Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

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  • #101
From the same article:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Police+remove+boxes+evidence+from+Williams+Westboro+home/2565091/story.html
" ... have matched a snowy print from a homicide scene to a boot worn by the former base commander."

I've seen mention of this boot print several times without it being identified as coming from Jessica's case. Is it possible that it actually came from Marie-France Comeau's crime scene? Was there snow on the ground, or could this report be mistaken and it could have come from soft or muddy ground? To link RW to both crimes this way would be a coup for LE.

JMO

When I read about LE matching the boots, I immediately thought of Mr Jones' statement, with regards to the sexual attacks in September, though the "snowy" and "homicide scene" remarks seem to point to Jessica's case. IDK, maybe LE has more than one set of boot prints.
He said police seized computers, compact discs, DVDs, a camera, his hunting knife and work-boots and other items from his house. Jones said he's still waiting for the return of some possessions.

The article seems to have been update or I might have missed reading this:
Bonnie Jones said they'd noticed Saturday that there were curious eyes on the opposite shore.

"There were undercover cars across the lake with binoculars so we knew someone was under surveillance," she said.

I find it interesting that LE had RW under surveillance on Saturday.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2440516
 
  • #102
I wonder if the media once again made the mistake and it should have read on Sunday?!?! Saturday just does not make sense, if RW was under surveilance on Saturday, why not check out his tires then, instead they set up an allday roadside stop on the hwy to check tires out on Sunday???? Does not add up in my books.

I think the roadside stop was on the previous Thursday, that's when LE first became suspicious of him.
 
  • #103
I think the roadside stop was on the previous Thursday, that's when LE first became suspicious of him.

My mistake, you are correct on that Maxfactor

On Feb. 4, police stopped cars travelling in both directions along Hwy. 37 north of Belleville, near Lloyd’s home where she vanished without any identification, her wallet or her car in January.

Therefore I does make sense that they were watching him after that!!!
 
  • #104
Such a shocker....now to hear that he has been "breaking and entering" for years??

Some random thoughts and pure speculation >>

>>> he may have done each of his b and e's..and his other horrible crimes..with "military precision"...? Over the years he probably took "advanced" courses...he probably read militry magazines...it would be "normal" if he ordered say "night vision goggles" or whatever wouldn't it??

>>> his marriage.....doesn't seem to be real "partners"....seems to me to be distant, maybe his choice....his wife had a fullfilling career....they had a cat for years, then when it died got an other...no kids, no dogs....she is a bit older than him

>>> I can well imagine that he kept his life compartmented...."my office...top secret military stuff...stay out"...

>>> the fact that the wife would stay at the new house overseeing construction etc by herself several times a week gave him more time to get into his horrible deeds JMO

>>> I am NOT "blaming" the wife....I am sure she is devasted...I just think that he was a cold, withdrawn man, a high achiever, not social but able to succeed at flying, military life

These are just some impressions I have
 
  • #105
Such a shocker....now to hear that he has been "breaking and entering" for years??

Some random thoughts and pure speculation >>

>>> he may have done each of his b and e's..and his other horrible crimes..with "military precision"...? Over the years he probably took "advanced" courses...he probably read militry magazines...it would be "normal" if he ordered say "night vision goggles" or whatever wouldn't it??

>>> his marriage.....doesn't seem to be real "partners"....seems to me to be distant, maybe his choice....his wife had a fullfilling career....they had a cat for years, then when it died got an other...no kids, no dogs....she is a bit older than him

>>> I can well imagine that he kept his life compartmented...."my office...top secret military stuff...stay out"...

>>> the fact that the wife would stay at the new house overseeing construction etc by herself several times a week gave him more time to get into his horrible deeds JMO

>>> I am NOT "blaming" the wife....I am sure she is devasted...I just think that he was a cold, withdrawn man, a high achiever, not social but able to succeed at flying, military life

These are just some impressions I have

With RW holding such a high and well decorated position in the military I am sure he was of the best of commiting B & E's. I just wonder for how many years that this game of his has been going on, before he started going forward and commiting more serious crimes. At least single women living along will feel a bit safer with this nut job behind bars, but will also make them more cautious at the same time.
 
  • #106
My mistake, you are correct on that Maxfactor

On Feb. 4, police stopped cars traveling in both directions along Hwy. 37 north of Belleville, near Lloyd’s home where she vanished without any identification, her wallet or her car in January.

Therefore I does make sense that they were watching him after that!!!
Exactly! that's why I thought Mrs. Jones comment about the binoculars on Saturday was interesting, and makes me wonder if:

*Disclaimer* The following are all entirely MY theories, and nothing to do with the case/investigation. I have no relationship whatsoever with anybody either related (family, friends, acquaintances) to the case, anybody investigating nor reporting the case. Everything is just a product of my imagination.

Theory 1:
RW was also aware he was being watched, and got nervous, packed his boxes with 'treasures' and brought them to Ottawa. If that was the case, maybe he thought he was going to have his cottage searched, and never in a million years imagined he was going to receive a "visit" in Ottawa.

Theory 2:
RW did notice LE and the binoculars, but thought it was Mr.Jones (whom he allegedly was trying to frame for his crimes), the one who was been watched. IF (big IF) he had 'planted' evidence that could incriminate Mr. Jones, then he was feeling confident everything was going according to his plans.

Theory 2:
RW didn't notice he was being watched, and as many criminals do, he returned to the scene of the crime, before returning to Ottawa, and unknowingly led LE to Jessica's body. (Not sure when he returned to Ottawa, could have been that same Saturday or the next day Sunday, when he was arrested).

Then again, it is more likely that I am totally off and none of these theories have anything to do with reality. Just throwing out a few of the many ideas that come to mind.
 
  • #107
When I read about LE matching the boots, I immediately thought of Mr Jones' statement, with regards to the sexual attacks in September, though the "snowy" and "homicide scene" remarks seem to point to Jessica's case. IDK, maybe LE has more than one set of boot prints.

I know that this is nitpicking, but I’m still wondering why it was never stated which homicide scene the print came from. That Ottawa Citizen article is the only one where the word “snowy” was used. Here are three others where the adjective was not used.

Ontario Provincial Police investigating Col. Russell Williams also said Sunday they have matched a print from a homicide scene to the 46-year-old’s boot.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ot...ll+Williams+accused+murder/2564970/story.html

Ontario Provincial Police investigating Colonel Russell Williams also said yesterday they have matched a print from a homicide scene to the 46-year-old's boot.

http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2565677#ixzz0ffYXZuwF

they were able to match a boot found in Williams' home to a footprint that was left at a hoicide scene.

http://ottawa.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...illiams_Search_100215/20100215/?hub=OttawaHom

I’m also wondering if by “homicide scene”, are they necessarily referring to Jessica’s home area? If she was killed elsewhere, the homicide scene could be somewhere else entirely, including the location where her body was found.

(snip)

I find it interesting that LE had RW under surveillance on Saturday.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2440516

If LE had him under surveillance on Saturday, it would be safe to assume that he was still in Tweed then. I wonder when exactly he drove to Ottawa (later on Saturday, or Sunday morning?) and if LE followed him there. It would make sense that they did.

JMO
 
  • #108
Such a shocker....now to hear that he has been "breaking and entering" for years??

Some random thoughts and pure speculation >>

>>> he may have done each of his b and e's..and his other horrible crimes..with "military precision"...? Over the years he probably took "advanced" courses...he probably read militry magazines...it would be "normal" if he ordered say "night vision goggles" or whatever wouldn't it??

>>> his marriage.....doesn't seem to be real "partners"....seems to me to be distant, maybe his choice....his wife had a fullfilling career....they had a cat for years, then when it died got an other...no kids, no dogs....she is a bit older than him

>>> I can well imagine that he kept his life compartmented...."my office...top secret military stuff...stay out"...

>>> the fact that the wife would stay at the new house overseeing construction etc by herself several times a week gave him more time to get into his horrible deeds JMO

>>> I am NOT "blaming" the wife....I am sure she is devasted...I just think that he was a cold, withdrawn man, a high achiever, not social but able to succeed at flying, military life

These are just some impressions I have

ITA with all your points LogicalMinds. Good thinking about the night-vision goggles! that could very well be the case.
 
  • #109
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Bonnie Jones said they'd noticed Saturday that there were curious eyes on the opposite shore.

"There were undercover cars across the lake with binoculars so we knew someone was under surveillance," she said

If LE were suspicious after the roadside stop on Thursday, RW with his intelligent military mind probably felt they were onto him. JMO I bet he packed up any treasures in Tweed and moved them to Ottawa very shortly after this stop. I also feel he was under watch since after this stop on Thursday and not noticed by neighbours until Saturday.
 
  • #110
Exactly! that's why I thought Mrs. Jones comment about the binoculars on Saturday was interesting, and makes me wonder if:

*Disclaimer* The following are all entirely MY theories, and nothing to do with the case/investigation. I have no relationship whatsoever with anybody either related (family, friends, acquaintances) to the case, anybody investigating nor reporting the case. Everything is just product of my imagination.

Theory 1:
RW was also aware he was been watched, and got nervous, packed his boxes with 'treasures' and brought them to Ottawa. If that was the case, maybe he thought he was going to have his cottage searched, and never in a million years imagined he was going to receive a "visit" in Ottawa.

Theory 2:
RW did notice LE and the binoculars, but thought it was Mr.Jones (whom he allegedly was trying to frame for his crimes), the one who was been watched. IF (big IF) he had 'planted' evidence that could incriminate Mr. Jones, then he was feeling confident everything was going according to his plans.

Theory 2:
RW didn't notice he was been watched, and as many criminals do, he returned to the scene of the crime, before returning to Ottawa, and unknowingly lead LE to Jessica's body. (Not sure when he returned to Ottawa, could have been that same Saturday or the next day Sunday, when he was arrested).

Then again, it is more likely that I am totally off and none of these theories have anything to do with reality. Just throwing out a few of the many ideas that come to mind.

Interesting theories, Hazel. The flaw in the last one, though, is that all reports state that Jessica's body was not found until Monday. There was no way RW could have unknowingly led LE to it before he went to Ottawa, as we know he was questioned and arrested there on Sunday.

Lloyd's body was found earlier Monday in Tweed

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100208/national/missing_belleville_woman

The body of Jessica Lloyd, 27, right, was found by police on Feb. 8.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/f-williams-biography.html
 
  • #111
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Bonnie Jones said they'd noticed Saturday that there were curious eyes on the opposite shore.

"There were undercover cars across the lake with binoculars so we knew someone was under surveillance," she said

If LE were suspicious after the roadside stop on Thursday, RW with his intelligent military mind probably felt they were onto him. JMO I bet he packed up any treasures in Tweed and moved them to Ottawa very shortly after this stop. I also feel he was under watch since after this stop on Thursday and not noticed by neighbours until Saturday.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I honestly don't believe RW suspected he was under surveillance. If he had, he'd have been smart enough to know that if LE were to search his Tweed home, they would also search his Ottawa home. If he had the slightest doubt, why not get rid of the trophies altogether (toss them in the lake or whatever), instead of moving them to his other house? This is not a stupid man, but he is an arrogant one. I believe he had evidence hidden in Ottawa all along and possibly in the cottage, as well. If he did take some with him on Saturday/Sunday, it was only because the Ottawa house had a better hiding place, not because he thought it would never be searched.

That's JMO.
 
  • #112
Interesting theories, Hazel. The flaw in the last one, though, is that all reports state that Jessica's body was not found until Monday. There was no way RW could have unknowingly led LE to it before he went to Ottawa, as we know he was questioned and arrested there on Sunday.

Lloyd's body was found earlier Monday in Tweed

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/100208/national/missing_belleville_woman

The body of Jessica Lloyd, 27, right, was found by police on Feb. 8.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/08/f-williams-biography.html

Yikes! I just noticed all my grammar mistakes :blushing: (English is not my first language, as you all probably already noticed :blushing: )

I have a question: "If all reports say Jessica was found Monday morning, is that a fact? I mean is that 100% accurate? Was that said by LE or just the reporters?

UPDATE : In this Press Conference, found the answer to my question:

CTV News Channel: OPP Det. Insp. Chris Nicholas
 
  • #113
Quote:
Bonnie Jones said they'd noticed Saturday that there were curious eyes on the opposite shore.

"There were undercover cars across the lake with binoculars so we knew someone was under surveillance," she said

If LE were suspicious after the roadside stop on Thursday, RW with his intelligent military mind probably felt they were onto him. JMO I bet he packed up any treasures in Tweed and moved them to Ottawa very shortly after this stop. I also feel he was under watch since after this stop on Thursday and not noticed by neighbours until Saturday.

wow, first time I've read that!
 
  • #114
Yikes! I just noticed all my grammar mistakes :blushing: (English is not my first language, as you all probably already noticed :blushing: )

I have a question: "If all reports say Jessica was found Monday morning, is that a fact? I mean is that 100% accurate? Was that said by LE or just the reporters?

There is no way to know if anything is 100% accurate. We can only go by what the media reports and hope for the best. The reporters have to get their information from somewhere, and presumably with something as important as this, they'd get it from LE, or at least verify it with them. We have to remember that "Monday morning" could be any time after midnight, February 8th.

JMO
 
  • #115
It does not surprise me that they had him under surveillance on the Saturday before the arrest. By the Thursday they were announcing on the radio that they believed all 4 crimes could possibly be related.

http://www.mix97.com/news/?s=jessica+lloyd

This was definitely a case where they needed to dot all the i's, and cross all the t's just in case he decided to fight it. Given the right resources a legal dream team may have been able to find a hole or two to exploit. Look at OJ...
 
  • #116
This has been floating around my head since the whole mess blew up. Profound words.

"The media, and many of us who are spectators, are presently engaged in a kind of frantic biography. It is a futile and self-destructing exercise. Biography is a form of fiction. The facts that one finds in a biography may be empirically verifiable, but the narrative itself is a lie."

Read more: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/...rk-of-cain-in-col-williams.aspx#ixzz0fiKQjeVa
 
  • #117
The secret life of Colonel Russell Williams

The truth—if police are correct—is that Williams was a man with two distinct faces, a meticulous, cold-blooded planner who could transform from officer to monster and back again in a matter of hours. Consider the timeline. On Sept. 16, 2009, he returned home from a trip to the remote Canadian Forces base in Alert, Nunavut. The next day, he allegedly broke into a woman’s house near his Tweed, Ont., home, tied her to a chair, sexually assaulted her, and photographed her naked body. Williams spent the rest of that week attending a military parade, playing in a golf tournament, and grinning for a photo op with minor hockey players.

The next sexual assault on his charge sheet—Sept. 30—was much like the first. It, too, occurred in the same neighbourhood where Williams lived. The unnamed victim woke up to find a man in her home, and then cowered in horror as he stripped off her clothes, fastened her wrists to a chair, and pulled out his camera. Back at CFB Trenton two days later, a smiling Williams presented a $700 cheque to the Heart and Stroke Foundation, the same charity where his wife, Mary Elizabeth Harriman, is the associate director.

2-page long article >> read more : http://www2.macleans.ca/2010/02/16/the-secret-life-of-colonel-russell-williams/

IMO, there's something weird with his eyes. Looks like his sanpaku is more prominent in his right eye. JMO
 
  • #118
When I venture home, I tend to drive by a little "drive in" partition that has some outhouses and a lake, where people who canoe unload and go on Tooey Lake. I have many a night stopped here to stretch, etc. until last year (Will have to see if I can scoop up the little tombstone article) when a woman got sexually assaulted by someone who was hiding either in the bushes beside or in the unit itself. I thought this was so entirely bizarre because the people in the surrounding areas are overly friendly and I can't see some random tourist waiting to assault someone (JMO). However, my point being- this is a common route to go back to Ottawa, you can either continue on highway 7, or you can swing highway 7 onto 41 and then take the 417. But it's definitely worth a look for the police that dealt with that case. Could be tied to RW.
 
  • #119
What really stands out to me, is that he DIDN'T have a lot of spare time.

His Beemer was parked in front of Wing Headquarters before I got there at 7:00 am and was there when I left at 4:00 pm. If I had to go in in the evening to catch up on some work, he was there in his office working.

He travelled. A LOT. He was an extremely busy man, as are all of the prior WComd's. It is a very busy, high tempo base, and especially with the taskings of the Olympics, Haiti, repatriations, Afghanistan, etc.

WComd's really don't have much down time - they're always putting out fires, authorizing, on their Blackberry's. I just don't get it. You don't get to that position by being a slacker - and you can't maintain that position being one.

It's a real head scratcher for me - of course, obviously he found time, but it really has me puzzled.
 
  • #120
What really stands out to me, is that he DIDN'T have a lot of spare time.

His Beemer was parked in front of Wing Headquarters before I got there at 7:00 am and was there when I left at 4:00 pm. If I had to go in in the evening to catch up on some work, he was there in his office working.

He travelled. A LOT. He was an extremely busy man, as are all of the prior WComd's. It is a very busy, high tempo base, and especially with the taskings of the Olympics, Haiti, repatriations, Afghanistan, etc.

WComd's really don't have much down time - they're always putting out fires, authorizing, on their Blackberry's. I just don't get it. You don't get to that position by being a slacker - and you can't maintain that position being one.

It's a real head scratcher for me - of course, obviously he found time, but it really has me puzzled.

I feel the same way, from all my friends who worked alongside, they said he would be in at 6 a.m. until 6 p.m. on many days. But I guess that leaves 4 hours, providing he slept 8? I am assuming he had access to a massive database too. So say he met someone he thought who was of interest, and drove by their house- bam, jump on the database gather a name, etc.

So bizarre.
 
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