Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #1

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

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Hoppy
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He's not a friend. He was my Wing Commander. My boss.

I have no more information than anyone here does. I get the same information as you all do. I read the same papers.

Other than the pep talk from the CDS this afternoon in our gym, I'm just as in the dark as anyone else.

Just because I'm a military member, doesn't mean we have any info. All I know is that I spoke with him pretty much every day and saw NO indication of the evil within.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

He's not a friend. He was my Wing Commander. My boss.

I have no more information than anyone here does. I get the same information as you all do. I read the same papers.

Other than the pep talk from the CDS this afternoon in our gym, I'm just as in the dark as anyone else.

Just because I'm a military member, doesn't mean we have any info. All I know is that I spoke with him pretty much every day and saw NO indication of the evil within.

I have a question for you since you are a military member if you don't mind answering. It was asked earlier on the board, and I don't believe it was every answered. How much involvement, if any, would the military police have in something of this nature, seeing as it happened off the military base? TIA

 

[Texas Mist]

Charges move military to review selection process

By Laura Stone and David Wylie, Canwest News Service
February 10, 2010 8:12 PM

CFB TRENTON, Ont. — Canada's chief of defence staff said there will be an administrative review to determine if the military had missed any signs that Col. Russell Williams — the base commander charged with murdering two women — may have been unfit for leadership.

Gen. Walter Natynczyk, visiting Canadian Forces Base Trenton in eastern Ontario to boost troop morale, said he was shocked by the charges.

"We are all in shock. I felt as if I had a body blow, and I was winded, because . . . I represent the leadership," he told a news conference at the base Wednesday.

Williams, 46, is charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of Belleville, Ont., resident Jessica Lloyd, 27, and Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 37. He has also been charged with the forcible confinement and sexual assault of two other women in cases where the victims were bound naked to chairs and photographed by their attacker.

"We've put additional rigour over the past five year into the selection of our leadership," he said. "We'll do an administrative review to see, what did we miss? Did we miss anything here? And it's a difficult situation, one that certainly I've not faced, nor talking to the leadership of the Canadian Forces, that we have faced, and so again, what can we learn from this to ensure it doesn't occur," said Natynczyk.


more here

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news...y+review+selection+process/2545271/story.html

 

[Hazel]

Facebook has become a busy forum for showing support for victims and unleashing outrage from Canadians calling for a return of the death penalty in the wake of murder and sex assault charges against Col. Russell Williams.

As of late Tuesday, more than 2,000 people had joined the Facebook group “Russell Williams Should Get the Death Penalty.” While the air force colonel and former top commander at CFB Trenton is accused and has not been convicted of any crime, the online community is already comparing him to infamous American serial killers Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer.

Tweed resident Sylvain Bertrand told QMI Agency he created the group to ignite national debate about punishment for the most heinous of crimes.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2010/02/09/12807816.html

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&ref=search&gid=296218578076

 

[flipflop]

The key officer in the room was Detective-Sergeant Jim Smith, who last year had obtained a statement in the abduction and murder of eight-year-old Tori Stafford of Woodstock, Ont., last summer.


Doesn't anyone else read that as Jim Smith is good at getting people to talk? He's Behavioural Sciences unit or something isn't he?

I thought the LE that found Tori was Jim Smythe... different spelling.

If the statement and finding Tori LE are the same guy, that tells me he knew exactly what to look for (the silos, #6, large tree, laneway, house across the road) and didn't give up the search.

It is the same Jim Smythe involved in both cases, he is Detective Sergeant
Behavioural Sciences Section
Ontario Provincial Police

 

[pinkeyesucks]

I am confused about the timeline.

The ride check they set up was on Thursday Feb 4th, correct? In the evening.

But the local radio station announced a possible connection to the crimes being connected on Thursday morning. Here is a link to their website, but I couldn't find a time stamp on it.

http://www.mix97.com/news/2010/02/opp-investigating-connections-in-jessica-lloyd-case/

So when did they suspect that all of the crimes were related, before or after they talked to him in the ride check? I know it was on the radio that morning because I talked to my MIL in Florida that day and relayed the information to her. Did I miss a ride check the night before?

 

[Dee10]

I heard back from Christie. I took off my info, but I would be glad to send this to a mod for verification. This is an important clarification that needs to be done for justice & to preserve for Victoria Stafford info.:



"No worries, no offence, just a badly written sentence." This is from Christie.



From: a>
To: Blatchford, Christie
Sent: Wed Feb 10 16:59:03 2010
Subject: Re: The case against the colonel: 'Lingerie break-ins' and a 'treasure trove' of photo evidence
"The key officer in the room was Detective-Sergeant Jim Smith, who last year had obtained a statement (from Williams) in the abduction and murder of eight-year-old Tori Stafford of Woodstock, Ont., last summer."

I am willing to send this to a mod for verification, if someone asks. I think this valid question that needed to be resolved. I understand if you want someone to verify...just ask.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

I have a question for you since you are a military member if you don't mind answering. It was asked earlier on the board, and I don't believe it was every answered. How much involvement, if any, would the military police have in something of this nature, seeing as it happened off the military base? TIA

There are a couple of things that the military police MUST hand over to the civilian authorities. These are: murder, rape and (I believe) child molestation.

They can and do assist with passing along information, however...the jurisdiction belongs to the OPP or RCMP or other civilian police forces.

 

[LogicalMinds]

RIP Jessica...how sad, her life taken by this serial killer, her poor family

I personally find this simply horrifying....so random, so terrifying...the fact that it was a well known, well respected, high in command career military commanding officer...just horrific....mind blowing

This is just so scary...it was not a personal relationship (a bad husband/babydaddy/lover etc)....not a case of bad decisions (ie, a guy met in a bar, etc) not a scary/street bum kind of stranger...it was a well respected "pillar of the community"....commanding officer, distinguished career, married to a well regarded career woman successful in her own right

with the exception of a few "ahem" hollywood types, this guy has to be the most "high up" killer I can remember....and the "hollywooders" killed their wives...this guy apparently is a serial killer who was able to hold down such a high powered, high ranking military command?? Unreal

a picture of him with the Queen of England?? Unbelievable

I feel so sorry for his victims, and I feel sorry for the people in Canada who worked with/under him, his neighbors...I am sure that many many people are looking back and wondering how on earth didn't they realize they had a monster walking among them?? It is painful to think how his wife must be questioning every minute they shared all these years...just unreal

if this was a "tv show" plot it would be too "unbelievable" JMO

 

[antiquegirl]

I am confused about the timeline.

The ride check they set up was on Thursday Feb 4th, correct? In the evening.

But the local radio station announced a possible connection to the crimes being connected on Thursday morning. Here is a link to their website, but I couldn't find a time stamp on it.

http://www.mix97.com/news/2010/02/opp-investigating-connections-in-jessica-lloyd-case/

So when did they suspect that all of the crimes were related, before or after they talked to him in the ride check? I know it was on the radio that morning because I talked to my MIL in Florida that day and relayed the information to her. Did I miss a ride check the night before?

I'm too busy right now to look for references, but I believe LE suspected a link between the Comeau and Lloyd cases almost immediately. They likely identified the tire tracks from Jessica's driveway to a specific make soon after she was reported missing. I don't think it has been reported what evidence they had from Ms. Comeau's scene. But all they needed were treads that matched the ones from the second crime scene. I'm guessing that when RW was interrogated on Sunday, he was confronted with and confessed to both murders.

JMO

 

[maxfactor]

I heard back from Christie. I took off my info, but I would be glad to send this to a mod for verification. This is an important clarification that needs to be done for justice & to preserve for Victoria Stafford info.:



"No worries, no offence, just a badly written sentence." This is from Christie.



From: a>
To: Blatchford, Christie
Sent: Wed Feb 10 16:59:03 2010
Subject: Re: The case against the colonel: 'Lingerie break-ins' and a 'treasure trove' of photo evidence
"The key officer in the room was Detective-Sergeant Jim Smith, who last year had obtained a statement (from Williams) in the abduction and murder of eight-year-old Tori Stafford of Woodstock, Ont., last summer."

I am willing to send this to a mod for verification, if someone asks. I think this valid question that needed to be resolved. I understand if you want someone to verify...just ask.

Now, I can't believe what I'm seeing here! Just to clarify, is she definite that Williams gave a statement in the Tori Stafford case?

 

[nobodyzgirl]

There are a couple of things that the military police MUST hand over to the civilian authorities. These are: murder, rape and (I believe) child molestation.

They can and do assist with passing along information, however...the jurisdiction belongs to the OPP or RCMP or other civilian police forces.

Thank you for your quick response that helps me understand why he's being housed at the moment in a civilian jail.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

Are people implying that Williams was involved in Tori's abduction and murder? Come ON. Even I think that's waaaay far fetched...

 

[Hazel]

Or, a person can read between the lines:


"The key officer in the room was Detective-Sergeant Jim Smith, who last year had obtained a statement (from Williams) in the abduction and murder of eight-year-old Tori Stafford of Woodstock, Ont., last summer."

Surely this detective-sergeant was not brought into the Tori Stafford case to collect just one statement.

I'm confused, could someone please tell me if this is the same Sgt. that discovered little Tori's remains? Would it be possible that Ms. Blatchard made a typo in his last name, and he is in fact the same person? And perhaps what Ms. Blatchard is saying is that HE is that same person who obtained a statement perhaps from McClintic? JMO

UPDATE!!!
I hadn't caught up readiing before I wrote this. So he is in fact the same Sgt.
DEE : I am pretty sure (from Williams) was added by Summer trying to tell us, that is what she read between the lines. That is NOT written by Blatchard in her article. Here is the link to her article, and again my humble opinion is that what she means is Sgt. Smyth obtained a statement from McClintic, that is how he was able to "recognize" the location. JMHO
Also, when I first read Sgt. JS, I went "I heard that name before", so IMO that could have been the reason Ms. Blatchard mentioned Tori, and not because the 2 cases are connected in anyway. JMHO
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-case-against-the-colonel-lingerie-break-ins-and-a-treasure-trove-of-photo-evidence/article1462386/

CTV News Extended: Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth, criminal profiler, OPP Behavioural Sciences Section

The OPP detective who found the child's body in the small Ontario town of Mount Forest explains why he looked in the area that led him to finding the remains.

http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/remains-found/#clip195581

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

I think also what really bothers me, is the fact that he killed one of his own. One of OUR own.

The Trenton military personnel are like a big family...and the Wing Commander is like your father. It's his responsibility to look after everyone under his umbrella.

Ugh. Initially I was in disbelief. Then shock. Now I'm angry.

I've shaken hands and rubbed shoulders with pure evil :sick:

 

[antiquegirl]

Now, I can't believe what I'm seeing here! Just to clarify, is she definite that Williams gave a statement in the Tori Stafford case?

No, no. The red section was added by Dee10. Christie Blatchford's reply was:

""No worries, no offence, just a badly written sentence."

She's denying that Williams gave a statement in the Stafford case. Dee, please verify when you come back.

Hazel, yes. Jim Smyth is the same OPP profiler who did both interrogations, but as noted above, Williams was not questioned in Tori's case. Not then, not now. "Badly written sentence" in her article is what Ms. Blatchford admitted to.

 

[Dee10]

Now, I can't believe what I'm seeing here! Just to clarify, is she definite that Williams gave a statement in the Tori Stafford case?

No, no, no...IMO from her statement.

 

[maxfactor]

No, no, no...IMO from her statement.

Ok, had me worried there for a minute!

 

[LadyL]

I heard back from Christie. I took off my info, but I would be glad to send this to a mod for verification. This is an important clarification that needs to be done for justice & to preserve for Victoria Stafford info.:



"No worries, no offence, just a badly written sentence." This is from Christie.



From: a>
To: Blatchford, Christie
Sent: Wed Feb 10 16:59:03 2010
Subject: Re: The case against the colonel: 'Lingerie break-ins' and a 'treasure trove' of photo evidence
"The key officer in the room was Detective-Sergeant Jim Smith, who last year had obtained a statement (from Williams) in the abduction and murder of eight-year-old Tori Stafford of Woodstock, Ont., last summer."

I am willing to send this to a mod for verification, if someone asks. I think this valid question that needed to be resolved. I understand if you want someone to verify...just ask.

Why is the 'from williams' inserted in there? I don't really understand what the implication was to begin with and now I'm even more confused.

Jim Smyth is with the O.P.P. and was involved in both investigations. I just don't see what else there is to it and cryptic suggestions aren't helping. (this isn't aimed at you Dee - just bouncing off your post)

ETA: I think I see now that people thought that perhaps Smyth had obtained a statement from Williams in Tori's case? Lawd have mercy - someone shoulda just spit that out & I wouldn't been losing my mind trying to figure it out.

everyone, please forgive my um, irritability at the moment

 

[nonfictionrocks]

No, no, no...IMO from her statement.

I don't think anyone here is trying to attached Williams to the Stafford case. It was just another example of yet another poorly written sentence by someone who is supposed to be a "respected journalist" and, for whatever reason, felt the need to mention that he is the same Cop who discovered TS's body (of course his name was spelled incorrectly). I have to agree with Summer about common names and the confusion it has and will cause on these two threads.