Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[evafiore]

We do know that he was at work when Shannon's family tried to reach him, and that they had to wait until he returned home to speak with him ... so he was working, and he did keep normal daytime work hours ... and he probably wasn't going for sleepovers at 1AM on a work night.

Yes, we're just trying to find the connection between SAIT and JB's husband (or something other than just the name...) It's likely but not 100%.

 

[otto]

I'm not sure how to go about explaining this again, but there are some things should maybe be emphasized:
1. 12:30am is really not that late for a lot of people, particularly those in their mid twenties.
2. He could very well have been home at the time she was seen, and then he left to go to wherever he was staying during their divorce. When couples are estranged, they sometimes do this.
3. It is possible to pay rent somewhere and not stay there, and it often happens when people are having a conflict.

12:30AM is late for everyone that has to get up and go to work in the morning.
If someone is staying at a second residence, money is necessary to pay for it. Neither party in the marriage appears to have enough money to pay for two rental accommodations.

 

[otto]

Yes, we're just trying to find the connection between SAIT and JB's husband. It's likely but not 100%.

What difference does it make. The husband had a job normal day job on the day that Shannon's family wanted to reach him, so he also had a normal day job the previous week when Shannon vanished.

 

[news.talk]

It didn't occur to me that both Shannon and her husband were so affluent that they could afford one residence for storing their clothing, possessions, and family pet, and they could each afford a second residence.

What I meant, was that ONE of them may have lived or stayed elsewhere. I don't think it is unheard of, that during a divorce one party stays with a friend or relative. With an open relationship and a separation, it may also mean that they may occasionally stay with someone else.

 

[deugirtni]

It is not likely that they actually 'resided' permanently in different locations than the shared home.. but it is certainly possible that, given their 'mostly non monogamous/open relationship' lifestyle, they, or one, or both, or the other, could be enjoying some overnight visits/pyjama parties with other people elsewhere.

It didn't occur to me that both Shannon and her husband were so affluent that they could afford one residence for storing their clothing, possessions, and family pet, and they could each afford a second residence.

 

[news.talk]

12:30AM is late for everyone that has to get up and go to work in the morning.
If someone is staying at a second residence, money is necessary to pay for it. Neither party in the marriage appears to have enough money to pay for two rental accommodations.

FWIW, I know many people, myself included, that stays up that late on weeknights and I am much older than these two. If they had an argument that night, it makes sense that they were both still up.

As for financial ability to pay for a second residence, not if one was just crashing at a friend's for the short term.

 

[otto]

What I meant, was that ONE of them may have lived or stayed elsewhere. I don't think it is unheard of, that during a divorce one party stays with a friend or relative. With an open relationship and a separation, it may also mean that they may occasionally stay with someone else.

If either party was living somewhere else during the divorce, they would not both be in the home they shared in the middle of the night on a work night.

 

[deugirtni]

Connection #2 is that another person with the same last name, who also appears as a 'friend' on JB's FB, and whom we here at WS 'presume' to be his close family member, also works at NEB.. which could be coincidental, or it could be how JB got his foot in the door doing contract work for them.

Yes, we're just trying to find the connection between SAIT and JB's husband (or something other than just the name...) It's likely but not 100%.

 

[otto]

FWIW, I know many people, myself included, that stays up that late on weeknights and I am much older than these two. If they had an argument that night, it makes sense that they were both still up.

As for financial ability to pay for a second residence, not if one was just crashing at a friend's for the short term.

I'm sure that people stay up later on the weekends than on a work night. Shannon was last seen on a work night. Even 20 year olds are at home and ready for bed at midnight on a work night.

Divorce is not a "short term" event. No one "crashes" at a friend's home for the 1-2 years it takes to process a divorce.

 

[evafiore]

What difference does it make. The husband had a job normal day job on the day that Shannon's family wanted to reach him, so he also had a normal day job the previous week when Shannon vanished.

If you were to read over the thread, you might see that we're not even sure about the nature of his job. The NEB job, if it is him, was contract. The number is out of service. Alternatives are demolition, as specified on his OkCupid profile, or something else that isn't available to the public because it doesn't have to be. I don't remember seeing anywhere that he had to "return from his normal day job for the family to reach him." If you have a link stating this, it could definitely assist in clearing this up.

 

[news.talk]

If either party was living somewhere else during the divorce, they would not both be in the home they shared in the middle of the night on a work night.

I could think of many scenarios this could happen - for example, if the dog was still around, he was staying there while she was in Edmonton to care for it. They got talking or fighting and they were both up later.

I think the point that everyone is trying to make is, when we don't have all the details, we cannot rule out possibilities just because we like our theory better than other's.

 

[evafiore]

I'm sure that people stay up later on the weekends than on a work night. Shannon was last seen on a work night. Even 20 year olds are at home and ready for bed at midnight on a work night.

Divorce is not a "short term" event. No one "crashes" at a friend's home for the 1-2 years it takes to process a divorce.

You're entitled to your opinion. If you think that everyone is home and in bed at 12:30am, run with that. Just not into the street at 12:30am, where these people who are supposed to be home sleeping are driving around in their cars (that are supposed to be parked where these people live because they live there).

 

[news.talk]

I'm sure that people stay up later on the weekends than on a work night. Shannon was last seen on a work night. Even 20 year olds are at home and ready for bed at midnight on a work night.

Divorce is not a "short term" event. No one "crashes" at a friend's home for the 1-2 years it takes to process a divorce.

Again... what I am saying, is that just because that is what you believe, doesn't make it true. When I was in my twenties, NO ONE I knew went to bed early on weeknights, no matter what time we had to get up.

ETA - If the relationship was recently in seperation, then yes... Short term crashing is very likely while they figured out what to do long term. Maybe they were like many twenty year olds in a relationship, and were apart then together, then apart again, then with someone else, and back home again. Many, many variables.

 

[otto]

If you were to read over the thread, you might see that we're not even sure about the nature of his job. The NEB job, if it is him, was contract. The number is out of service. Alternatives are demolition, as specified on his OkCupid profile, or something else that isn't available to the public because it doesn't have to be. I don't remember seeing anywhere that he had to "return from his normal day job for the family to reach him." If you have a link stating this, it could definitely assist in clearing this up.

How is this man's job important to Shannon's disappearance?

What I read between the lines is an earnest effort to have the husband away from home after 12:30AM, and completely unaware of Shannon's activities after he last saw her at their home. I have not read any facts to support the suggestion that he lived elsewhere and indeed existing facts contradict this suggestion.

What I don't understand is why there is an earnest effort to place the husband away from the home at the time that Shannon vanished from her home. In most cases I've followed on this forum, people look at the facts to understand the case rather than create hypothetical circumstances that serve to eliminate suspects.

 

[deugirtni]

Hmm, I've been thinking about this more just recently.

Remember the FB post that SB made in regard to her brakes going for a shat? Then... she was posting on her FB about arriving back in Calgary too late to have attended the event at YY's? We assumed that she was already back in Calgary when she made that post. One of our sleuthers enquired whether it is possible that SB made that post BEFORE she arrived back in Calgary. I am starting to wonder if perhaps SB called on her hubby to come to Edmonton to help her return to Calgary due to the brake situation. With SB being a young woman, she may have felt leery about driving her vehicle back by herself.. is it possible that JB went, being a good samaritan, to Edmonton, drove her car back to Calgary, while she drove his? If SB was still in Edmonton when she made that post, the timing would be about right, at 12;30am, for the 2 of them to have reached the 'shared' home in Calgary.

That could explain why he was there, seeing her at 12;30am.. that whole situation could have prompted an argument.. ie.. 'you can't afford all these travel/transportation costs to keep going back and forth to Edmonton with your actor wages, and now you're cutting into my sleep time and my transportation costs to go and fetch you because you need a repair which you also can't afford.. blah blah'.. ?? That could explain why SB's sister stated that SB could be upset. It is possible, no? So say the 2 weren't getting along famously, in the midst of their 'messy divorce', there HAD to have been money issues since it appears that only one of the two had income to support the lifestyle, and JB went home to his mom's place for a bit? Is this an impossibility?

If either party was living somewhere else during the divorce, they would not both be in the home they shared in the middle of the night on a work night.

 

[otto]

Again... what I am saying, is that just because that is what you believe, doesn't make it true. When I was in my twenties, NO ONE I knew went to bed early on weeknights, no matter what time we had to get up.

It is true that the couple shared their Ramsay home with their dog. It is true that they were both at home when Shannon was last seen at 12:30AM.

It is not factual that they each had a second residence, that they were crashing somewhere else for the 1-2 years it takes to process a divorce, that the dog is dead, that the dog went to the Edmonton audition, that the dog was looked after by an acquaintance at the time that Shannon was at home, or that the husband left home in the middle of the night.

What is true is that the sister uses the words "Shannon left" in her news conference. It is true that Shannon left the home that the couple shared. It is true that no one, and no surveillance, captured Shannon after she was last seen by her husband at home in the middle of the night.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

How is this man's job important to Shannon's disappearance?

What I read between the lines is an earnest effort to have the husband away from home after 12:30AM, and completely unaware of Shannon's activities after he last saw her at their home. I have not read any facts to support the suggestion that he lived elsewhere and indeed existing facts contradict this suggestion.

What I don't understand is why there is an earnest effort to place the husband away from the home at the time that Shannon vanished from her home. In most cases I've followed on this forum, people look at the facts to understand the case rather than create hypothetical circumstances that serve to eliminate suspects.

So you completely rely on "facts" reported by possible suspects? Really?

And if demolition, which includes virtually endless disposal bins, debris to be disposed, disposal companies, disposal sites, and all the tools one could need to destroy and dispose things... isn't relevant... then... hmmmmm.

 

[deugirtni]

Just to be clear, when I said that JB didn't look the type to be doing that type of work, I was in no way referring to his size or build. I was referring more to his clean-cut-tedness, and other things, like his attire (in pics that I had seen previously on I guess mostly FB), his expression, his writings, .. to me, it isn't a fit. I have no idea on his build or height or anything, but imho, that wouldnt' have a bearing, it is the other things. MOO

My brother's not a big guy, actually built a bit like JB, and he did it for a few months. Demo/excavation is a mixed bag---some doing it as a career, some as an in-between, and others as the only thing they could get. .....

 

[evafiore]

How is this man's job important to Shannon's disappearance?

What I read between the lines is an earnest effort to have the husband away from home after 12:30AM, and completely unaware of Shannon's activities after he last saw her at their home. I have not read any facts to support the suggestion that he lived elsewhere and indeed existing facts contradict this suggestion.

What I don't understand is why there is an earnest effort to place the husband away from the home at the time that Shannon vanished from her home. In most cases I've followed on this forum, people look at the facts to understand the case rather than create hypothetical circumstances that serve to eliminate suspects.

We're not trying to eliminate suspects or possibilities without full confidence that we can. Like you, we're trying to read between the lines. I wouldn't eliminate anything unless I was 100% confident that it could be eliminated. I'm not 100% confident that the husband was or wasn't at home for those few days, so I'm not going to eliminate either possibility. You're entitled to your opinion, as are we.

 

[deugirtni]

otto, not to pick on you at all.. but just like not all people wear gloves and a hat when it hovers around zero degrees celcius, not all people have normal, disciplined sleep patterns either. Some people's systems are on a clock, while others feel more comfortable letting their bodies rule the day, and if they overindulge, they pay the consequences, like if they stay up too late, they may find they are tired at work the next day. The world is full of people who are all different and functioning in their own ways.

I'm sure that people stay up later on the weekends than on a work night. Shannon was last seen on a work night. Even 20 year olds are at home and ready for bed at midnight on a work night.

Divorce is not a "short term" event. No one "crashes" at a friend's home for the 1-2 years it takes to process a divorce.