Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

[satchel]

If the Colonel has confessed to all of his crimes, personally I could not care less if he starves or suffocates himself. As far as I am concerned, it would save us a tremendous amount of time and money in court proceedings, not to mention his life-long prison term. Not having to feed him anymore is a bonus on top of the savings we have when he is not around to collect any pensions. Good riddance!

JMO

I really don't think he has any intention of killing himself. I think both the suicide attempt and the hunger strike are both means of getting placed in a lower security situation....either general hospital or psychiatric hospital where he can manipulate people and have a better opportunity of escaping. JMO

 

[Pink Panther]

If he has confessed to other crimes (other than stealing underwear) wouldn't we have heard something by now?

It seems reasonable to believe that LE is investigating other possible links now that they know what they do about the four crimes he's been charged with but perhaps, he hasn't openly fessed up to more?

 

[Summersolstice]

It might be timely to read here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=99104&page=9&highlight=lachlan+cranswick

 

[Summersolstice]

Like Mr. Jones, this victim was blamed, but she was blamed for being attacked:

http://www.bernardgauthier.ca/?p=75

The victim settled out of court with those who blamed her: Carleton University. The university then launched a safety campaign.

 

[Summersolstice]

This particular photo is one that I hadn't seen before:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ell-williams-on-hunger-strike/article1529801/

 

[pinkeyesucks]

It seems to me that when attempting suicide while awaiting trial it could be almost a persons way of -well, for lack of a better word, "cheating" the justice system. While I am all for a person's right to choose whether they live or die, I am having a hard time feeling like he should be given that right, because all of the victims never had a chance to have their rights protected. No one was there when they were attacked, no one was there when they were murdered. And while I do believe that it is important to protect the rights of people that are in prison my heart aches for the families that wait for justice

Purely opinion, and not worth much.

 

[Sillybilly]

While I am all for a person's right to choose whether they live or die, I am having a hard time feeling like he should be given that right, because all of the victims never had a chance to have their rights protected.

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Amen pinkeye !! Not to mention that, while RW claims his feelings are unbearable, there appears to be no consideration to how unbearable it must have been for the beautiful and innocent victims as a monster snuffed out their lives in exchange for a few moments of perverse satisfaction.

 

[antiquegirl]

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Amen pinkeye !! Not to mention that, while RW claims his feelings are unbearable, there appears to be no consideration to how unbearable it must have been for the beautiful and innocent victims as a monster snuffed out their lives in exchange for a few moments of perverse satisfaction.

I agree with what you, SB, and PES wrote, but again I have to play devil's advocate. We have to remember that under the Charter of Rights, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I DO believe that RW is more than likely guilty of the crimes with which he's been charged, but my belief is worth nothing. Until we are told by the authorities that he has fully confessed, or he is convicted in court, I'd prefer that he stay alive long enough that we hear what really happened. Once we have proof of his guilt, I say let the chips fall where they may. I won't shed a single tear for him.

JMO and please don't hold it against me.

 

[Sillybilly]

I agree with what you, SB, and PES wrote, but again I have to play devil's advocate. We have to remember that under the Charter of Rights, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I DO believe that RW is more than likely guilty of the crimes with which he's been charged, but my belief is worth nothing. Until we are told by the authorities that he has fully confessed, or he is convicted in court, I'd prefer that he stay alive long enough that we hear what really happened. Once we have proof of his guilt, I say let the chips fall where they may. I won't shed a single tear for him.

JMO and please don't hold it against me.

S'okay AG ... we are all together in the court of public opinion.

PS .. I am busy drafting a "Canadian Charter of Wrongs"

 

[pinkeyesucks]

I agree with what you, SB, and PES wrote, but again I have to play devil's advocate. We have to remember that under the Charter of Rights, everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I DO believe that RW is more than likely guilty of the crimes with which he's been charged, but my belief is worth nothing. Until we are told by the authorities that he has fully confessed, or he is convicted in court, I'd prefer that he stay alive long enough that we hear what really happened. Once we have proof of his guilt, I say let the chips fall where they may. I won't shed a single tear for him.

JMO and please don't hold it against me.

I think that was the the point I was trying to make. That they should be allowed to intervene during the hunger strike because he is still awaiting trial, and guilty or innocent the trial should have to go on. Following trial or confession of guilt I have no problem with letting him pull the plug. A hunger strike is just one more way for him to feel in control the situation and say you may have found me but you will never contain me. It brings to mind a child holding their breath to get whatever they desire.

And I most certainly will not hold it against you!

 

[antiquegirl]

I think that was the the point I was trying to make. That they should be allowed to intervene during the hunger strike because he is still awaiting trial, and guilty or innocent the trial should have to go on. Following trial or confession of guilt I have no problem with letting him pull the plug. A hunger strike is just one more way for him to feel in control the situation and say you may have found me but you will never contain me. It brings to mind a child holding their breath to get whatever they desire.

And I most certainly will not hold it against you!

Pink: ITA and thanks.
Billy: LOL!

It seems I was wrong in a previous post about force-feeding. I wasn't envisioning a funnel down the throat - more like nutrients given via an intravenous tube, as they do with coma patients, but now I'm confused as to what is legal. According to this, the practice has been outlawed:

On many occasions in the past prisoners have been force-fed by feeding tube when they went on hunger strike. It has been prohibited since 1975 by the Declaration of Tokyo of the World Medical Association, provided that the prisoner is "capable of forming an unimpaired and rational judgment.

However,

If an individual refuses to eat because of a mental disorder and if the refusal continues for a sufficient period of time that there is a risk of serious physical debilitation or death, a court order can be obtained to administer nutrition and hydration to prevent serious physical debilitation and death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force-feeding

I'm interested in seeing how this will play out.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

Okay folks on the emotional side of this, if his "feelings are too much to bear" then seriously, honestly...why are there so many victims of these crimes? If feelings had EVER come into play these crimes would not have happened.

Not much in life makes me angry, but I find myself as angry as a bear in a beehive over this. I WILL change my community. I WILL make it safer to live here. And I will do everything in my power to make sure my children do the same.

pinkeyesucks*steps off of soap box....

Phew....that feels better having it out!

Purely based on my opinion, which was formulated on the assumption that the party responsible for the crimes in question will be proven in a court of law, and that being said, realizes that the person currently being held for said crimes has not yet been taken to trial.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

S'okay AG ... we are all together in the court of public opinion.

PS .. I am busy drafting a "Canadian Charter of Wrongs"

OH! Oh oh OH! I think we should combine all of our experience and draft one together! I have so much to gripe about!!!!

 

[antiquegirl]

Okay folks on the emotional side of this, if his "feelings are too much to bear" then seriously, honestly...why are there so many victims of these crimes? If feelings had EVER come into play these crimes would not have happened.

(Respectfully snipped)

We have no way of knowing what those "feelings" are, but I doubt it has to do with guilt or remorse. More likely, they are humiliation, self-pity, fear of the future, and helplessness. As you've said, RW's loss of control and prestige must be totally foreign and excruciating for him. I suspect that he is now ostracized by all his family, friends, and ex co-workers and has no one left. Assuming he is guilty, I say "tough noogies"!

JMO

 

[Summersolstice]

There is documentation that comes from RCMP internal personnel hearings, as posted on scribd.com. Sorry, unable to post link. You can find it with the search terms "scribd + kevin gregson". This is the RCMP constable charged in the murder of an Ottawa police officer. Gregson is no longer on suicide watch:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...0&mb=2&usg=AFQjCNFIfVi4TPskBSQyK0OFwbX2H2fUyw

For reference only, but interesting to see the way the case was handled. The outcome, however, was tragic.

 

[Summersolstice]

Now you see it:

http://www.canada.com/technology/Ac...omplished+fractured+family/2552513/story.html

 

[Sillybilly]

... I'm interested in seeing how this will play out.

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Hopefully the judicial system will consider his hunger strike to constitute OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE !!

 

[Summersolstice]

A Lt.-Col. has just released a very timely report about suicide in the military:

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.h...+NP_Top_Stories+(National+Post+-+Top+Stories)

It is very timely that this report, which takes into account 25 years of death records, has been released at this time.

 

[pinkeyesucks]

How come the British news seems more specific than the Canadian News?


Anybody else come across these numbers?


"Police across Canada have also reopened cold case files to look again at eight unsolved murders and 48 sex crimes dating back to the 80s."

http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/m...ller-suspect-in-suicide-bid-66331-26215645/2/

 

[flipflop]

Okay folks on the emotional side of this, if his "feelings are too much to bear" then seriously, honestly...why are there so many victims of these crimes? If feelings had EVER come into play these crimes would not have happened.

"feelings are too much to bear" This is JMO...
He cannot handle his life now that his life is being controlled. He was used to being in charge, being in control. Just like an alcoholic...when they feel the need, they have another drink, just like a smoker...when they feel the need they have another smoke. Or just like a twisted sex addict (?) he goes out and steals womans panties to get his cheap and twisted thrill or goes out and rapes and or murders an innocent woman to fill his need....now he cannot fill his need and he cannot live with that. It must be like being in detox for an alcoholic. I hope this goes on for quite sometime for him, it is nice to see him have such a hard time suffering.