Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[Sillybilly]

Lastly, I know, sincerely, in my heart, that appearances mean nothing. But seriously? JB looks SO unlike what I would expect to see doing demolition. And why go to university to become a demo doer?

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Now that I think of it, when this case first started, I did a FB search and right under 'our' JB, there was a profile pic for a JB that looked like it was taken in a construction type setting. Because I recognized the pic of our JB above it, I didn't check it out. I no longer see it when I do a FB search for the name. May be nothing or may have been deleted?

 

[LoisLane]

I think that type of expertise takes a lot of highly specialized training. Tried googling it but my computer was slowing down drastically, so thought better of it. Powers that be don't like those words flitting across the airwaves these days. (I thought they'd be used to me by now.)

I am no expert but I am pretty sure the last time a big demo job involving explosives was when the Calgary General Hospital was taken down. It is not an everyday job in Calgary.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Here is the definition on Wikipedia for "demolition". It also includes "deconstruction".

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demolition
"Demolition is the tearing-down of buildings and other structures. Demolition contrasts with deconstruction, which involves taking a building apart while carefully preserving valuable elements for re-use."

I think the job at NEB (Disassembling and moving offices, equipment and boardrooms) would qualify as deconstruction with just a slight exxageration by JB and assumptions by those looking for their Cupid.

Agreed, I think using the word demolition was a bit of cryptic word play and tongue in cheek for his profile. He and/or SB named their dog Beowoof (sp?) a reference to English Literature and another tongue in cheek/witty reference, JMO.

 

[Sillybilly]

Turns out a demolition "expert" doesn't have to have that much education, but can be just on-the-job training as an apprentice:

http://work.chron.com/qualifications-demolitions-expert-5614.html

http://www.ehow.com/how_4865739_become-demolition-expert.html

JB didn't promote himself as an 'expert', but maybe he is.

Just as a matter of interest .. many years ago in Ontario I was invited to watch a blast that was part of a highway construction project. Didn't really see anything as we were required to be a great distance from the actual blast. The crew said the explosives guy was "insane" and referred to his art as his "big b**w j**s".

 

[Leischa]

I am no expert but I am pretty sure the last time a big demo job involving explosives was when the Calgary General Hospital was taken down. It is not an everyday job in Calgary.

Hmmm what if he does work in demolition (the type with explosives) and travels frequently? My "husband" (we're not married but we've been together for ten years so it feels strange to call him "boyfriend" hehe) used to work in construction and he would frequently travel for his work. Sometimes he's be gone for two days, some other times for a whole week...

And here is what I found out about the requirements to work with explosives :

How to Become an Explosives Technician
Required Education

The required training for a career as an explosives technician will vary by your place of employment and the exact requirements of the role. For example, if you're working in the military, you'll need a high school diploma, but they will provide training for this position. If you're working in construction, demolition and mining, you'll need to complete a relevant 4-year, bachelor's program in a field like engineering or construction. Courses that will be relevant to a career as an explosives technician include explosives safety, explosive ordnance identification, fuse identification, electricity, physics, demolitions and engineering.

http://education-portal.com/articles/Explosives_Technician_Job_Description_and_Requirements_for_Becoming_an_Explosives_Technician.html

 

[LoisLane]

Hmmm what if he does work in demolition (the type with explosives) and travels frequently? My "husband" (we're not married but we've been together for ten years so it feels strange to call him "boyfriend" hehe) used to work in construction and he would frequently travel for his work. Sometimes he's be gone for two days, some other times for a whole week...
And here is what I found out about the requirements to work with explosives :



http://education-portal.com/articles/Explosives_Technician_Job_Description_and_Requirements_for_Becoming_an_Explosives_Technician.html

I think with that type of education and career he would be making some pretty good money and would not qualify for the housing co-op. I am just not convinced... not yet anyways.

I do think that he could have been travelling between Edmonton and Calgary with the NEB. If that is his job... Ugh!

 

[LoisLane]

For what it's worth... The phone number listed for JB at the NEB is not in service.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

DB who I think is JB's mom has a LinkedIn profile (the photos match with FB profile) and DB works as an Occupational Health & Safety Advisor at National Energy Board. She's in the University of Alberta network, and a few of JB's friends that I can see are also in the U of A network. I think JB has a university education of sorts and in my opinion seems it could very well be him who works at NEB as well.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

For those stuck in the stereotypical, misandristic definitions of abuse...

https://shrink4men.wordpress.com/

 

[evafiore]

I am no expert but I am pretty sure the last time a big demo job involving explosives was when the Calgary General Hospital was taken down. It is not an everyday job in Calgary.

Demo/excavation, in a lot of cases, does not involve explosives---more manual labour. We can't help but notice when it does involve explosives though, so many people assume that's always the case.

 

[evafiore]

I agree with you! He doesn't look the least bit like someone who works in the demo field. Unless he's, maybe the one who deals with explosives (there must be someone who is technically qualified to calculate how much explosive "product" is needed to make it safe and effective)...? This is the only way I can picture him working in that field. Maybe this could explain why he attended university.

My brother's not a big guy, actually built a bit like JB, and he did it for a few months. Demo/excavation is a mixed bag---some doing it as a career, some as an in-between, and others as the only thing they could get. Most people in it are not working with explosives, that's left to specialists. From what i know of how it can operate in other Canadian cities, it can be a shady business, some people working cash-in-hand.

At the time, my brother had three degrees, though some of his coworkers had just secondary school education, others maybe less. He did that to fill the time before getting what he considered a real job. He had some absolute nightmare stories (I distinctly remember one of having to clean up a building where some livestock had died a few months prior...:sick.

 

[deugirtni]

Can you please help lead the way for me to find that? I see that it says he has 3 connections, but there is no link to show me who the 3 are. TY !

If you look at the LinkedIn profile, Shannon is listed as one of the contacts. My bet is that it is the right profile.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't think anyone is trying to make excuses and reasons why a certain someone is off the hook because he was or wasn't actually staying in the home at the time SB disappeared. Would be great if there was CCTV coverage of the entrance/hallways of the co-op during that night in question. I think I have changed my tune over time to now agree that if in fact JB WAS staying at the shared home, he made a very unwise move in NOT reporting SB missing, at least to family members.

I think that previously, I excused that non-reporting as simply being not that involved in SB's daily life any more and just unconcerned with her, but now I feel that since her vehicle was apparently parked in the lot all that time, for those entire 5.5 days, when she had just arrived back in Calgary after being presumably in Edmonton, if he WAS staying at that home, then he would obviously have noticed her vehicle parked there for that long without moving, whether he wanted to notice it or not. Surely he would have wondered where she would be, without her vehicle for that long, even if he didn't care much about her any more? One might presume that he might even go so far as to then check on SB's likely separate bedroom, to see what he could see, for example, the cellphone still there. To see if she had packed bags? To see if it had been cleared out? To see if she was actually IN there? You would think, even if he wasn't concerned enough to call family, he would have been trying to reach HER to ask her whereabouts, since her vehicle was still there. There would be proof of him trying to reach her during that time, if it had happened. If it had happened, and no response ever, then wouldnt' one call the family to ask if perhaps she might be with them? I'm not sure why I did not previously see this as an issue that this did not happen, but I do see it as an issue now. MOO

Too bad we don't have ANY details like whether JB was staying elsewhere, what's up with the dog, etc.

One can "share" a home and still live separately. They were going through a divorce - Perhaps they are both listed on the lease and both contribute to the rent, but at any time, one can be staying elsewhere, even if it was short term. Just because it says they "share" a home, does not necessarily mean they both live there. Given their relationship troubles, their lifestyle choices and the fact he wasn't the one who was openly publicly concerned, there is just as much possibility that they were living apart. Just because he stated that he last saw her at the residence, is not proof he was staying there at the time.

 

[otto]

One can "share" a home and still live separately. They were going through a divorce - Perhaps they are both listed on the lease and both contribute to the rent, but at any time, one can be staying elsewhere, even if it was short term. Just because it says they "share" a home, does not necessarily mean they both live there. Given their relationship troubles, their lifestyle choices and the fact he wasn't the one who was openly publicly concerned, there is just as much possibility that they were living apart. Just because he stated that he last saw her at the residence, is not proof he was staying there at the time.

Sure, let's split hairs.

The facts of the case are that he last saw his wife at home in the middle of the night ... but that doesn't mean that he was at home when she was last seen.
They share a home in Ramsay, and even though that is where the husband last saw his wife in the middle of the night ... that doesn't mean they live in the home they share.

Therefore what?

 

[deugirtni]

OT

Funny, the things our computers/internet catch going on. In one way, it's great to feel so 'protected', but on the other, wow, what an invasion. The other day through my work, I was sending something and paying via Paypal for award submissions. My employer's paypal did not go through. After calling them, and being brushed off as nothing, and then asking for more answers.. they discovered that it was because one of the words in my message, they did not like. The word was... 'Iranian'. I thought to myself, wow, 'they're' really on the ball, good for them, even though it caused a glitch for me.... (whoever 'they' is ! ). I can see how your computer would slow down while googling explosives.

It is really difficult for me to fathom, with all of this spy stuff at our disposal these days, that we can't seem to figure out everyday community murder and missing people cases more easily.

I think that type of expertise takes a lot of highly specialized training. Tried googling it but my computer was slowing down drastically, so thought better of it. Powers that be don't like those words flitting across the airwaves these days. (I thought they'd be used to me by now.)

 

[otto]

I think the point that some are trying to make is, that LE only have the husband's word as to when she was last seen. They also lived a fairly non-traditional lifestyle, and therefore we cannot rule out the possibility that they weren't both actively living there at the time. If they had an open relationship like their dating profiles suggest, it is very possible that they both *legally* shared a residence, but did not always stay there together.

It didn't occur to me that both Shannon and her husband were so affluent that they could afford one residence for storing their clothing, possessions, and family pet, and they could each afford a second residence.

 

[otto]

Yes, I knew that and it actually was the Government of Canada directory I linked to (sorry, I said Alberta government, but I kinda meant there was nothing in the federal government directory for a JB in Alberta). I must have been having a seniors moment

We do know that he was at work when Shannon's family tried to reach him, and that they had to wait until he returned home to speak with him ... so he was working, and he did keep normal daytime work hours ... and he probably wasn't going somewhere unknown (perhaps a second residence that he could afford) for sleepovers at 1AM on a work night.

 

[evafiore]

Sure, let's split hairs.

The facts of the case are that he last saw his wife at home in the middle of the night ... but that doesn't mean that he was at home when she was last seen.
They share a home in Ramsay, and even though that is where the husband last saw his wife in the middle of the night ... that doesn't mean they live in the home they share.

Therefore what?

I'm not sure how to go about explaining this again, but emphasizing some things may help:
1. 12:30am is really not that late for a lot of people, particularly those in their mid twenties.
2. He could very well have been home at the time she was seen, and then he left to go to wherever he was staying during their divorce. When couples are estranged, they sometimes do this.
3. It is possible to pay rent somewhere and not stay there, and it often happens when people are having a conflict.

 

[evafiore]

It didn't occur to me that both Shannon and her husband were so affluent that they could afford one residence for storing their clothing, possessions, and family pet, and they could each afford a second residence.

Nope, but they do have family and friends in Calgary.

 

[deugirtni]

Is there a maximum income limit imposed to get into that co-op? I only saw a 'minimum' income requirement?

I think with that type of education and career he would be making some pretty good money and would not qualify for the housing co-op. I am just not convinced... not yet anyways.

I do think that he could have been travelling between Edmonton and Calgary with the NEB. If that is his job... Ugh!