Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[evafiore]

Oh, this is so totally OT but thought we needed something light and fuzzy right now ... This morning I found someone's little shopping list that had blown into my driveway. Here it is (I'm guessing KS = kingsize). Be sure to read down to the last 2:

Mr. Big KS
Reeses KS
Glosettes
Smarties
Oh Henrys KS
Muskateers
M&Ms Yellow
Apple
Primetime Grape

Ya think they are going by the old adage "An apple a day keeps the doctor away"? :floorlaugh:

What the...? :laughing:

 

[Sillybilly]

Haha! That is quite the sugar load. Unless it is code for narcotics

So, do you think that 5-ton truck down the road that has "Flour & Sugar" crudely painted on the side really has flour and sugar in it?

 

[LoisLane]

So, do you think that 5-ton truck down the road that has "Flour & Sugar" crudely painted on the side really has flour and sugar in it?

Do you live near a chocolate factory? That is quite the coincidence... Maybe they are "cooking" in it!

 

[Leischa]

Since there aren't many facts available to us and we've all been speculating for a while, I'll be sharing an idea that I had tonight.

Shannon was into meeting people, both for personal interests and professional interests. There are people who target young (and older) women looking for jobs in the movie industry and who take advantage of them.

What if she was lured into going somewhere to meet with someone who supposably could help her with her acting career? She could've met that person during her audition in Edmonton...

I looked up ''human trafficking Alberta'' and was surprised to find out that there is a website devoted to just that. Most cases are typical of what we hear on the news : young women from foreign countries who are asked to come work in Canada and end up as prostitutes, but there are also Canadian women who get caught up in these kinds of situations.

Here is the link to ACT Alberta
http://www.actalberta.org/index.php

And this is a link to the story of a girl (Jessie Foster) who vanished years ago and has yet to be found. I found her name in the section ''Examples of Domestic Trafficking in Alberta'' from the link above.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/feb/21/after-eight-years-hope-remains-alive-even-if-missi/

I'm not ruling out any other possibilities. I'm just trying to think of reasons why LE would apparently not suspect the people close to her.

And I've been wondering, how do we know for sure that Shannon didn't have any other job? She used to work in an office (although I can't remember her job title) a couple of years ago. Did she quit her day job so she could focus on her acting career? Or did she juggle acting and other small jobs in order to pay for rent, food, clothing, etc.

I don't like saying this, but could it be a possibility that she took a part-time job as an escort or something in that field? Many women do that and, when the agency who hired them is well managed, it's a good way for them to make money and they're relatively safe. Why am I even thinking about this? Maybe because we heard Erin tell Shannon in the presser that ''You are not in trouble.'' Why would she say that if Shannon hadn't done anything ''bad''?

What do you think? :thinking:

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Could be, but I'm reading it as 'contacted Josh' means 'contacted' ie left a voicemail, only because it says 'and when we hadn't heard back', to me it sounds like 'hadn't heard back from the msgs I'd left for Josh'. But yes, another thing left up to interpretation for sure.

I understand, but when you place what she said in your own head, and the organizational structure... keep in mind she is explaining what led the family to contact LE.

She starts the story... she said she started calling SB and then contacted JB... so when she hadn't heard back and then JB went home and found she wasn't there... they contacted LE.

The reasoning is coordinated with the story.

Notice she said "started calling" and "contacted"... not started calling SB and JB...

Anal? You bet, but it also doesn't quite make sense for her to start with saying they started calling SB, and then go on about trying to contact JB, and he didn't call back, but he did call us later to say she wasn't home... it leaves the calling SB portion dangling without resolution.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I guess game is a poor choice of word. I am not agreeing that the time is correct but that when I change my current city to Calgary it does adjust to the times you are sticking with. I would like to experiment further how the times are generated on her account.

You also make reference to a time of 2am. I gather that time is pulled from something else you read upthread that was possibly pulled from an Easterner who is looking at FB in a different time zone setting. Correct me if I am wrong but I feel like you are aware of the time discrepancy yet you are referring to the time as fact. I believe you know perfectly well 2am isn't the correct time. If we are going to dwell on theories and speculation it would be best to confirm our statements by either asking for clarification or sleuthing it and in this example it would make sense for the person arguing the point to find a way themselves to access the facebook account and clarify it for themselves especially when there is confusion on the times in Shannon's FB posts.

Just so I have the facts clear... you actually feel "game" is the correct word then?

 

[evafiore]

I understand, but when you place what she said in your own head, and the organizational structure... keep in mind she is explaining what led the family to contact LE.

She starts the story... she said she started calling SB and then contacted JB... so when she hadn't heard back and then JB went home and found she wasn't there... they contacted LE.

The reasoning is coordinated with the story.

Notice she said "started calling" and "contacted"... not started calling SB and JB...

Anal? You bet, but it also doesn't quite make sense for her to start with saying they started calling SB, and then go on about trying to contact JB, and he didn't call back, but he did call us later to say she wasn't home... it leaves the calling SB portion dangling without resolution.

Last edited by OutOfTheDarkness; Today at 08:17 AM. Reason: Lead Poisoning

Maybe you should lay off those paint chips

 

[deugirtni]

Yes agreed.

I understand, but when you place what she said in your own head, and the organizational structure... keep in mind she is explaining what led the family to contact LE.

She starts the story... she said she started calling SB and then contacted JB... so when she hadn't heard back and then JB went home and found she wasn't there... they contacted LE.

The reasoning is coordinated with the story.

Notice she said "started calling" and "contacted"... not started calling SB and JB...

Anal? You bet, but it also doesn't quite make sense for her to start with saying they started calling SB, and then go on about trying to contact JB, and he didn't call back, but he did call us later to say she wasn't home... it leaves the calling SB portion dangling without resolution.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm sorry if (and I believe it was) it was me who originally got the times all screwed up. It hadn't registered in my brain at first that I was seeing 'times' as my own time, in relation to whatever time a post was posted in a different time zone. So my initial posts wayyyyy back, were 2 hours ahead of what they really were in SB's time zone (Calgary time).

I think that even after that realization.. not sure if it was ME again who made the error.. but.. the 22:54, should have been 23;54, and I think that was just a stupidity/math/blonde error.

So this is what I have.. anyone who disagrees please let me know right away, and perhaps we can finalize it:

I'm taking this frmo the post Sillybilly made regarding timelines earlier, and I don't think anyone disagreed with those times, and I'm adding to them:


Weekend of Nov 22-23 - SMB was said to have been in Edmonton, seen by many

Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm (Nov 25 23:54) Alberta time, SMB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)

Nov 25 @ 11:58 pm (Nov 25 23:58) Alberta time, a DM pointed out her spelling error re "breaks"

Nov 26 @ 12:02 am (Nov 26 00:02) Alberta time, SMB acknowledged DM's spelling correction and edited her earlier post to "brakes"

Nov 26 - I'm adding in here that it is believed she attended an audition, which she did in fact show up for, in Edmonton, sometime on this day, not sure what time

Nov 26 @ 09:15 pm (Nov 26 21:15) Alberta time, SMB posts on YukYuks FB “So sad I didn’t make it back into Calgary in time for the show”

Nov 26 @ 10:06 pm (Nov 26 22:06) Alberta time, SMB made her last post wrt "missing the man ... funzies ..." - which was a post she made in reply to her fellow Larper friend with whom she did that particular 'skit' or whatever you want to call it.

Nov 27 @ 12:30am (Nov 27 00:30) Alberta time, (2.5 hours after her last known public FB post), SMB was reported to have been seen by her ex husband JB in the home they still shared even though reportedly going through a 'messy divorce' by MSM - this is reported by MSM and LE as being the last time she was seen and/or heard from.

Nov 30 @ whatever time, SMB failed to show up (as she had made plans to do only on Tuesday Nov 25th), for an event with her brother (I believe it was brother Brett) at Stage West, or otherwise contact him to let him know she wasn't attending afterall.

Dec 01 @ whatever time, SMB's father called SMB's sister EM to ask if she had spoken to SMB lately, and when she had not, EM started trying to reach SMB, and also contacted JB, and when she didn't hear back from SMB, and when JB returned 'HOME that night' and found she wasn't there, the family called then called police.

Dec 04 @ whatever time, police and family members (SMB's mom, dad, 2 brothers, 1 sister, 1 sister-in-law, and ex-husband) made a plea to the public and to SMB if she was listening, to come forward with any information on SMB's whereabouts.

 

[deugirtni]

Not that it especially matters but.. I thought I'd also add in here some other timelines:

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Shanswer Nsfw and Josh Nsfw are now friends.
October 29, 2012

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Shanswer Nsfw
December 20, 2012 ·
·
Got Engaged to Josh Nsfw
December 20, 2012

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Shanswer Nsfw and Josh Nsfw

Engaged since November 29, 2012

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Shanswer Nsfw
December 13, 2012 ·
·
Got Engaged to Josh Nsfw
December 13, 2012

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Shanswer Nsfw
March 15, 2013 ·

Allow me to introduce the coolest dog in the world; my new pup Beowoof

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Shannon H Burgess
May 1, 2014 · Edited ·

Sooo... I'm just gonna go ahead and get married on Sunday. FYI
Josh Burgess

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[OutOfTheDarkness]

Last edited by OutOfTheDarkness; Today at 08:17 AM. Reason: Lead Poisoning

Maybe you should lay off those paint chips

Yes... it's like their, there, and they're... or your and you're...

... lead and led are my Kryptonite.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I'm sorry if (and I believe it was) it was me who originally got the times all screwed up. It hadn't registered in my brain at first that I was seeing 'times' as my own time, in relation to whatever time a post was posted in a different time zone. So my initial posts wayyyyy back, were 2 hours ahead of what they really were in SB's time zone (Calgary time).

I think that even after that realization.. not sure if it was ME again who made the error.. but.. the 22:54, should have been 23;54, and I think that was just a stupidity/math/blonde error.

So this is what I have.. anyone who disagrees please let me know right away, and perhaps we can finalize it:

I'm taking this frmo the post Sillybilly made regarding timelines earlier, and I don't think anyone disagreed with those times, and I'm adding to them:


Weekend of Nov 22-23 - SMB was said to have been in Edmonton, seen by many

Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm (Nov 25 23:54) Alberta time, SMB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)

Nov 25 @ 11:58 pm (Nov 25 23:58) Alberta time, a DM pointed out her spelling error re "breaks"

Nov 26 @ 12:02 am (Nov 26 00:02) Alberta time, SMB acknowledged DM's spelling correction and edited her earlier post to "brakes"

Nov 26 - I'm adding in here that it is believed she attended an audition, which she did in fact show up for, in Edmonton, sometime on this day, not sure what time

Nov 26 @ 09:15 pm (Nov 26 21:15) Alberta time, SMB posts on YukYuks FB “So sad I didn’t make it back into Calgary in time for the show”

Nov 26 @ 10:06 pm (Nov 26 22:06) Alberta time, SMB made her last post wrt "missing the man ... funzies ..." - which was a post she made in reply to her fellow Larper friend with whom she did that particular 'skit' or whatever you want to call it.

Nov 27 @ 12:30am (Nov 27 00:30) Alberta time, (2.5 hours after her last known public FB post), SMB was reported to have been seen by her ex husband JB in the home they still shared even though reportedly going through a 'messy divorce' by MSM - this is reported by MSM and LE as being the last time she was seen and/or heard from.

Nov 30 @ whatever time, SMB failed to show up (as she had made plans to do only on Tuesday Nov 25th), for an event with her brother (I believe it was brother Brett) at Stage West, or otherwise contact him to let him know she wasn't attending afterall.

Dec 01 @ whatever time, SMB's father called SMB's sister EM to ask if she had spoken to SMB lately, and when she had not, EM started trying to reach SMB, and also contacted JB, and when she didn't hear back from SMB, and when JB returned 'HOME that night' and found she wasn't there, the family called then called police.

Dec 04 @ whatever time, police and family members (SMB's mom, dad, 2 brothers, 1 sister, 1 sister-in-law, and ex-husband) made a plea to the public and to SMB if she was listening, to come forward with any information on SMB's whereabouts.

"the family called then called police"...

Is this a case for The Department of Redundancy Department?

 

[news.talk]

I still wonder if SB wrote that last FB post on the 26th and if she actually ever *returned* from Edmonton at all. It is just as likely that she was driven there and back by JB , due to car problems. There is a LOT of empty space, fields for miles and other places someone could dump a body. He may have had access to her login info, made a post and said she came back.

 

[news.talk]

FWIW... Shannon's sister had posted on FB (Dec.3) that Shannon was last seen in Calgary. She specifically said Shannon was last seen in Calgary and NOT Edmonton.

If she got that information from JB and did not suspect him, taking him at his word... It may not be accurate.

 

[news.talk]

The couple were not living separately. They were living together, so we don't need to consider the possibility that they didn't live together because the facts are that they shared a home and they were together at their home when Shannon was last seen.

"Shannon was last seen in the early morning hours of Thursday, November 27, at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. S.E in the community of Ramsay, a home she shares with her husband Josh."

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

I *shared* a home with my ex for two years after we seperated. We were both on title and due to child and dog, he would be there often. He was living elsewhere but we still *shared* a home. A couple going through a seperation don't generally like to actively live in the same house. Talk about War of the Roses! Personally, based on my life experiences, I find it MORE likely that he was staying with friends or family. Just because you need a minimum income to lease the unit, doesn't mean you have to be there 24/7. Leases are commonly 1 year... They are not going to ask for proof of actual residency in the middle of a lease, nor do they check in everyday to ensure you are there.

We also don't even know if the dog is still around.

 

[news.talk]

It seems she might have commonly accessed her Facebook through her smartphone... A phone she "left" at home before disappearing... "Someone, with access to the phone *could* have posted on her behalf.


""Investigators now hows her phone and computer so if you see her online thats why""

Also... I see there is an edit on that 11:54 post - It says 11:54 to me and I am in Calgary.... It doesn't say the time of the edit, but it does say that it was the next day.

 

[otto]

The post must have been made at 11:54PM, and the edit at 12:02AM on the night of Tuesday/Wednesday. 24 hours later she vanished, but her car arrived safely at home. I wonder if her brakes were tampered with.

 

[Sillybilly]

It seems she might have commonly accessed her Facebook through her smartphone... A phone she "left" at home before disappearing... "Someone, with access to the phone *could* have posted on her behalf.

""Investigators now hows her phone and computer so if you see her online thats why""

Also... I see there is an edit on that 11:54 post - It says 11:54 to me and I am in Calgary.... It doesn't say the time of the edit, but it does say that it was the next day.

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That's curious .. when I click "Edit History" it definitely shows the times of the edit (but iirc there are some strange differences whether you are viewing from a PC or smartphone .. I'm on PC). I've taken a screenshot, but am in a rush right now and don't have time to do a crop/post. If y'all insist on it, i can post it later .. but only if you insist

 

[LoisLane]

If she got that information from JB and did not suspect him, taking him at his word... It may not be accurate.

I agree. I really hope the information was validated by more than one person or she was seen on camera somewhere.

 

[stan laurel]

I agree. I really hope the information was validated by more than one person or she was seen on camera somewhere.

maybe he had an alibi,, I mean, jb might have been the last to see her but the person he might have been entertaining might have been one of the last to hear her leave?