Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I ask my wife that all the time when she comes home from shopping?

That sort of thing gets cats neutered.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Many people nowadays hire a photographer and have a full on photo session for engagement photos these days, which seems like a new thing in the internet age. It's hard to tell how sentimental and/or nostalgic Shannon and JB might've been with their relationship and status of it, we don't know.

It's interesting that their engagement was pumped more on FB than their actual marriage ceremony (from what we can see), but younger people are fickle these days so who knows.

Hypothetically, SB or JB could've been browsing their own FB profiles/old photos and might've gotten sentimental or reminiscent of better times (when first engaged) and this might've sparked a conversation that escalated to a fight. If someone feels a relationship or person slipping away from them, they might start feeling sorry for themselves and pour over old FB content and photos and emotions might start brewing. Just thinking out loud, the dates being close just seems weird to me.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Let's say (again, hypothetically) SB was 'secretly' found by LE and this is being kept quiet because Shannon wants it this way because she left on her own free will. We would then assume that:

a) her family is not allowed to have contact with her (by Shannon's request)
b) her husband is not allowed to have contact with her (by Shannon's request)
c) any co-workers, LARPers, fellow actors/comedians are not allowed to have contact with her (by Shannon's request)
d) no one who previously knew her is allowed to contact her (by Shannon's request)
d) her dog is not allowed to have contact with her

I just don't buy this, it would be almost ludicrous since there's no sign that anyone has heard a peep about her since she disappeared. If she left on her own free will, she would've communicated with at least ONE person she knew and it would've been published somewhere on the net.

If there's mental health issues involved - different story - her family would be hunting high and low to find her and the public would've been asked for help to find her again. There would've been another presser and a poster/media blitz by now if she was unstable and roaming the streets.

This sadly, makes me think there's a homicide investigation going on, it's just too quiet.

 

[stan laurel]

Many people nowadays hire a photographer and have a full on photo session for engagement photos these days, which seems like a new thing in the internet age. It's hard to tell how sentimental and/or nostalgic Shannon and JB might've been with their relationship and status of it, we don't know.

It's interesting that their engagement was pumped more on FB than their actual marriage ceremony (from what we can see), but younger people are fickle these days so who knows.

Hypothetically, SB or JB could've been browsing their own FB profiles/old photos and might've gotten sentimental or reminiscent of better times (when first engaged) and this might've sparked a conversation that escalated to a fight. If someone feels a relationship or person slipping away from them, they might start feeling sorry for themselves and pour over old FB content and photos and emotions might start brewing. Just thinking out loud, the dates being close just seems weird to me.

let's say you want to get into a centrally located neighbourhood co-op and a clause has "couples preferred" and you know that they might peruse FB,, well there's a fine chance that the marriage was a ruse to get in there. I mentioned this many moons ago,, I'd love to know when they got on the waiting list for that unit?.?.?

 

[Leischa]

let's say you want to get into a centrally located neighbourhood co-op and a clause has "couples preferred" and you know that they might peruse FB,, well there's a fine chance that the marriage was a ruse to get in there. I mentioned this many moons ago,, I'd love to know when they got on the waiting list for that unit?.?.?

Are there really such clauses? I've never heard of that before... But it could explain why they got married or pretended to do so.

 

[Leischa]

Yes, the marriage "not mattering" was the point I was trying to get at (and tarabull as well, I think---though we may not have realized that we meant the same thing ). I was suggesting that the anniversary date, and marriage, were possibly insignificant to SB and JB and that the date of her disappearance falling close to their engagement anniversary may be a coincidence.

Why bother? If you're mostly non-monogamous, and you get married, it could very well be for bureaucratic reasons.

I don't agree with this. There are non-monogamous couples who truly love each other and I'm sure that anniversaries are as important to them than they are to regular couples.

But I do agree that, if they only got married for bureaucratic reasons, then there's a chance that anniversaries didn't mean much to them.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

let's say you want to get into a centrally located neighbourhood co-op and a clause has "couples preferred" and you know that they might peruse FB,, well there's a fine chance that the marriage was a ruse to get in there. I mentioned this many moons ago,, I'd love to know when they got on the waiting list for that unit?.?.?

Yeah, could be. Is this co-op really that prestigious though? And do co-ops have such old school conservative rules like that?

All I know about co-ops is from my coworker...and he is unmarried to his female partner and they have a child together, so no marriage required to get in theirs. Now you got me wondering though…I could see certain ones wanting family orientated folks, might weed out the partying crowd or something. But man, all that work and scheming for a co-op?! Is good housing in Calgary that tough to get?!

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Yeah, could be. Is this co-op really that prestigious though? And do co-ops have such old school conservative rules like that?

All I know about co-ops is from my coworker...and he is unmarried to his female partner and they have a child together, so no marriage required to get in theirs. Now you got me wondering though…I could see certain ones wanting family orientated folks, might weed out the partying crowd or something. But man, all that work and scheming for a co-op?! Is good housing in Calgary that tough to get?!

Both dating profiles listed open relationship rather than single... which makes it endlessly more complicated, especially for males, to be successful on a dating site.

It suggests there was a level of commitment there.

 

[Leischa]

I've been wondering if what JB said about the last time he saw Shannon was true. Was it ever verified? Of course, we didn't hear anything about that, except that Shannon's family trusts him. But still... What if he lied?

Also, the fact that her brakes failed right before her disappearance seems odd to me. Did anyone sabotage her brakes so she would have to either

-stay at home
-walk to her next destination
-ask a friend for a ride

???

Maybe this was just a coincidence but the rest of what she wrote on her Facebook wall

Starting to wonder who I pissed off enough to curse me

suggests that this wasn't the first badluck she had experienced over a short lapse of time. I have no clue about whatever else happened to her though.

In my opinion, this car thing is a bit like the fact that Justin Robes suffered a beating right before he disappeared. Strange coincidences... :thinking:

 

[evafiore]

I don't agree with this. There are non-monogamous couples who truly love each other and I'm sure that anniversaries are as important to them than they are to regular couples.

But I do agree that, if they only got married for bureaucratic reasons, then there's a chance that anniversaries didn't mean much to them.

I'm not saying non-monogamous couples never love each other, nor that they don't ever place value on marriage, or even that there is zero commitment. I'm saying maybe. For some, love and marriage are discrete concepts.

There are non-monogamous couples who love each other. I also know of couples, monogamous and non, who love each other BUT disagree with the concept of marriage and do it solely for bureaucratic reasons (e.g., certain permissions, travel/immigration, taxes). Loving each other does not necessarily mean accepting the concept of marriage, or for some people, monogamy. Relationships are difficult to categorize---everyone's different, so when you get a couple you get infinite possibilities. On top of this, relationships and people change over time.

If they don't agree with marriage (again, not saying that they don't love each other, or that they didn't agree with marriage a few years ago: they could have changed their minds over the years), they may not place as much value on dates---some couples love each other but don't put dates on it. Like some people don't celebrate birthdays. Again, just an idea, not asserting it's the truth. There is also the possibility that only one of them has changed their mind on how they define love/marriage/non-monogamy, which could lead to conflict.

...anyway...

The co-op idea is interesting. Another to think about: does one of them have dual citizenship? SB's family stated that they weren't sure if she had a valid passport, but we know from her Shanswer NSFW FB that she did in Jan 2013, as well as JB. Is there any possibility one of them was planning to work abroad and the other wanted official permission to come along on a spousal visa?

 

[Sillybilly]

Shannon didn't take her car, so I find it unusual that JB wasn't concerned that Shannon wasn't home, her keys were gone, yet her car was still there for 5 days? I'd be interested in knowing if Shannon's car was forensically examined.

Just re-read his okcupid profile, and it says he works at taking down old buildings. I wonder if there were any demolition sites and materials disposal sites that might be of interest to LE.

 

[evafiore]

Regarding the SB-VH Twitter connection we were discussing, what about Shannon's LARP merchandise business venture she mentions on her NSFW FB, and her profile on this site? Could the connection be business related, as in costume stuff? Fetish and role play garb overlap.

Thinking this may have been mentioned already...

 

[evafiore]

Shannon didn't take her car, so I find it unusual that JB wasn't concerned that Shannon wasn't home, her keys were gone, yet her car was still there for 5 days? I'd be interested in knowing if Shannon's car was forensically examined.

Just re-read his okcupid profile, and it says he works at taking down old buildings. I wonder if there were any demolition sites and materials disposal sites that might be of interest to LE.

I'd suggest that maybe JB wasn't home for those 5 days, but then it leaves the dog.:thinking:

Going back to that co-op, if they were to split they may not have the minimum income to stay there. Her FB indicates she moved in September 2010, not sure if it was to that co-op, but I'm guessing it was. Unless I'm missing a more recent move?

As for the exclusivity of the co-op (which is not taking applications), wouldn't that apply before you moved in, not after? Maybe they wanted to get into something more exclusive?

 

[LoisLane]

I'd suggest that maybe JB wasn't home for those 5 days, but then it leaves the dog.:thinking:

Going back to that co-op, if they were to split they may not have the minimum income to stay there. Her FB indicates she moved in September 2010, not sure if it was to that co-op, but I'm guessing it was. Unless I'm missing a more recent move?

As for the exclusivity of the co-op (which is not taking applications), wouldn't that apply before you moved in, not after? Maybe they wanted to get into something more exclusive?

Maybe Josh lived in the co-op already and possibly with someone from a previous relationship. They broke-up or moved out and Josh met Shannon right after. Shannon moved in and the contract with the co-op was updated.

 

[evafiore]

Maybe Josh lived in the co-op already and possibly with someone from a previous relationship. They broke-up or moved out and Josh met Shannon right after. Shannon moved in and the contract with the co-op was updated.

Tough to say for sure, SB doesn't really indicate if it's just her that's moving or both of them in the post. How old would he have been then? 22-24? And by that age, he'd applied for and signed a co-op contract with someone, lived with them, broke up, and then SB moved in? Or maybe it's in a family member's name?

Just looked back at her FB note from April 2009. She mentions meeting an awesome man ("Ash"---->Josh?) who takes her to parks for photography. When did JB and SB meet?

Of course I'm guessing, but it seems more likely to me that SB and JB applied for the co-op together, or it's in someone else's name.

 

[news.talk]

That sort of thing gets cats neutered.

Careful Mr!

 

[news.talk]

I am curious if the dog is still around. Maybe it is just me, but I could NEVER leave my dog without a second thought. My ex and I completely agreed about child custody, but were ready to fight to the death over the dog. SB seemed really attached to her furbaby.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Both dating profiles listed open relationship rather than single... which makes it endlessly more complicated, especially for males, to be successful on a dating site.

It suggests there was a level of commitment there.

I agree, I don't think this was a marriage of convenience or business.

I think these two actually bonded over having lots in common. I will stand by my earlier comments that I originally thought SB was out of JB's league with him seeming quiet, unassuming, and stoic and her, charismatic, charming and sexy. So they seem a bit opposite in the way of appearances - but they probably had lots to bond over with interests, wants and needs. JB looked quite different at the presser than what we see on FB (much more attractive IMO).

I'd still like to know their dynamic and whether one was more in love with the other, or if there were any power/control issues.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I am curious if the dog is still around. Maybe it is just me, but I could NEVER leave my dog without a second thought. My ex and I completely agreed about child custody, but were ready to fight to the death over the dog. SB seemed really attached to her furbaby.

Exactly - don't think she'd bail on the dog. I don't think disappearing was her choice, JMO.

 

[Leischa]

I'm not saying non-monogamous couples never love each other, nor that they don't ever place value on marriage, or even that there is zero commitment. I'm saying maybe. For some, love and marriage are discrete concepts.

There are non-monogamous couples who love each other. I also know of couples, monogamous and non, who love each other BUT disagree with the concept of marriage and do it solely for bureaucratic reasons (e.g., certain permissions, travel/immigration, taxes). Loving each other does not necessarily mean accepting the concept of marriage, or for some people, monogamy. Relationships are difficult to categorize---everyone's different, so when you get a couple you get infinite possibilities. On top of this, relationships and people change over time.

If they don't agree with marriage (again, not saying that they don't love each other, or that they didn't agree with marriage a few years ago: they could have changed their minds over the years), they may not place as much value on dates---some couples love each other but don't put dates on it. Like some people don't celebrate birthdays. Again, just an idea, not asserting it's the truth. There is also the possibility that only one of them has changed their mind on how they define love/marriage/non-monogamy, which could lead to conflict.

Indeed. Thank you for explaining your point of view. I had it all wrong. What you're saying totally makes sense.