/?hub=CalgaryHome
 
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Police wrapped up their search Tuesday of a property near Nojack, Alta., as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Lyle and Marie McCann.

Divers searched a pond on the property and police also used a backhoe to comb through a pile of debris. They also searched the septic tanks on the property.

RCMP said they found no human remains in the pond but would not say what or if they found anything else on the property.

The RCMP have already finished a ground search at the rural property looking for clues in the disappearance of the couple.



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/09/14/edmonton-mccann-search-divers.html#ixzz0zbTYqfIv
 
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nettie_82 said:
Police wrapped up their search Tuesday of a property near Nojack, Alta., as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Lyle and Marie McCann.

Divers searched a pond on the property and police also used a backhoe to comb through a pile of debris. They also searched the septic tanks on the property.

RCMP said they found no human remains in the pond but would not say what or if they found anything else on the property.

The RCMP have already finished a ground search at the rural property looking for clues in the disappearance of the couple.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2010/09/14/edmonton-mccann-search-divers.html#ixzz0zbTYqfIv
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I recall a missing persons search in the past that went on for many months, including the involvement of archeology experts. If the plastic bags taken away by LE show any useful evidence, I hope that property is turned over with a fine-toothed comb.
 
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Montjoy said:
I don't imagine that there is any connection. The suspect in the McCann case was locked up far before May went missing. She was driving alone on a fairly treacherous stretch of road.
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Okay, fair enough, but that is assuming the suspect who is incarcerated for other crimes, in the McCann case, acted alone. The age, geography and circumstance seem off.
 
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Summersolstice said:
Not saying that this is connected, but here's another one missing in Jasper:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/st...erta-darda-jordan-missing-camping-jasper.html

What if age and gender has nothing to do with this? There are many reasons why people disappear. Some are obvious, some are less so.
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They found Jordan's truck a few hours ago near Pinto Lake, but haven't located him yet. Here's the FB page that's been set up.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=150330104998485&v=wall
 
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Valleyboy said:
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Cash+reward+solve+McCann+case+reaches/3507652/story.html


Cash reward to solve McCann case reaches $60,000
By Florence Loyie, edmontonjournal.com September 10, 2010 2:07 PM


EDMONTON — A special cash reward being offered to solve the disappearance of Lyle and Marie McCann has reached $60,000


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The reward is being offered through Crime Stoppers, and is separate from a $2,000 reward the organization offers for anonymous tips that lead to a similar conclusion.

To collect the $60,000, which was raised through community donations, the person coming forward must make their identity known to police and speak directly with investigators.

Lyle McCann, 78, and his wife Marie, 77, were last seen July 3 fuelling their motorhome at the Superstore in St. Albert as they headed for British Columbia. It was the last time their credit card was used.

On July 5, their motorhome was discovered engulfed in flames at the Minnow Lake campground, about an hour southeast of Edson. Their SUV, which they normally towed behind the motorhome, was missing.

They were reported missing on July 10 when they failed to show up at a planned meeting with their daughter in Abbotsford.

On July 12, firefighters responded to a log house fire near Niton Junction, about 30 minutes east of Edson along Highway 16.

Four days later, a local resident discovered the McCann’s SUV abandoned in the bush near Carrot Creek, 45 minutes from where the motorhome was found, and less than five minutes from Niton Junction, where the log home burned.

Travis Edward Vader, 38, was initially picked up by RCMP as a “person of interest” in the couple’s disappearance. He was named a suspect in the case at the end of August.

[email protected]

© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

Read more: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news...case+reaches/3507652/story.html#ixzz0zA2ktDht
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bbm

I don't see that happening.
 
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sillybilly said:
Sadly, a body has been found approx 2 km from where Jordan's truck was located:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/B...rk+near+truck+Jordan+Darda/3535972/story.html

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=150330104998485&v=wall

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They found Jordan. He doesn't have his own thread that I could find but he is mentioned here so I thought I would post this information here.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/s...y-airdrie-banff-darda-body-found.html?ref=rss

Body in Banff is missing Alberta camper

The body found Thursday in a remote stretch of Banff National Park is an Airdrie, Alta., man who went missing nearly two weeks ago, police confirmed Friday.

Jordan Darda, a 20-year-old University of Alberta student, left Edmonton for a solo camping trip in the Jasper area on the Labour Day long weekend and hadn't been seen or heard from since.

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His body was found Thursday face down in shallow water in Norman Creek at the north end of the park, about two kilometres from where his vehicle was discovered a day earlier.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/s...f-darda-body-found.html?ref=rss#ixzz0zpFU98HA

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Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/s...f-darda-body-found.html?ref=rss#ixzz0zpFAyiI4
 
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Updated: Sat Sep. 18 2010 15:05:17

Jessica Earle, ctvedmonton.ca

An RCMP investigation appears to have come full circle, with officers again scouring the site where a missing elderly couple's burned-out motor home was found more than two months ago.

CTV news has learned searchers returned to the area around Minnow Lake on Saturday, a campground located approximately 35 kilometres southeast of Edson.

The development comes after ground and dive teams wrapped up a multi-day search on a rural property between Niton Junction and Nojack, just off Hwy. 16 and R.R. 120. An area resident said the man who owns that property is a former friend of Travis Vader – the lone suspect named in the disappearance of Lyle and Marie McCann.

RCMP are not yet commenting on what prompted them to return to the campground.

The McCanns were last seen on July 3rd during a road trip to B.C. Their singed R.V. was found two days later.

Crime Stoppers has received more than 170 tips related to the case, and a reward for information that leads to the whereabouts of the couple stands at $60,000.

More to Come…

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l.../EDM_minnow_100918/20100918/?hub=EdmontonHome
 
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I have to agree with Bret McCann, that his father would have not stopped, only 2 hours from home, it just does not make sence. From personal experience, you develope a bladder like a camel. Lyle McCann is only retired for five years. He would have easily gone 4 to 5 hours without stopping. As for his wife, the RV was self sufficient, and the passenger could have utilitized the bathroom while in transit.
Either something out of ordinary got them to stop, or they did go further down #16 and encountered someone then and there.
The one nagging question I have is, Where was Travis Vader on or prior to July 3rd. And don't ask his sister.
 
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memories said:
Updated: Sat Sep. 18 2010 15:05:17

Jessica Earle, ctvedmonton.ca

An RCMP investigation appears to have come full circle, with officers again scouring the site where a missing elderly couple's burned-out motor home was found more than two months ago.

CTV news has learned searchers returned to the area around Minnow Lake on Saturday, a campground located approximately 35 kilometres southeast of Edson.

The development comes after ground and dive teams wrapped up a multi-day search on a rural property between Niton Junction and Nojack, just off Hwy. 16 and R.R. 120. An area resident said the man who owns that property is a former friend of Travis Vader – the lone suspect named in the disappearance of Lyle and Marie McCann.

RCMP are not yet commenting on what prompted them to return to the campground.

The McCanns were last seen on July 3rd during a road trip to B.C. Their singed R.V. was found two days later.

Crime Stoppers has received more than 170 tips related to the case, and a reward for information that leads to the whereabouts of the couple stands at $60,000.

More to Come…

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l.../EDM_minnow_100918/20100918/?hub=EdmontonHome
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BBM: Oh, dear. Someone here at WS had worried way back when, that they did not search Minnow Lake or the campground enough. Now LE is back there.

I wonder if LE has some sort of forensic evidence from the SUV indicating access to water? I doubt the McCann's themselves would have been near any lakes etc. The mud caked on the SUV may have indicated something.
 
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CTV news has learned searchers returned to the Minnow Lake campground on Saturday, located approximately 35 kilometres southeast of Edson.

About eight officers on All Terrain Vehicles looked for clues, starting at the
crack of dawn.

While those on site were not authorized to speak on camera, they say the efforts were part of a low-priority gird search of the area. They are not expecting to return on Sunday.

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l.../EDM_minnow_100918/20100918/?hub=EdmontonHome

BBM: It doesn't look like this is a high priority search. :-(
 
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DEEA said:
I have to agree with Bret McCann, that his father would have not stopped, only 2 hours from home, it just does not make sence. From personal experience, you develope a bladder like a camel. Lyle McCann is only retired for five years. He would have easily gone 4 to 5 hours without stopping. As for his wife, the RV was self sufficient, and the passenger could have utilitized the bathroom while in transit.
Either something out of ordinary got them to stop, or they did go further down #16 and encountered someone then and there.
The one nagging question I have is, Where was Travis Vader on or prior to July 3rd. And don't ask his sister.
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Can't find the link now, but I recall BMcC saying that his father may have met someone. Brings me back to whoever he was talking to at the gas bar in that video.

Washrooms aren't the only reason to stop. Did he arrange to meet up with an old trucker buddy? We don't know if he wanted a snack at the Niton Junction truck stop. Did a windshield wiper fly off while he was driving? Did he decide on a whim to buy a 6/49 ticket (there was a draw that night)? Did someone flag him down at the side of the road, which is a carjacking tactic?

This struck me from the CTV article posted by memories:

"About eight officers on All Terrain Vehicles looked for clues, starting at the crack of dawn.

While those on site were not authorized to speak on camera, they say the efforts were part of a low-priority gird search of the area. They are not expecting to return on Sunday."

It sounds like they're going far out into the back country, along cutlines, etc.
 
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