Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #2

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I personally don't see a resemblance between any of PB's victims and those of RW. But if there were one, what point are you trying to make?

I agree. There is a simple resemblance such as being brunette, but JL looked like no other girl I have ever seen before.
No one had eyes like hers.

I feel so sick. When the heck did this guy have the time to do all of this?
So very lazy about it too. His superiority complex certainly clouded his judgment, I'd say.
 
Not much surprise here-

"Col. Russell Williams appears to have been stalking one of the women he’s accused of killing, according to 82 new charges laid today.

The charges allege that Williams broke into the Brighton home of Cpl. Marie-France Comeau on Nov. 16, 2009 — eight days before he is accused of killing her. Comeau worked at CFB Trenton, the base run by Wiliams.

Williams is also accused of stealing items belonging to Comeau during the break-in."

More at link: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...onel-accused-of-murder-stalk-his-victims?bn=1

What I mean, if I can explain a little more in depth...

I don't find any of this surprising. I felt from the beginning that there was an element of stalking involved. There had to be. This has felt odd from the beginning. And it just keeps getting weirder, with every news report and every court appearance.

I look at it and I think who would do such things? Who would be so twisted? I cannot imagine entering someone's house uninvited, let alone 2 or three times looking for...what? I don't even know what he was looking for, and I don't know if anyone ever will. I cannot imagine forcing anyone to do anything, or inflicting harm, or causing death. But this is what separates the vast majority of the population from the psychopaths that walk among us, unseen, unnoticed. They make up their own rules. There is no rhyme or reason to it, it only makes sense to them. It makes me want to lock my doors, and hide my children. And pay attention to those nagging feelings that tell me something is wrong in the neighbourhood. And to watch out for those that don't have someone to look after them, like the kids walking back and forth from school, or the lady that lives by herself across the road. I think that what I am trying to say is that it's not everyday that someone of this persuasion walks into your community. Even seasoned LEO's were shocked at the magnitude of the situation. More will come out, I am sure of it.
 
P.S. From this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...o-plead-guilty-to-all-charges/article1551083/

"Thirty-two charges involved burglaries in Ottawa, all within the residential Fallingbrook area."

And they moved into the Fallingbrook home how many months ago? The end of December, 2009?
respectfully bolded and snipped by me for brevity.

Just trying to clarify facts:

RW and wife moved into their brand new Westboro home sometime in Dec. 2009. Fallingbrook is a sub-division of Orleans, and that's were the burglaries took place, NOT in the area around their new home. So whenever you read Fallingbrook, they mean Orleans. Hope that helps :)
 
ETA: Further thoughts. There's a laundromat just a few blocks away from RW and MEH's house on Edison in Ottawa:

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...0cSrIhgiZiqSUlkRQdb41Q&cbp=12,240.12,,0,10.03

If a person were so inclined, it seems less risky to steal lingerie from a dryer or laundry basket than going to all the bother of a B&E. If those 32 burglaries in Fallingbrook took place in the approximately six weeks in which RW lived on Edison, that's a busy schedule. Considering that he apparently spent weekends in Ottawa, and that sometimes his wife travelled to Tweed for weekends, how did he manage to find the time? And wouldn't extended absences from home on weekends be noticed?
RS&BBM

Again, this post refers to Fallingbrook as if it were the new Westboro home and therefore, the conclusion that those 32 burglaries took place in approximately six weeks is erroneous.

The Edison home is in Westboro (Ottawa)
The Wilky home is in Fallingbrook, Orleans (Ottawa)
 
Police paint portrait of a chilling stalker
CFB Trenton commander faces 82 more charges

Published 1 minute ago (article is probably going to undergo further updates)

The chilling stalking pattern appears to have also occurred with a woman Williams is accused of sexually assaulting near his cottage in Tweed. He is charged with breaking into her home twice — Sept. 24 and 26th last year, allegedly stealing personal belongings — before she was attacked in her home on the 30th.

The charges also suggest a compulsion to return to the scene of the crime. He is accused of sexually assaulting a second Tweed woman on Sept. 17, 2009 — then returning the very next night and again on the 22nd to steal belongings.

He is also charged with breaking into one home near his Tweed cottage nine times between April 2008 and August 2009.
Thirty four of the new charges stemming from break-ins and theft, occurred in Ottawa between May 2008 and July 2009 — all within easy walking distance of the Wilkie Dr. home where Williams lived with his wife Mary Elizabeth Harriman until the end of last July.

Tweed, a sleepy village north of Belleville, was the scene of most of the 46 other new charges.
He is accused of being particularly busy in October 2008 — allegedly breaking into seven Ottawa homes. He’s also accused of a break-in on New Year’s Eve in 2008 and another on New Year’s Day. On Feb. 14, 2009 — Valentine’s Day — he’s accused of an attempted break-in.
Ottawa victims of the break-ins told eerily similar stories — backyard windows methodically, almost surgically removed and, in some cases, neatly replaced. The thief left little or no trace.
A man whose house was among those burglarized said he and his wife came home one day to find family pictures on their bed and underwear drawers open.

“It was pretty upsetting,” said the man, who didn't want to be identified.

The couple has four children, including 11- and 18-year-old girls. Photos of the girls were taken and the person who broke in rifled through his wife’s panty drawer and his two girls’ panty drawers, he said.

“All the different neighbours we have here, that we know of, it was all the same thing. (The burglar) looked into the women’s cupboards and underpants, and having a look (at) pictures.”

Media in Ottawa reported that during a week-long search at Williams’ current Ottawa home in February police found more than 500 pairs of women’s underwear.

In Tweed, one of the sexual assault victims only learned Thursday that Williams is accused of having broken into her home twice before she was restrained, partially undressed and assaulted Sept. 30, 2009.

“I’m just finding out now that he had been in my home, and I didn’t know about it,’’ she said in an interview.

Since she never reported any break-ins, how do the police know they happened?

Was her attacker so meticulous, so ordered, that he kept notes, as well as fetish-related souvenirs of his visits?

“I’m thinking back a year ago, when a sarong went missing,’’ she says. “I searched my house for it. I thought one of my daughters borrowed it. I never thought anything of it. I only know what was missing after the actual attack.”

And that included two pairs of cotton briefs — her “grannies,’’ as she describes them — and a lilac pillowcase from one of her daughters’ beds.

“I have no idea how he got in. I don’t know if he managed to get a key somehow. The police would not tell me,’’ the woman says.

The only explanation she can come up with is that, on the occasions of the break-ins prior to the assault, she was not home, but at her boyfriend’s place, about a mile away.

“He did his homework,’’ she speculates.
Along the highway between Tweed and Belleville, another woman feels fortunate. Her home was broken into twice over two days in mid-November. She noticed and notified police.

“I think I was very lucky. It was my birthday.”

She said she came home to change after work and went to a neighbour’s house for a party. “I’m sorting my life now,” she said. “It makes you think about certain things.”

At a home on the outskirts of Tweed, on a street traveled seldom enough that a passing car would get some attention, Williams allegedly broke in on a weekend in early November. It’s home to a mother and two daughters, Sarah Letwin, 15 and Hali Letwin, 20.

They had no idea they’d been broken into — not until the police came a few weeks ago to ask questions about things going missing. The three hadn’t noticed anything awry. They still don’t know what’s gone, even though Williams is charged with theft of something.

“It’s really terrifying to know that someone who may have committed these acts was in your home,” said Hali.

At a home near Cosy Cove Lane, where Williams owns his cottage, a young man who lives there with his brother and dad said police came calling a month ago, asking similar questions. They, too, had no idea they’d been broken into.

read more = http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/802107--did-colonel-accused-of-murder-stalk-his-victims?bn=1
OMG! This is so creepy. RW must have kept all his "trophies" catalogued by dates and addresses ... maybe even photographs of houses and people living there? Cannot think of another explanation as to how LE found all these!
 
Police paint portrait of a chilling stalker
CFB Trenton commander faces 82 more charges

Published 1 minute ago (article is probably going to undergo further updates)



read more = http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/802107--did-colonel-accused-of-murder-stalk-his-victims?bn=1
OMG! This is so creepy. RW must have kept all his "trophies" catalogued by dates and addresses ... maybe even photographs of houses and people living there? Cannot think of another explanation as to how LE found all these!


Remember that overnight trip from jail in the early stages of his arrest? Perhaps he was showing off some of his work. http://cancrime.com/2010/03/col-russ-williams-mysteriously-absent.html
 
Sorry, but again I must ask: What is the relevance of this?

The CBC was simultaneously reporting "all", "most" and "some" of the cases in Fallingbrook on the same webpage, in video, audio and print. Conflicting information, all at the same time.

As far as the laundromat, I believe you missed this:

"If a person were so inclined, it seems less risky to steal lingerie from a dryer or laundry basket than going to all the bother of a B&E....From the alleged patterns of sexual assaults and break-ins in Tweed, it seems the break-ins were scouting missions for more serious crimes, rather than being strictly about lingerie."

Remember those words "break and enter with intent to commit an indictable offence"?
 
WOW, I am just catching up on all the new links....
Regarding the B&E's in 2008-2009 where RW returned to these houses multiple times, about the pictures of the girls in the house, etc...did LE know this back then or is this just new info that they have received from RW since his arrest.

If LE knew about this back as far as 2008, shame on them for not alerting the public. I believe that scaring the public would have been better than having more victims of this monster. I cannot imagine how those people who live on Cosy Lane are feeling about this or the ppl in his neighbourhood in Ottawa.
 
I seem to recall that both RW and PB had a girlfriend from the University of Toronto who was described as "oriental". And if memory serves me correctly, RW's relationship ended around the same time PB's relationship started.

I can find the Globe and Mail article, but will have to search for the other information. Thinking aloud.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/

According to this, the breakup was not smooth.
 
Is there a place where I can see the dates of the 82 new charges that were laid? Meaning, in brief, we were warned of a "peeping tom" in my area at a certain time, and I want to see if any of the break and enters were from around that time frame?
 
Is there a place where I can see the dates of the 82 new charges that were laid? Meaning, in brief, we were warned of a "peeping tom" in my area at a certain time, and I want to see if any of the break and enters were from around that time frame?

I have not seen, nor do I think we will see a detailed list of his charges. From the media reports this is what I have found:

Police said the charges date as far back as September 2007. The investigation is continuing,

61 counts of breaking and entering and theft.
11 counts of attempted breaking and entering.
10 counts of breaking and entering with intent to commit an indictable offence

Thirty-four of the break-ins occurred at 25 addresses in the Ottawa area
the Ottawa incidents all occurred within the Fallingbrook area in the city's east end, near where Williams lived before moving to the Westboro neighbourhood in late 2009
Many of the homes listed in Tweed were on the street, Cosy Cove Lane, where Williams lived when he served as base commander at CFB Trenton, a 30-minute drive away.
Two of the latest charges were related to break-ins in Belleville, while the rest were in the Tweed area or other areas under the OPP's jurisdiction.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2010/04/29/ott-russell-williams.html#ixzz0mdkdMjDx
 
Yes, I had been interested in the ones in Belleville, and the times at which they had occurred. Just the creep metre going off in my brain:)
 
Williams continues to collect a military paycheck - about $12,000 a month. If convicted, he must pay it all back

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/2010/04/29/13763736.html



O'Keeffe said his visits are meant to update Williams on the military involvement in his case.
"I discussed his administrative (military) review and the fact that we're in, I suppose, a holding pattern while the investigation unfolds," he said. "People are being quiet about the whole thing

hmmm, for some reason I have this feeling of a cover up, not sure why, I just do!

http://news.globaltv.com/world/Russell+Williams+faces+charges/2965179/story.html
 
The CBC was simultaneously reporting "all", "most" and "some" of the cases in Fallingbrook on the same webpage, in video, audio and print. Conflicting information, all at the same time.

I'm still confused. This was your original post to which I was referring:

The CBC report says most of the Ottawa charges are in Orleans, RW's old neighborhood.

Why did you bold those two words? Fallingbrook is a community that is part of Orleans. Both places refer to RW's old neighbourhood in Ottawa. His new home was in Westboro. Hazel explained this already in her post:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Canada - Jessica Lloyd, 27, Belleville, Ontario 01/28/2010 thread #2


All of the Ottawa break-ins were in his old neighbourhood, but they were only some of the total break-ins. The rest all were in his Tweed neighbourhood, except for the two murders. Where is the conflict? If there is one, it would have been helpful if you had stated that and explained it in the first post, but I still don't see where there is one.

As far as the laundromat, I believe you missed this:

"If a person were so inclined, it seems less risky to steal lingerie from a dryer or laundry basket than going to all the bother of a B&E....From the alleged patterns of sexual assaults and break-ins in Tweed, it seems the break-ins were scouting missions for more serious crimes, rather than being strictly about lingerie."

Remember those words "break and enter with intent to commit an indictable offence"?

I didn't miss it, but I don't remember mentioning the laundromat. My question was about your cryptic post quoted above.

But since you bring it up, again I ask how LE could charge someone with an "intent" unless he was either caught at the scene with incriminating evidence or confessed to such an intent. How could they prove what his intentions were without either of those? LE can't just guess that he intended to assault or murder someone just because he broke into a home and then charge him for it. There has to be more to it than that.

JMO
 
New charges against Russell Williams, above, according to the police forces involved:

Belleville Police Jurisdiction:

2 counts break, enter and theft

Ottawa Police Jurisdiction

23 counts break, enter and theft

3 counts break and enter with intent to commit an indictable

8 counts attempt break and enter

Tweed/OPP Jurisdiction:

36 counts break, enter and theft

7 break and enter with intent to commit an

3 counts attempt break and enter More than half of new charges

(46) involve break-ins in Tweed,

Ont., the eastern Ontario

Greenwood

community where Williams lived

after taking command of the

Trenton air base in July 2009.

Cosy Cove

Rd.

37

Stoco Lake

38

1 Tweed

4 Ottawa

Tweed

1

Kingston

Homes

Peterborough

2

broken into

3

Belleville

Brighton

Toronto

Hamilton St. Catharines

London
http://www.sudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2558502&auth=QMI AGENCY

I find this article abit confusing. The bottom of this list has Toronto, Hamilton, St. Catharines and London????
 
New charges against Russell Williams, above, according to the police forces involved:

Belleville Police Jurisdiction:

2 counts break, enter and theft

Ottawa Police Jurisdiction

23 counts break, enter and theft

3 counts break and enter with intent to commit an indictable

8 counts attempt break and enter

Tweed/OPP Jurisdiction:

36 counts break, enter and theft

7 break and enter with intent to commit an

3 counts attempt break and enter More than half of new charges

(46) involve break-ins in Tweed,

Ont., the eastern Ontario

Greenwood

community where Williams lived

after taking command of the

Trenton air base in July 2009.

Cosy Cove

Rd.

37

Stoco Lake

38

1 Tweed

4 Ottawa

Tweed

1

Kingston

Homes

Peterborough

2

broken into

3

Belleville

Brighton

Toronto

Hamilton St. Catharines

London
http://www.sudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2558502&auth=QMI AGENCY

I find this article abit confusing. The bottom of this list has Toronto, Hamilton, St. Catharines and London????


Okay I posted this earlier only to screw it all up, so I am not snipping FF's original again because I seem to end up messing up when I do that:) Sorry to make you read all of the above again. I will get better at this, I promise!

FF I couldn't agree with you more. I have spent my entire life within 20 miles of where this all took place, what are they talking about when they say "Greenwood", and they threw in Peterborough, Kingston, Hamilton, St. Catherines and London just for good measure? Thought maybe it was because of the police services somehow sharing jurisdiction (for example Brighton is Northumberland OPP, as is Campbellford, and Cobourg as well) but Belleville, Peterborough, Kingston, Hamilton, St Catherines and London all have their own police forces....So, uh, can I go with poorly edited article?

My husband surmised that perhaps the reporter accidentally left notes (perhaps from police reports?) on the bottom of the note pad and it accidentally went onto the bottom of the article.

Something really does stink around this doesn't it?
 
Okay I posted this earlier only to screw it all up, so I am not snipping FF's original again because I seem to end up messing up when I do that:) Sorry to make you read all of the above again. I will get better at this, I promise!

FF I couldn't agree with you more. I have spent my entire life within 20 miles of where this all took place, what are they talking about when they say "Greenwood", and they threw in Peterborough, Kingston, Hamilton, St. Catherines and London just for good measure? Thought maybe it was because of the police services somehow sharing jurisdiction (for example Brighton is Northumberland OPP, as is Campbellford, and Cobourg as well) but Belleville, Peterborough, Kingston, Hamilton, St Catherines and London all have their own police forces....So, uh, can I go with poorly edited article?

My husband surmised that perhaps the reporter accidentally left notes (perhaps from police reports?) on the bottom of the note pad and it accidentally went onto the bottom of the article.

Something really does stink around this doesn't it?
Nice find Flip :thumb: and pinkeyesucks :thumb:! At first I thought the same as your husband, but now I think there is something more to it. I'm trying to make a summary based on some of the reports we have seen, and as you have also noticed, something doesn't add up. This is a work in progress, and based on articles and maps posted by the media; it might contain errors and will appreciate everybody's input to correct any mistakes. So here is what we know so far:

Police said the charges date as far back as September 2007. The investigation is continuing,

61 counts of breaking and entering and theft.
11 counts of attempted breaking and entering.
10 counts of breaking and entering with intent to commit an indictable offence
82 counts
=======
Thirty-four of the break-ins occurred at 25 addresses in the Ottawa area
the Ottawa incidents all occurred within the Fallingbrook area in the city's east end, near where Williams lived before moving to the Westboro neighbourhood in late 2009

Note: The following does not include previous charges, only the new 82, i.e. the Brighton B&E is the one that occurred 9 days prior to Marie France's murder; the Belleville address is not Jessica's.

Belleville Police Jurisdiction: 2 counts ( 1 address )

2 counts break, enter and theft

Ottawa Police Jurisdiction: 23+3+8= 34 counts ( 25 addresses ) backed up by this Ottawa Break-Ins MAP<--- click

23 counts break, enter and theft

3 counts break and enter with intent to commit an indictable

8 counts attempt break and enter

Tweed/OPP Jurisdiction: 36+7+7 = 46 counts ( ?? addresses )

36 counts break, enter and theft

7 break and enter with intent to commit an

3 counts attempt break and enter

Tweed Jurisdiction: 37 counts ( 18 addresses ) ....... based on this Tweed Break-Ins MAP<---- click

NOTE: adding all numbers in red we get a total of 73 counts ----> 2+34+37 = 73 counts
Substructing overall number of new counts minus 73 ----> 82-73 = 9 counts to account for

OPP Jurisdiction: 9 counts ( ? addresses )
Break up:
  • Brighton: 1 count ( 1 address )
  • ?
  • ?
  • ?
(?): We still need to account for 8 more counts of B&Es in the OPP Jurisdiction, and according to the Sudbury Star article (link HERE), it could very well be:
other areas in Ottawa or Kingston, Peterborough, Hamilton, etc.
unless, of course, the Tweed Breaks-In MAP (see link above) is not accurate/complete, and does not include all the info, and I'm barking at the wrong tree, :D in which case I'll apologize and eat my words.
 
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