Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[LayzeeDayzee]

I guess I just wonder, what more at this time is there to sleuth? There are dozens of valid questions posed here and there's nobody to answer them (people who know her). Her family never even bothered to create a 'missing' facebook page. She's not even listed on any missing persons registry. LE hasn't made a peep in forever. Even if she was estranged from her husband, they did live together and you'd think he'd have still had some level of care/concern for her but not a peep from him. Families/close friends/coworkers are usually very quick to get a Facebook page going, to be asking people to 'share' a missing poster both online and in person, keeping the awareness raised for/of their missing loved one, asking anyone w/ info to come forward, often a reward is offered for info leading to info about whereabouts of missing loved one, etc. Can't say I've ever encountered a missing person's case that went so silent, so abruptly...with not even a peep mentioned about it again. what a shame it would be if folks here continued to worry and sleuth, only to find out down the road that she'd been located long ago but for reasons unbeknownst to us that info was not released to the public.

With equal respect to those who feel this case is no longer sleuthable, there are lots of other cases they might consider. I don't think it should be a showstopper on Shannon's case just because some folks feel she has disappeared of her own volition.

Sleuthing is a funny thing ... you can go weeks and find nothing and then all of a sudden, TADA ... you only find something when/if you keep looking.

 

[evafiore]

True. It would be a first. But it seemed the whole photo taped to tree thing and subsequent heavy police presence was unusual as well.

The subsequent police silence could be an effort to prevent stunts like that from happening again. A police presence like that means serious time and money, which would be better put to use on legitimate leads.

 

[evafiore]

I guess I just wonder, what more at this time is there to sleuth? There are dozens of valid questions posed here and there's nobody to answer them (people who know her). Her family never even bothered to create a 'missing' facebook page. She's not even listed on any missing persons registry. LE hasn't made a peep in forever. Even if she was estranged from her husband, they did live together and you'd think he'd have still had some level of care/concern for her but not a peep from him. Families/close friends/coworkers are usually very quick to get a Facebook page going, to be asking people to 'share' a missing poster both online and in person, keeping the awareness raised for/of their missing loved one, asking anyone w/ info to come forward, often a reward is offered for info leading to info about whereabouts of missing loved one, etc. Can't say I've ever encountered a missing person's case that went so silent, so abruptly...with not even a peep mentioned about it again. what a shame it would be if folks here continued to worry and sleuth, only to find out down the road that she'd been located long ago but for reasons unbeknownst to us that info was not released to the public.

I agree that the case is exceptional in its silence, which to me is as much a mystery as SB's disappearance.

 

[deugirtni]

In the case you reference, there was no body located; if there had been a body located, it would have been announced, returned to the family, etc. LE have instead discovered evidence enough to press charges against the accused for her murder even without a body being found. Whether it will hold up in court remains to be seen. If SB's body is found, I have every faith that LE will announce the discovery. MOO

There was one case recently (Laura Babcock) in which LE may have chosen not to release that a body had been located (sorry it's from The Star, first thing I found). Its announcement was followed by heavy media discussion, much of it focusing on the rarity of a first degree murder charge without a body. Though it doesn't say exactly how common it is for police not to reveal that a body has been located, it does insinuate it is possible, albeit extremely rare.

Also, it might be important to note that there has been a complaint launched against LE for handling Laura's disappearance negligently.

 

[evafiore]

In the case you reference, there was no body located; if there had been a body located, it would have been announced, returned to the family, etc. LE have instead discovered evidence enough to press charges against the accused for her murder even without a body being found. Whether it will hold up in court remains to be seen. If SB's body is found, I have every faith that LE will announce the discovery. MOO

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/babcocks-remains-not-found-at-dellen-millards-farm/article18476919/

"Police have not said whether they have recovered Ms. Babcock’s body, even after charging Mr. Millard and a friend, Mark Smich, last month with first-degree murder."

I agree with you though, I think that if LE were to locate a body in SB's case, they would announce it.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't find this case to be exceptional in its silence, however it IS very frustrating that there seems to be no leads. I am finding a few of these silent cases. In those cases where nobody has set up a FB page or something like that where people can freely add their comments, the cases seem to be silent because there is no forum in which to voice their thoughts. It seems that when such a page IS created, there are all kinds of comments, which some families don't appreciate... this family of SB's has specifically mentioned their non appreciation of people voicing their theories, saying they find it unhelpful. Unless LE discover something or something new arises which officially comes to light in a case to bring it back into the media, there really is nothing but silence, other than random thoughts and theories from strangers. That doesn't mean that LE aren't still investigating silently. A couple that I have been following are Janis Ozollapa - police have gone so far as to say they believe he met with foul play, but still nothing; another is Lorraine Roach. In the Roach case, police received a tip at one point, which started up a new search and more in the media and more people talking. It seems that when there is nothing to report however, there is just silence. They can't just pull news out of their behinds!

I agree that the case is exceptional in its silence, which to me is as much a mystery as SB's disappearance.

 

[deugirtni]

Well yes, they have not said, but they *would* have said if in fact they had recovered her body. And of course, that body would have been returned to her family for proper burial or cremation. But nothing was returned to the family. And of course, LE aren't going to tip their hand as to what the evidence is exactly which brings them to believe she is dead and that the accused murdered her. (But considering the other thing the accused is charged with, it doesn't seem a far fetch to imagine he could have done the same thing with the woman, and that the forensics investigation found such evidence of that - MOO).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/babcocks-remains-not-found-at-dellen-millards-farm/article18476919/

"Police have not said whether they have recovered Ms. Babcock’s body, even after charging Mr. Millard and a friend, Mark Smich, last month with first-degree murder."

I agree with you though, I think that if LE were to locate a body in SB's case, they would announce it.

 

[evafiore]

I don't find this case to be exceptional in its silence, however it IS very frustrating that there seems to be no leads. I am finding a few of these silent cases. In those cases where nobody has set up a FB page or something like that where people can freely add their comments, the cases seem to be silent because there is no forum in which to voice their thoughts. It seems that when such a page IS created, there are all kinds of comments, which some families don't appreciate... this family of SB's has specifically mentioned their non appreciation of people voicing their theories, saying they find it unhelpful. Unless LE discover something or something new arises which officially comes to light in a case to bring it back into the media, there really is nothing but silence, other than random thoughts and theories from strangers. That doesn't mean that LE aren't still investigating silently. A couple that I have been following are Janis Ozollapa - police have gone so far as to say they believe he met with foul play, but still nothing; another is Lorraine Roach. In the Roach case, police received a tip at one point, which started up a new search and more in the media and more people talking. It seems that when there is nothing to report however, there is just silence. They can't just pull news out of their behinds!

Looks like we do agree then---in saying that the case is exceptional, I should clarify that I did not mean "exceptional" in the sense of "unprecedented". SM's case is unusual in its silence.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Well yes, they have not said, but they *would* have said if in fact they had recovered her body. And of course, that body would have been returned to her family for proper burial or cremation. But nothing was returned to the family. And of course, LE aren't going to tip their hand as to what the evidence is exactly which brings them to believe she is dead and that the accused murdered her. (But considering the other thing the accused is charged with, it doesn't seem a far fetch to imagine he could have done the same thing with the woman, and that the forensics investigation found such evidence of that - MOO).

Much like the Liknes-O'brien case... trace evidence does not equal body. When part of the case hinges on whether there was a death or not, then LE won't disclose to the public, the evidence they feel proves it.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't think we ever had a description of what Shannon may have been wearing when last seen. I find that a bit unusual in this case. Regardless of a few days having passed since JB last saw her to when she was reported missing, you'd think he'd have a clue as to what she may have been wearing the night she 'left'. For example, was she in casual clothing, dressed to the nines, pj's and duck boots, or what???

 

[Leischa]

I used to think that it was very strange that the family hadn't set up a Facebook page for her... but I realized that there are other families who are looking for missing persons and who do not set up such pages. I can't understand why though.

About two weeks ago I was watching a TV show (Denis Lévesque, it's in French) and there were two sisters who came to speak about their brother who's been missing since November 2014. They talked about how the police didn't seem to do much to help because their brother is an adult (he's 30). His name is Jonathan Emmanuel Leclair. And there is no Facebook page for him.

But, in my opinion, it's still strange that people wouldn't at least try and learn things about their missing ones online, especially when they have/had a Facebook profile.

 

[Leischa]

I don't think we ever had a description of what Shannon may have been wearing when last seen. I find that a bit unusual in this case. Regardless of a few days having passed since JB last saw her to when she was reported missing, you'd think he'd have a clue as to what she may have been wearing the night she 'left'. For example, was she in casual clothing, dressed to the nines, pj's and duck boots, or what???

Exactly my thoughts! If we knew whether she was getting ready to go to bed, or already wearing pj's, then we'd know that she probably wasn't planning on going to a club to meet friends.

We assumed that her husband saw her before HE retired for the night but what proof do we have of this? I'm not saying that he lied, but rather than the only information that I recall about this is that ''He last saw her around that time''. Is he the one who went out? And when he came back she wasn't there?

Also, another thing. She'd just come back from Edmonton. Let's assume that she still owned her dog and that she hadn't seen it for a couple of days. Perhaps she decided to go walk him? We don't even know what happened to her dog...

And, going back to the lack of information on what she was wearing the night of her disappearance, it is indeed very unusual. Whenever there are reports on missing persons, they usually give many details about what they were wearing when they were last seen, or sometimes even about what they could be wearing.

 

[Topcat]

I used to think that it was very strange that the family hadn't set up a Facebook page for her... but I realized that there are other families who are looking for missing persons and who do not set up such pages. I can't understand why though.

About two weeks ago I was watching a TV show (Denis Lévesque, it's in French) and there were two sisters who came to speak about their brother who's been missing since November 2014. They talked about how the police didn't seem to do much to help because their brother is an adult (he's 30). His name is Jonathan Emmanuel Leclair. And there is no Facebook page for him.

But, in my opinion, it's still strange that people wouldn't at least try and learn things about their missing ones online, especially when they have/had a Facebook profile.

I think most "missing " FB postings are informative to those interested in the progression of the case but ultimately do not turn up info helpful to solving or recovering the missing person. Mostly gossip and prayers. .. I haven't come across a case where FB was mentioned as an asset in a case. Jmo

 

[newone]

I think most "missing " FB postings are informative to those interested in the progression of the case but ultimately do not turn up info helpful to solving or recovering the missing person. Mostly gossip and prayers. .. I haven't come across a case where FB was mentioned as an asset in a case. Jmo

With messaging available on FB, people can contact the family in a timely and discreet way as well.

 

[LoisLane]

Well yes, they have not said, but they *would* have said if in fact they had recovered her body. And of course, that body would have been returned to her family for proper burial or cremation. But nothing was returned to the family. And of course, LE aren't going to tip their hand as to what the evidence is exactly which brings them to believe she is dead and that the accused murdered her. (But considering the other thing the accused is charged with, it doesn't seem a far fetch to imagine he could have done the same thing with the woman, and that the forensics investigation found such evidence of that - MOO).

My mind keeps wandering to the Pickton case. The families of the victims were given remains in little boxes and if IIRC it was after the trial. So if the remains were evidence and the case was before the courts then would the family have been withheld the information of the remains and that the remains remained as evidence until after trial?

 

[LoisLane]

I think most "missing " FB postings are informative to those interested in the progression of the case but ultimately do not turn up info helpful to solving or recovering the missing person. Mostly gossip and prayers. .. I haven't come across a case where FB was mentioned as an asset in a case. Jmo

We do sometimes hear a shout out from LE about the social media being of assistance. It certainly brings awareness.

 

[LoisLane]

VH of the S&M page either started following or was followed by SB on December 3rd. I am not knowledgeable of twitter and maybe someone can figure this out thru VH's regular twitter page.

I find this curious, not so much about the activity/kink but more in why a somebody like VH in the S&M world would follow a relatively unknown SH in Calgary? Likely somebody in the community here let VH know that she disappeared, but why would VH be interested,, she didn't post anything to do with SH missing. So who on SH twitter page informed VH? and why? Did SH's possible sub/dom gig come via VH's network?

From other links, SH made leather wear too.

Just wanted to add...

IIRC that image is an older profile shot and I don't think the family used it in the press release. I think Shannon has that photo on her Gmail profile as well as her Twitter... Can't look right now (sitting in an airport). I am pretty sure that the photo is also shown on her talent agency representative's website.

I am off to Edmonton, maybe it will give me a few ideas...

 

[Sillybilly]

VH of the S&M page either started following or was followed by SB on December 3rd. I am not knowledgeable of twitter and maybe someone can figure this out thru VH's regular twitter page.

I find this curious, not so much about the activity/kink but more in why a somebody like VH in the S&M world would follow a relatively unknown SH in Calgary? Likely somebody in the community here let VH know that she disappeared, but why would VH be interested,, she didn't post anything to do with SH missing. So who on SH twitter page informed VH? and why? Did SH's possible sub/dom gig come via VH's network?

From other links, SH made leather wear too.

I don't know the 'why' wrt VH following SH on Dec 3, but anyone can follow you anytime on Twitter. (FWIW, SMB has not tweeted since February 2014).

My brows shot up a smidge when I saw mutual following by rigor****ous, but then see that person is TM who has the same M surname as SMB. IF TM is a relative, they have not tweeted anything wrt SMB having disappeared.

 

[newone]

o/t hopefully

http://globalnews.ca/news/1828258/homicide-unit-on-scene-of-suspicious-death-in-northeast/

"Police say the details about the exact circumstances surrounding her death are limited, and they don’t have any suspects at this time.

“It’s really early on, we don’t know how long that individual… had been there,” said S/Sgt. Colin Chisholm in a Friday news conference.''

 

[LoisLane]

There is a contortionist (sp?) friend of Shannon's who runs the events at Jimmy's in Calgary and I believe she works at Lolita's also. I wonder if she is connected to VH. VH has a pic on twitter from Halloween and I could have sworn I seen it on the contortionist photo's. It was a stuffed unicorn, on a persian style rug.

This post is sounding very odd. I will come back if I find it.

FWIW, Shannon's profile pic from the VH page was tagged on Shannon's FB in August of 2013.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...yo.505272949.2013.www_timeline&type=1&theater

Contortionist: http://www.vishaloo.com
Look at the photographer names... Might be something, might not.