Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[antiquegirl]

That could very well be how it went. I also wondered if perhaps she recognized him and that's why he killed her.

That's certainly a possibility. Another one to consider is that her mouth was covered in duct tape and her head with something else and she could have accidentally suffocated - even after he left her. It would still be murder.

JMO

 

[RubyRed]

Comeau's car was gone Wednesday morning, but his wife noticed the woman arrive back over the lunch hour.
http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2194366



Considering it was during the daytime , I think it was intentional. This one was different though , as the others happened during the middle of the night.

 

[Sillybilly]

Comeau's car was gone Wednesday morning, but his wife noticed the woman arrive back over the lunch hour.
http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2194366



Considering it was during the daytime , I think it was intentional. This one was different though , as the others happened during the middle of the night.

If I'm reading this right, the attack on Cpl Comeau was somewhat of a blitz.

The article says her car was seen arriving back over the lunch hour, then:

"A short time later Alexander walked out of his home to greet a service man when Comeau's boyfriend, who is also in the military, came running the road, yelling, "She's dead inside the house."

then:

Ontario Provincial Police say the woman's body was discovered at 12:58 p.m. after emergency services were dispatched to 252 Raglan Street in Brighton.

bbm

To most people, "over the lunch hour" would commence approx 12:00 noon, and Cpl Comeau was found less than an hour later.

 

[Paladine]

Williams hires high-profile defence lawyer
Timothy Appleby
Globe and Mail Update
Published on Wednesday, Feb. 17, 2010 2:14PM EST
Last updated on Wednesday, Feb. 17, 2010 2:28PM EST



read more : http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/williams-hires-high-profile-defence-lawyer/article1471452/

:waitasec: don't know what to think

I know that lawyer. He represented my Hubby on an impaired charge. Hubby was
.11, .08 is impaired, here. He got a fine, 3 month suspension, and an interlock device for a year...it could have been much worse...

Edelson is a very good lawyer, very expensive, but very good. And very connected and respected. This could be interesting.

 

[Sillybilly]

I think Mr. Edelsen is going to have his work cut out for him in defending this client. JMO, but from what I can see, he might be able to minimize a bit on sentencing, but I sure don't think RW is going to walk.

from:

http://www.northumberlandnews.com/news/article/148481

Cpl. Comeau became a flight attendant with 8 Wing Trenton's 437 Squadron after over a decade in the Canadian Forces. She was chosen to work as the Prime Minister and Governor General's flight attendant after six months on the job in 2009

bbm

Seems Cpl Comeau was chosen to be in pretty close proximity to RW from the time he became commander.

 

[flipflop]

I think Mr. Edelsen is going to have his work cut out for him in defending this client. JMO, but from what I can see, he might be able to minimize a bit on sentencing, but I sure don't think RW is going to walk.

from:

http://www.northumberlandnews.com/news/article/148481



bbm

Seems Cpl Comeau was chosen to be in pretty close proximity to RW from the time he became commander.

Cpl. Comeau became a flight attendant with 8 Wing Trenton's 437 Squadron after over a decade in the Canadian Forces. She was chosen to work as the Prime Minister and Governor General's flight attendant after six months on the job in 2009

does anyone know who would do the choosing to pick attendants to do this particular job? Would it have been RW?

 

[matou]

To most people, "over the lunch hour" would commence approx 12:00 noon, and Cpl Comeau was found less than an hour later.

by Sillybilly

This has got me thinking that he intended to kill her. He must have been in her home when she entered at noon (let's say 12:00). He may have just wanted her lingerie or more. He did what he did and she was killed. Let's assume she was asphyxiated as the reports have stated. He must have grabbed her right away and covered her mouth or hit her to knock her out. She is dead before the boyfriend gets there just before 1 p.m. the same day, so she is freshly dead when he finds her.

How did he get out of this house? Did he leave through the front door? It was in the middle of the day. I'm guessing she had neighbours who were in closer proximity to her than Jessica since it was reported that a neighbour thought Comeau said "What are YOU doing here?"

If Williams parked his car somewhere else, then he would have been walking in the area between noon and 1 p.m. A guy of his stature may have been recognized by someone driving by. This is the same day that he is in the photo being "arrested". I wonder if this photo was taken before of after 12 noon? This guy changed his pattern crime to crime, it seems.

 

[fats]

Speculation can be misleading!!

I agree with pikeyesucks---speculation is just that! Are the trucks outside his house in Ottawa and Tweed a big show? Does it mean that OPP have actually found evidence? Or could it also mean that they haven't and are just digging deeper because they have not found anything!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks
Yeah I'm not so sure that is completely accurate, but we'll go with it.


I'm sure going with it. It's way too much of a coincidence that RW talked to OPP investigators on Sunday and poor Jessica's remains were found early Monday morning. (And not one mention of the golf course. )

JMO
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Jef Mallett

 

[fats]

I know that lawyer. He represented my Hubby on an impaired charge. Hubby was
.11, .08 is impaired, here. He got a fine, 3 month suspension, and an interlock device for a year...it could have been much worse...

Edelson is a very good lawyer, very expensive, but very good. And very connected and respected. This could be interesting.

I hope your husband learned from this. Amazing what a good lawyer can do--and glad no one was hurt as a consequence of hubby's drunk-driving! As Martha says, "not a good thing!"

 

[antiquegirl]

Speculation can be misleading!!

I agree with pikeyesucks---speculation is just that! Are the trucks outside his house in Ottawa and Tweed a big show? Does it mean that OPP have actually found evidence? Or could it also mean that they haven't and are just digging deeper because they have not found anything!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkeyesucks
Yeah I'm not so sure that is completely accurate, but we'll go with it.


I'm sure going with it. It's way too much of a coincidence that RW talked to OPP investigators on Sunday and poor Jessica's remains were found early Monday morning. (And not one mention of the golf course. )

JMO
__________________
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.

Jef Mallett

(BBM)

I agree. Which is why I have "JMO" (just my opinion) at the bottom of my post, which you have copied into yours.

A big part of our work here at WS is speculation and the hope that we can find some logical answers from it. Otherwise, all we would have is the same information as given by the media, which would not advance the cause. It's important (and part of the TOS) that we each make clear in our posts what is speculation and what are facts that have been given by authorized sources. Even some media info cannot be relied upon to be 100% accurate, as we have all learned.

JMO

 

[RubyRed]

Col. Williams to make court appearance in Belleville

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Williams+make+court+appearance+Belleville/2578450/story.html

 

[nursebeeme]

Cpl. Comeau became a flight attendant with 8 Wing Trenton's 437 Squadron after over a decade in the Canadian Forces. She was chosen to work as the Prime Minister and Governor General's flight attendant after six months on the job in 2009

does anyone know who would do the choosing to pick attendants to do this particular job? Would it have been RW?

let me take a stab at this, as my hubby is a LTC in the US Army (we have been in going on 20 years);

the way you get jobs in the military is thru your branch manager. That being said, she could have requested the job herself if she was qualified and there was an opening OR there could have been a 'by name request' which would mean that she knew/had worked with someone, knew of the job opening, and was specifically requested by the commander. If he had known her before and was in that specific chain of command at the time I could see a by name request being a possibility. MOO


ETA: jobs at this level could also require an application/interview process that is competitive in nature.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

Speculation can be misleading!!

I agree with pikeyesucks---speculation is just that! Are the trucks outside his house in Ottawa and Tweed a big show? Does it mean that OPP have actually found evidence? Or could it also mean that they haven't and are just digging deeper because they have not found anything!!

snipped and bbm

This is JMO only - I think LE has more important things to do than make a big show by showing up with trucks. According to media reports (and yes, I know they are not always accurate), the trucks are there for bringing equipement. I would assume that this includes, the power tools, etc. that they are using to cut up the floors, walls, etc. I'm sure they learned there lesson from Bernardo case, and this time they will leave no stone unturned to ensure they have collected everything they need.

I also think because of his post in the Canadian Armed Forces, they will be making sure every single thing is done by the book (especially now because he has retained counsel) to ensure that he doesn't walk on a technicality.

Again, this is just strictly MOO

 

[nobodyzgirl]

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/02/18/colonel-russell-williams-court-belleville.html

Williams, 46, appeared on an-old style 36-inch TV screen before a packed courtroom at the Ontario Court of Justice in Belleville, Ont., at 10:30 a.m.

Dressed in an orange prison jumpsuit, he walked up to the camera at the Quinte Detention Centre in Napanee, Ont. A pale blue cement wall and a heavy metal door were visible in the background.

A legal representative for Williams requested that his next court appearance be March 25 by video. Justice of the peace Deanne Chappelle agreed. Williams said "thank you," then turned and walked away.

Williams has been charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of Jessica Lloyd, 27, and Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 38, as well as counts of breaking and entering, forcible confinement and the sexual assault of two other women in Tweed, a small community north of Belleville. Williams was the commander of nearby CFB Trenton.

His brief court appearance Thursday drew about 60 people, leaving standing room only in the courtroom. Two Ontario Provincial Police officers and two Canadian military police officers were present, in addition the the two Belleville police officers typically on duty. The spectators included about a dozen reporters and courtroom sketch artists.

Now this is interesting, according to this article, his lawyer wasn't present, though he sent an articling student. I get that this appearance was strictly standard and nothing would be gleamed from it, though I find it amusing that he sent a student and not an associate:

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...ed-in-slayings/article1472693/?service=mobile

I also found this interesting in this article as well (BBM):

Among the spectators and media in the packed courtroom was Air Force Lieut. Tony O'Keeffe, who commands the 1,000-strong cadet military cadet college in Kingston. Outside court Lieut. O'Keeffe said he would be monitoring the criminal proceedings as “the eyes and ears" of the military.

He also said he would be travelling to Quinte later in the day to meet Col. Williams, whom he has known personally for nine years. Lieut. O'Keeffe said he was shocked to the core by the charges.

 

[antiquegirl]

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/02/18/colonel-russell-williams-court-belleville.html

(Respectfully snipped)

Thanks for this NBG. I wonder why the CBC opted to put this in their "Politics" section. The previous article about his upcoming court date was in the "Canada" category. Was this placement an editorial error? I fail to see how this falls under political news.

JMO

 

[antiquegirl]

It's JMO that Williams would not have worn his uniform while committing any of his alleged offences. Still, I have to wonder how often his uniforms would have been dry cleaned. I'm guessing that LE has removed every article of his clothing from all residences to look for any remaining evidence from the crimes. I also wonder if they found any duct tape in the same colour(s) as used in the assaults.

JMO

 

[pinkeyesucks]

So let's say that the media got it right in this case and that "Comeau’s death was unintentional and that she was meant to live.”

5 minutes of surfing on the internet and I come up with this....


John Wayne Gacy is claims the death of his first victim was "unintentional".

PB and KH's "first kill was unintentional, but the circumstances under which death occurred were perhaps more outrageous than any premeditated serial killing." http://www.hillside-strangler.com/hillside_strangler-team_killers_002.htm



Check out the opening to this research paper....I really wish I could get a copy of the whole thing. http://bases.bireme.br/cgi-bin/wxis...Action=lnk&exprSearch=17980531&indexSearch=ID

Which brings me to my next point. Asphyxia can be preformed in many ways. There is strangulation, and here is a link to a book excerpt that explains that it ranks very high on the list of serial murders.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=SZT...=serial murders death by asphyxiation&f=false

Here are some other examples of how asphyxia can occur... http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Asphyxia

The term burking is often ascribed to a killing method that involves simultaneous smothering and compression of the torso. The term "burking" comes from the method William Burke and William Hare used to kill their victims during the West Port murders. The Burke and Hare murders were serial murders perpetrated in Edinburgh, Scotland, from November, 1827 through October 31, 1828. The killings were attributed to Irish immigrants William Burke and William Hare, who sold the corpses of their 17 victims to provide material for dissection....They killed the usually-intoxicated victims by sitting on their chests and suffocating them by putting a hand over their nose and mouth, while using the other hand to push the victim's jaw up. The corpses had no visible injuries, and were supplied to medical schools for money.
Compressive asphyxia (also called chest compression) is the mechanical limitation of the expansion of the lungs by compressing the torso, hence interfering with breathing. Compressive asphyxia occurs when the chest or abdomen is compressed posteriorly. The cause of death of detainees who have been restrained and left prone, for example in police vehicles, and are not able to move into safer positions has been referred to as 'positional asphyxia'.

In regard to the big trucks and saws and drills at both homes.....

It occurred to me last night that legally they can't run his dna for any crime that he is not charged with UNLESS THEY HAVE EVIDENCE LINKING him to the crime. They have a search warrant to look, so wouldn't now be the time to get as much as they can?

I really don't know where I am going with this...Need some time to formulate without babies crying in the background Nap time I think!

This is all purely speculative on my part, and somewhat mind boggling....

 

[Paladine]

I hope your husband learned from this. Amazing what a good lawyer can do--and glad no one was hurt as a consequence of hubby's drunk-driving! As Martha says, "not a good thing!"

Oh, I couldn't agree more. Dangerous, stupid and selfish. He heard all about it. And it scared him big time, he needs to drive to work. This was 2006, he has never gotten tipsy since.

 

[Paladine]

It's JMO that Williams would not have worn his uniform while committing any of his alleged offences. Still, I have to wonder how often his uniforms would have been dry cleaned. I'm guessing that LE has removed every article of his clothing from all residences to look for any remaining evidence from the crimes. I also wonder if they found any duct tape in the same colour(s) as used in the assaults.

JMO

I'm thinking he may have worn his uniform with Jessica. Reportedly, they found boot prints at the scene that matched his. Snow boots or work boots, I wonder. If they are military boots, I would think he'd only wear those in uniform, no? Just a thought...

Police detectives investigating accused sex killer and rapist Col. Russell Williams have recovered evidence -- including hidden keepsakes -- from his Westboro home and have matched a snowy print from a homicide scene to a boot worn by the former base commander

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Po...otprint+boot+worn+Williams/2566489/story.html

 

[antiquegirl]

I'm thinking he may have worn his uniform with Jessica. Reportedly, they found boot prints at the scene that matched his. Snow boots or work boots, I wonder. If they are military boots, I would think he'd only wear those in uniform, no? Just a thought...

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Po...otprint+boot+worn+Williams/2566489/story.html

It's feasible that he did wear his uniform. The reason I suspect he didn't is because of the risk of damaging it during a struggle and the possibility of contamination by evidence. Those uniforms must be very expensive to replace. Much easier and cheaper to dispose of civilian clothes if necessary.

Also, I still believe that Jessica was caught unaware after she was asleep. If RW broke into her house in the middle of the night (as he allegedly did with the assault victims), he would have been unlikely to be in uniform. It would be so helpful to know if her bed was made or not the following morning (presuming that making it up was her regular habit).

JMO