Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[otto]

LE went through Fish Creek park for 3 days, including HRD dogs, and didn't locate any body, let alone SB. Given the apparent degree of decomp, I'm wondering if those remains had been someplace else and were deposited there after the search.

ETA: I gather the park is very large, and it was the Sikome Lake area of the park (so not sure where the most recent discovery might have been in relation to Sikome Lake):




http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

This photo suggests a different area than Sikome Lake ... but maybe I'm misunderstanding, and the marker is to point out the park, and not the location of the body.

 

[stan laurel]

I am still stuck in 2014. Gets me all the time!

I'm amazed that the 90's is 15+ years away.

 

[stan laurel]

This photo suggests a different area than Sikome Lake ... but maybe I'm misunderstanding, and the marker is to point out the park, and not the location of the body.

deugrtini figured it out,, I assumed the pin for the park in the pic was where the remains were found but it's where they label the park on a map. if you ask most people to point out fish creek park map most don't point to that area.

 

[stan laurel]

this is where the Calgary sun pinned it;
http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/02/1...d-light-on-identity-cause-of-death#map_canvas

 

[evafiore]

this is where the Calgary sun pinned it;
http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/02/1...d-light-on-identity-cause-of-death#map_canvas

Yes, I think the Sun's is just a general pin to indicate the location of the park---it actually looks to be the Friends of Fish Creek Provincial Park Society. Also, there seems to be a number of buildings around there, so it doesn't look like it'd be a "heavily wooded area." Chaparall is further south, opposite side of the 201. There was a question about the LE presence in Chaparall at that time, posted on the CPS FB page, and CPS stated that it was for an investigation.

 

[evafiore]

This may have been mentioned already in this thread, but Patricia Overes was last seen in Chaparall on January 29th.

 

[dotr]

This may have been mentioned already in this thread, but Patricia Overes was last seen in Chaparall on January 29th.

Holy crow, what is going on in Calgary these days??
Patricia Overes, coincidentally, also has red hair and green eyes.

"Overes is described as 5’11” tall and approximately 170 pounds. She has green eyes, red hair and often wears prescription glasses. She was last seen wearing black dress pants and a black dress coat. She has a tattoo of three baby pigs and a mother pig on her shoulder."

Canadianmom2three started a thread for Patricia.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...497969&highlight=Patricia+Overes#post11497969

 

[Canadianmom2three]

Does seem like there are a few red hair, blue/green eye females missing in Calgary.

I was thinking though that it is probably not Patricia because of the state of decomp.

 

[evafiore]

Does seem like there are a few red hair, blue/green eye females missing in Calgary.

I was thinking though that it is probably not Patricia because of the state of decomp.

Patricia's family's comments on FB suggest that they have not heard anything from LE, even after the discovery of remains in Chaparall.

 

[Canadianmom2three]

I know the park has a lot of paved roads for pedestrian and bike traffic, but are there numerous paved roads where vehicles access the park (i.e. more than the one parking area that is close Sikome Lake)? IOW, if someone drove there to deposit a body, is there someplace other than Sikome Lake where they could drive into the park or just the one at Sikome?

(I think I just asked the same thing twice ^^ but just trying to clarify what I'm getting at .. yeah, sure)

There are different ways to drive into the park from all different areas of the city. There is more than one place to park for sure. Down by Sikome there are 2 parking lots one on each side of Sikome. Also, there is parking by the river. Just before you get to Sikome there is another turn off to go to "The Ranch", which is a restaurant and there is another parking lot there. I was just down there last week...and the road that goes under 22X was closed to vehicles (personally I've never seen it open...but I don't go there a ton) , but lots of people were biking and walking there.

I've attached a map.

 

[deugirtni]

In another case I was/am following, the fellow's body was found one month exactly after he went missing.. his family swore it was not him when they were allowed to view the body. It did turn out to be the fellow's body after DNA testing results were received back from the lab. I believe this fellow was submerged in water though, and apparently that makes decomposition twice as fast as on land.

The environment in which a dead body is placed also affects its rate of decay. For instance, bodies in water decompose twice as fast as those left unburied on land.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/body-farm1.htm

This article, the first of the group I posted above, indicates that it can take as little as two months in that environment for a body to become completely unrecognizable:

"The remains were found more than two weeks ago on a riverbank, and had likely been exposed to the elements and wild animals for at least two months, police said.

The body weighs 75 pounds -- which is low due to decomposition -- and is five foot three to five foot four, with wavy grey medium-length hair.

Because of the state of the remains, the woman’s skin colour and age are not known. There are no identifying marks on the body."

 

[deugirtni]

When I looked at the map, it looked like Chapparal was quite a bit further south than where that little pushpin was located.. but I'm not sure on the actual distance of the span between the two.

It's a very BIG PARK, and a naturally maintained one. I just dawned on me that the floods covered a very large swath of it and I wonder if the flood raised older bodies. Look up Charles Ng, a serial killer from California who was living there and captured in Calgary. The thing about Fish Creek is, if there's no trail, there are huge parts that are literally off the beaten path.

To Deurgirti; It's funny I never thought about where they got the image. If the remains are from the area close to Chapparal then that is the same approx. location as the pictures.

 

[deugirtni]

I was wondering the same thing about whether the remains were located there after the fact.. in addition to the police searching for 3 days, Justin McKinnon's family also did a search in the park (and apparently also discovered a body??).. so where was *this* body then?? As mentioned, big park, but still.. you would think that with the sniffer dogs and all these people searching, without knowing themselves an exact search area relevant to their own searching, that this body would also have been discovered?? One would only hope??

LE went through Fish Creek park for 3 days, including HRD dogs, and didn't locate any body, let alone SB. Given the apparent degree of decomp, I'm wondering if those remains had been someplace else and were deposited there after the search.

ETA: I gather the park is very large, and it was the Sikome Lake area of the park (so not sure where the most recent discovery might have been in relation to Sikome Lake):




http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/12/1...areness-to-missing-calgary-womans-case-sister

 

[Canadianmom2three]

When I looked at the map, it looked like Chapparal was quite a bit further south than where that little pushpin was located.. but I'm not sure on the actual distance of the span between the two.

Just using google, inside the park, point to point (using the walking paths, so not a straight line) is about 6km from the pushpin to the Chapparal area

 

[deugirtni]

Somewhere it was mentioned that it was in the Chaparral area where the body was found. Not sure how far that would be or if there is a road to drive.. but looks like around 3km? And the Chaparral end of the park might be near the blue devil golf club? (Does JB play golf?)

Narrows it down a bit ... found in the south part of the park:



from:
http://globalnews.ca/news/1834050/human-remains-found-in-fish-creek-park/

So possibly Sikome Lake area??

 

[Canadianmom2three]

I would say if this is SB that she was put there. There is access to this area of the park from several areas. By car from Bow Bottom Trail and from Sun Valley Blvd and it looks possible from Blue Devil Golf Club (although I've never been that way.) Also, there are quite a few ways to get there on walking trails. I think, IMO, the most common way used to this area is from Bow Bottom Trail.

 

[kdgdid]

Remains identified as Patricia Overes http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/12...ys-fish-creek-park-as-that-of-patrcia-overes/

 

[tarabull]

It's Patricia http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/human-remains-found-in-fish-creek-are-of-missing-calgary-woman

 

[stan laurel]

When I looked at the map, it looked like Chapparal was quite a bit further south than where that little pushpin was located.. but I'm not sure on the actual distance of the span between the two.

I should have been more specific; chaparall is closer to the pictures that were found attached to trees.

 

[deugirtni]

Wow, well that answers that! But where the HECK is SB???

Police say the matter is not criminal in nature and no foul play is suspected.
quoted fromt he link just above