GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #5

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  • #41
This may have been already posted but here it is again.. what stood out for me in this article was the statement that even though he has been receiving full pay since arrest and will continue for another 45 days after convicted, he may not be able to repay the military if it has been chewed up with lawyers etc..therefore no funds no repayment.... guess you can't get blood from a turnip but there are other assets......

http://www.northumberlandtoday.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2802217

Following links were sent to me by a correspondent:

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20100414.escenic_1533823/BNStory/National/

Above link lists annual salaries 2009 for charitable foundations, among them the Heart and Stroke Foundation of Ontario. Scroll down to salaries for executives.

Now, link below gives:

Staff

M--- E-------- H-------
Associate Executive Director
Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada
Ottawa, ON

http://www.canadianstrokestrategy.ca/eng/aboutus/working.html

Together that totals between $259,000 and $494,000 for 2009, depending on MEH's salary range.
 
  • #42
Following links were sent to me by a correspondent:

http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20100414.escenic_1533823/BNStory/National/

Above link lists annual salaries 2009 for charitable foundations, among them the Heart and Stroke Foundation of Ontario. Scroll down to salaries for executives.

Now, link below gives:

Staff

M--- E-------- H-------
Associate Executive Director
Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada
Ottawa, ON

http://www.canadianstrokestrategy.ca/eng/aboutus/working.html

Together that totals between $259,000 and $494,000 for 2009, depending on MEH's salary range.

I think I understand the implication here and can only speak for myself. If I were a victim of one of these horrific crimes, whether as an assault victim or relative of a murdered child, I would want nothing to do with blood money coming from the hands of a sick sadist. What would I do with it? Go on a cruise? Buy a fur coat? Would that ease my pain? I don't think so. If the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board insisted on giving me money, I would turn it over to an appropriate charity. Ironically, MEH already works for a charity. And it's not as if taking money from RW would affect him - he'll never have the opportunity to spend any of it.

JMO

Or am I missing something here?
 
  • #43
I think I understand the implication here and can only speak for myself. If I were a victim of one of these horrific crimes, whether as an assault victim or relative of a murdered child, I would want nothing to do with blood money coming from the hands of a sick sadist. What would I do with it? Go on a cruise? Buy a fur coat? Would that ease my pain? I don't think so. If the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board insisted on giving me money, I would turn it over to an appropriate charity. Ironically, MEH already works for a charity. And it's not as if taking money from RW would affect him - he'll never have the opportunity to spend any of it.

JMO

Or am I missing something here?

Some people might consider using it for hardwood floors.
 
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Im interested to hear everyones opinion about the substantial amount of info that we have heard over the past 2 days. Do you think is was appropriate, not appropriate, was it too detailed????

At times when a certain tweet was VERY gross, I thought WOW too much information, did we really need to hear that. I felt extremely horrible for the family of the victim involved. Yet again, it re-educates us to how a serial killer can be ANYONE even someone of a higher power like a Col. From reading the recent details it has certainly put my guard up higher, I check my windows nightly, always lock my doors and close my blinds etc.

If sensibilities were offended, or if the public experienced any degree of discomfort or suffering from reading the horrific details of RW's vicious crimes, it pales in comparison to what these two vibrant, gracious and innocent human beings went through at the hands of this freak of nature, this abomination of a human being. I can't explain it well, but i feel our suffering through the details is somehow a small tribute we can offer up to these victims ... to fully understand and acknowledge what they experienced, and to therefore fully understand that the monster that inflicted this degree of degradation and pain can exist, and will forever be reviled by all that is good.

"Evil exists when good men do nothing" ... then it is in the knowing that hopefully we can do something.

Rest in peace Marie-France and Jessica
forever in the arms of gentle and loving angels
 
  • #46
I think I understand the implication here and can only speak for myself. If I were a victim of one of these horrific crimes, whether as an assault victim or relative of a murdered child, I would want nothing to do with blood money coming from the hands of a sick sadist. What would I do with it? Go on a cruise? Buy a fur coat? Would that ease my pain? I don't think so. If the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board insisted on giving me money, I would turn it over to an appropriate charity. Ironically, MEH already works for a charity. And it's not as if taking money from RW would affect him - he'll never have the opportunity to spend any of it.

JMO

Or am I missing something here?

I simply provided information for each to consider as they see fit. I see the matter from different perspectives.

We might consider the long-term cost of counseling for the rape and assault victims. The trauma they have experienced can never be erased. Their lives as they were and had a right to cannot be restored to them.

It is reasonable to think that the many young girls will need counseling also - just to regain a sense that home is safe and they can sleep peacefully without fearful thoughts of another RW invading while they sleep. Can their parents afford this costly help? Why should RW not bear the cost of the damage he has done to them? They are much more precious than floors.

I understand that the annual cost of keeping a prisoner is about $100,000. RW could live another 30 years. That is a $3,000,000 burden that the taxpayers will bear. Add his $60,000 annual pension for 30 years ($1,800,000) which taxpayers will also bear. How do each of you feel about that?

As for the floors, when the law enforcement officers entered the home it was co-owned by RW and MEH. Their entry into the home was caused by the criminal acts of one of those owners. Without the crime there would have been no damage to the floors. The damage was a direct result of RW's criminal acts. Frankly, I think that MEH's demand that the officers pay for the damages is her need to strike out in anger for the hurt and humiliation she has suffered. Her anger is misdirected. It is RW who deserves that.

The $3000 is a pittance when the couples' combined income is considered. She should be embarrassed to expect the taxpayers to add that to the high cost of prosecuting her husband for the vile crimes he has committed against innocent, undeserving victims and society as a whole.
 
  • #47
I simply provided information for each to consider as they see fit. I see the matter from different perspectives.

We might consider the long-term cost of counseling for the rape and assault victims. The trauma they have experienced can never be erased. Their lives as they were and had a right to cannot be restored to them.

It is reasonable to think that the many young girls will need counseling also - just to regain a sense that home is safe and they can sleep peacefully without fearful thoughts of another RW invading while they sleep. Can their parents afford this costly help? Why should RW not bear the cost of the damage he has done to them? They are much more precious than floors.

I understand that the annual cost of keeping a prisoner is about $100,000. RW could live another 30 years. That is a $3,000,000 burden that the taxpayers will bear. Add his $60,000 annual pension for 30 years ($1,800,000) which taxpayers will also bear. How do each of you feel about that?

As for the floors, when the law enforcement officers entered the home it was co-owned by RW and MEH. Their entry into the home was caused by the criminal acts of one of those owners. Without the crime there would have been no damage to the floors. The damage was a direct result of RW's criminal acts. Frankly, I think that MEH's demand that the officers pay for the damages is her need to strike out in anger for the hurt and humiliation she has suffered. Her anger is misdirected. It is RW who deserves that.

The $3000 is a pittance when the couples' combined income is considered. She should be embarrassed to expect the taxpayers to add that to the high cost of prosecuting her husband for the vile crimes he has committed against innocent, undeserving victims and society as a whole.

Might I add that when looking at information we have been provided regarding the division of assets of her and her husband it appears that Jane Doe has a case.

The floor deal indicates that MEH firmly believes that damages should be compensated. According to this train of thought, all the assets of RW should be offered to the victims. Although this would only be a fraction of the damages they deserve, it would be appropriate. If RW has indeed handed assets over to her since his arrest then those assets should be included.

Their assets should be divided as if they are getting divorced (50/50 of accumulated assets) This may be what they did but if she got the house in Ottawa and he got the house in Tweed, then it appears to not have been the case.

Justice includes compensating victims. After her floors were victimized she sought compensation so I would assume she agrees. If she made a deal to get some of RW's assets before the victims could, then in my opinion she would be guilty of obstruction of justice, at least in terms of civility.

I'm afraid that when Jane Doe does get to court her lawyer might not be the one who has the Porsche, but MEH will have her entourage of legal aid.
 
  • #48
I am new to this case and have been reading for hours now - my memory's getting a bit jumbled.... Did the court have to watch his videos of the victims or were they just described in words? I can't imagine making a juror watch this horrid stuff..
 
  • #49
Here is the evidence picture released yesterday:

This evidence photo was released by the court and shows tire marks and footprints made by Russell Williams while near Jessica Lloyd's home



5099340378_92834569fc_z.jpg


http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-crime-map-big-1000px-101910.pdf
 
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  • #51
I simply provided information for each to consider as they see fit. I see the matter from different perspectives.

We might consider the long-term cost of counseling for the rape and assault victims. The trauma they have experienced can never be erased. Their lives as they were and had a right to cannot be restored to them.

It is reasonable to think that the many young girls will need counseling also - just to regain a sense that home is safe and they can sleep peacefully without fearful thoughts of another RW invading while they sleep. Can their parents afford this costly help? Why should RW not bear the cost of the damage he has done to them? They are much more precious than floors.

I understand that the annual cost of keeping a prisoner is about $100,000. RW could live another 30 years. That is a $3,000,000 burden that the taxpayers will bear. Add his $60,000 annual pension for 30 years ($1,800,000) which taxpayers will also bear. How do each of you feel about that?

As for the floors, when the law enforcement officers entered the home it was co-owned by RW and MEH. Their entry into the home was caused by the criminal acts of one of those owners. Without the crime there would have been no damage to the floors. The damage was a direct result of RW's criminal acts. Frankly, I think that MEH's demand that the officers pay for the damages is her need to strike out in anger for the hurt and humiliation she has suffered. Her anger is misdirected. It is RW who deserves that.

The $3000 is a pittance when the couples' combined income is considered. She should be embarrassed to expect the taxpayers to add that to the high cost of prosecuting her husband for the vile crimes he has committed against innocent, undeserving victims and society as a whole.


Thank-you, Deputy Dawg. Well said.
 
  • #52
MSM loves telling the story of how nobody in a thousand years would have thought RW capable of these crimes. There are also stories of people who thought he wasn't "all that". These people who are doing interviews about how they were completely duped by RW are the same ones singing the praises of MEH.

Actions speak louder than words. JMO.
 
  • #53
I think I understand the implication here and can only speak for myself. If I were a victim of one of these horrific crimes, whether as an assault victim or relative of a murdered child, I would want nothing to do with blood money coming from the hands of a sick sadist. What would I do with it? Go on a cruise? Buy a fur coat? Would that ease my pain? I don't think so. If the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board insisted on giving me money, I would turn it over to an appropriate charity. Ironically, MEH already works for a charity. And it's not as if taking money from RW would affect him - he'll never have the opportunity to spend any of it.

JMO

Or am I missing something here?

I feel for the victims that were assaulted and who live to tell about it today. I don't blame them one bit if they all go after a civil lawsuit. We don't know Jane Doe's financial background. I can imagine that she has lived in hell since the attack, now with all the detailed reports of each B and E and every assault and now the details of murders, I cannot imagine what her life is like today. She would feel that she came so close to death herself. How does JD get to the point in her life where she can get past this, how does she get up in the morning to go to work, has she been able to yet? Can she pay her bills? Will she lose her house? Will she be able to trust anyone again? If you put yourself in her shoes, would you be able to carry on a normal life, going to work, paying your bills??? Call it blood money or not, I hope she wins the lawsuit. Perhaps she sees this as: RW took everything from her (trust, sense of security, etc) and now she possibly has a chance to take something from him. Even if MEH looses her house over it, this will still hurt RW as he did state that he didn't want his confession to hurt his wife. Winning the lawsuit is still nothing compared to what RW took from JD, but at least it is something. It will not ease JD's pain, but will help her out with whatever she needs help with. RW needs to pay for his damages! Afterall, WE the public are paying for his floors!!!! All I can say is JD, if you are reading this, YOU GO GIRL! I hope she wins the lawsuit against the 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬!
 
  • #54
I am new to this case and have been reading for hours now - my memory's getting a bit jumbled.... Did the court have to watch his videos of the victims or were they just described in words? I can't imagine making a juror watch this horrid stuff..

Williams plead guilty, and The Crown has been reading selected descriptions based on them watching Williams Videos, his spreadsheet and journal entries, photos, and lengthy confession. The court did not have to view video, but they have been shown many photos, and the descriptions alone are enough to have our country horrified.

It is being read to The Court, to go on record, to preserve the heinous acts officially as court record, so the SOB can't ever get out again (hopefully). It will be important if he is ever before a Parole Board.

HTH
 
  • #55
Here is the evidence picture released yesterday:

This evidence photo was released by the court and shows tire marks and footprints made by Russell Williams while near Jessica Lloyd's home


5099340378_92834569fc_z.jpg


http://www.cbc.ca/news/pdf/williams-crime-map-big-1000px-101910.pdf



I don't know if one of the footprints is JL's above, in the evidence photo, or not. There was mention in the blogs yesterday, that they had JL's footprint, and the one on the left does look smaller to me.

The CBC lists them both as RW's. The location of them indicates to me that they must have both been RW's.

So, if that is the case, then he wore at least 2 different types of boots, and therefore, was indeed there another time prior to the murder.
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  • #56
I don't know if one of the footprints is JL's above, in the evidence photo, or not. There was mention in the blogs yesterday, that they had JL's footprint, and the one on the left does look smaller to me.

The CBC lists them both as RW's. The location of them indicates to me that they must have both been RW's.

So, if that is the case, then he wore at least 2 different types of boots, and therefore, was indeed there another time prior to the murder.

It appears to me that footwear B parked the SUV away from the home and then walked a bee line to the home.

Then when they left the house he followed the treeline in the back in an attempt to not be seen from the road.

I could very well be wrong about this. It seems odd that the one position of Footwear A is behind the house and not between the house and SUV.

What is the Watch evidence? Did somebody lose their watch?
 
  • #57
What is the Watch evidence? Did somebody lose their watch?

Sorry for quoting myself. I realize now that the watch location must be where he watched from. This would indicate that Foot wear A belongs to him. (notice how it goes into the bush) and that foot wear B also belongs to him because it is a solo track. I notice a blue arrow approaching the vehicle along the tree line, That's why I though the track include two people.
 
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  • #59
Word is there may be 26 victim impact statements entered as evidence in the sentencing hearing phase. That begins today, after the court hears Russell Williams' taped confession. It's unlikely all will be read out loud by the victims or their families themselves. It's anticipated that one of the sex assault victims may want to read hers.
Many expect the case to wrap up Thursday, although two weeks have been set aside, just in case.

Justice Robert Scott has just arrived at the courthouse.

Chris Nicholas, OPP Det-Insp, says there will be about a dozen impact statements today.

Chris Nicholas says Williams has written apology notes.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/876913
 
  • #60
The officer who will be seen on video this morning interrogating Russell Williams is Det. Sgt. Jim Smyth, part of the OPP's behavioural sciences unit. Smyth was part of the team investigating the disappearance of Tori Stafford, and actually found her body. The 8-year-old Woodstock girl disappeared in April, 2009. Her remains were found in July, 2009.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/876913

Also M Edelson has arrived and it appears he has gotten his car back, wonder if he parked in a fire route again?!?
 
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