Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[evafiore]

Is it reasonable that the couple, living in a co-op where the minimum annual salary must be $45k, could each afford a second residence? Is it reasonable that either party would move out of the co-op during divorce, meaning that they would lose rights to living in the co-op townhouse?

No, not reasonable. Though as a couple going through a divorce, they must live separately for one year before they can get a divorce. They can't afford a second residence, but they do have friends and family in Calgary. It is reasonable to believe that someone was helping someone out through a separation or at least until the lease was up at the co-op or they could arrange a move.

It would be unkind for JB not to contact police if he knew. It would unreasonable for LE and the family not to question this without good cause. This could possibly be that JB didn't know she was gone. Alternately, they may be in fact questioning it and have not released that to the public.

Just my opinion, and I must emphasize that I am not saying it's fact. These are interpretations.

 

[otto]

I feel like this is a game of pointing out mistakes and twisting theories into fact. It is all speculation based on information available.

I've never considered a missing person, or a murder, to be a game.

It's clear that we now agree that Shannon posted about the brakes at 10:54PM. That fact is relevant and has nothing to do with speculation.

 

[otto]

This was the last timeline that was worked out:

Nov 25 @ 11:54 pm Alberta time, SB posted on FB that breaks went for $h!t (no location showing)
Nov 25 @ 11:58 pm Alberta time, a DM pointed out her spelling error re "breaks"
Nov 26 @ 12:02 am Alberta time, SM acknowledged DM's spelling correction and edited her earlier post to "brakes"
Nov 26 @ 9:15 pm Alberta time, SM posts on YukYuks FB “So sad I didn’t make it back into Calgary in time for the show”
Nov 26 @ 10:06 pm Alberta time, SM made her last post wrt "missing the man ... funzies ..

The problem with that timeline is that the timestamp on the facebook post is 10:54PM, so all times are off by an hour.

 

[otto]

No, not reasonable. Though as a couple going through a divorce, they must live separately for one year before they can get a divorce. They can't afford a second residence, but they do have friends and family in Calgary. It is reasonable to believe that someone was helping someone out through a separation or at least until the lease was up at the co-op or they could arrange a move.

It would be unkind for JB not to contact police if he knew. It would unreasonable for LE and the family not to question this without good cause. This could possibly be that JB didn't know she was gone. Alternately, they may be in fact questioning it and have not released that to the public.

Just my opinion, and I must emphasize that I am not saying it's fact. These are interpretations.

The couple were not living separately. They were living together, so we don't need to consider the possibility that they didn't live together because the facts are that they shared a home and they were together at their home when Shannon was last seen.

"Shannon was last seen in the early morning hours of Thursday, November 27, at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. S.E in the community of Ramsay, a home she shares with her husband Josh."

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

 

[Sillybilly]

The problem with that timeline is that the timestamp on the facebook post is 10:54PM, so all times are off by an hour.

Nope, I don't think so. I'm in BC and was seeing 10:54 so added 1 hour for each timestamp to reflect Alberta time. Presumably Shannon had her FB settings set for Alberta time.

 

[evafiore]

The couple were not living separately. They were living together, so we don't need to consider the possibility that they didn't live together because the facts are that they shared a home and they were together at their home when Shannon was last seen.

"Shannon was last seen in the early morning hours of Thursday, November 27, at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. S.E in the community of Ramsay, a home she shares with her husband Josh."

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

Another interpretation. They were also going through a messy divorce and to get a divorce in Canada you must go through a one-year separation, living APART.

SB was gone for a few days to Edmonton. What's stopping JB being gone for a few days?

I share a home in Canada. I am not there.

 

[otto]

Another interpretation. They were also going through a messy divorce and to get a divorce in Canada you must go through a one-year separation, living APART.

SB was gone for a few days to Edmonton. What's stopping JB being gone for a few days?

I share a home in Canada. I am not there.

Shannon was last seen at the home she shares with her husband. That has been reported in the media. I must be missing something, because I clearly don't understand how "Shannon shares a home with her husband" becomes "Shannon and her husband are living separate and apart".

If the facts of the case are not important, and we would rather assume that although the couple shared a home, they actually didn't share a home ... fine by me. Someone should contact the media and let them know that they have it all wrong and that because they were going to divorce, they could not possibly be sharing a home.

 

[otto]

Nope, I don't think so. I'm in BC and was seeing 10:54 so added 1 hour for each timestamp to reflect Alberta time. Presumably Shannon had her FB settings set for Alberta time.

Fair enough ... I don't know anything about facebook and how it all works.

11:54 Tuesday/Wed the brakes are not working. 24 hours later, she vanishes.

 

[evafiore]

Shannon was last seen at the home she shares with her husband. That has been reported in the media. I must be missing something, because I clearly don't understand how "Shannon shares a home with her husband" becomes "Shannon and her husband are living separate and apart".

You can share a home with someone and not stay there (like I do). This often happens when couples are divorcing.

LE and the family might feel that where JB was sleeping is not pertinent to the investigation, and simply said a home that they shared. Not "a home that they shared but they were going through a divorce after 5 months of marriage and an open relationship so JB was staying at his Mom's, who lives at..." They didn't announce to everyone that the brakes went on her car, that they had an open relationship, or SB's sexual preferences. And why would they? Who wants that stuff made public?

I'm not saying that JB was definitely not there. I'm saying it's possible.

 

[otto]

You can share a home with someone and not stay there (like I do). This often happens when couples are divorcing.

LE and the family might feel that where JB was sleeping is not pertinent to the investigation. Who wants that stuff made public?

I'm not saying that JB was definitely not there. I'm saying it's possible.

We know that this is a fact of the case:

"Shannon was last seen in the early morning hours of Thursday, November 27, at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. S.E in the community of Ramsay, a home she shares with her husband Josh." (link)

Shannon was last seen at her home, a home she shares with her husband. We know that he was also at their home. It is simply a fact that Shannon was last seen at the home she shared with her husband. Given this statement of fact, what part of the statement suggests that the couple was living separate and apart?

 

[LoisLane]

I've never considered a missing person, or a murder, to be a game.

It's clear that we now agree that Shannon posted about the brakes at 10:54PM. That fact is relevant and has nothing to do with speculation.

I guess game is a poor choice of word. I am not agreeing that the time is correct but that when I change my current city to Calgary it does adjust to the times you are sticking with. I would like to experiment further how the times are generated on her account.

You also make reference to a time of 2am. I gather that time is pulled from something else you read upthread that was possibly pulled from an Easterner who is looking at FB in a different time zone setting. Correct me if I am wrong but I feel like you are aware of the time discrepancy yet you are referring to the time as fact. I believe you know perfectly well 2am isn't the correct time. If we are going to dwell on theories and speculation it would be best to confirm our statements by either asking for clarification or sleuthing it and in this example it would make sense for the person arguing the point to find a way themselves to access the facebook account and clarify it for themselves especially when there is confusion on the times in Shannon's FB posts.

 

[otto]

I guess game is a poor choice of word. I am not agreeing that the time is correct but that when I change my current city to Calgary it does adjust to the times you are sticking with. I would like to experiment further how the times are generated on her account.

You also make reference to a time of 2am. I gather that time is pulled from something else you read upthread that was possibly pulled from an Easterner who is looking at FB in a different time zone setting. Correct me if I am wrong but I feel like you are aware of the time discrepancy yet you are referring to the time as fact. I believe you know perfectly well 2am isn't the correct time. If we are going to dwell on theories and speculation it would be best to confirm our statements by either asking for clarification or sleuthing it and in this example it would make sense for the person arguing the point to find a way themselves to access the facebook account and clarify it for themselves especially when there is confusion on the times in Shannon's FB posts.

A link was provided with 2AM time.

 

[LoisLane]

Nope, I don't think so. I'm in BC and was seeing 10:54 so added 1 hour for each timestamp to reflect Alberta time. Presumably Shannon had her FB settings set for Alberta time.

That's what I did as well. But when I added my current city to Calgary it changed the times back to 10:54 etc.. I am wondering if there is some sort of setting that is set differently that I am missing. Irritating I tell ya!

 

[LoisLane]

A link was provided with 2AM time.

Could you update your post to include the link you are referencing?

NM.. I see you were quoting someone else and not the actual link showing a time. I also see that you were not suggesting the theory but asking if it makes sense. Which, in my opinion it doesn't because the times are not accurate. I think I read your posts as if you are suggesting the scenario when really you are putting forth one that doesn't make sense and you are trying to convey that. I think I must be attaching a tone to your comments. I will try my best to read them with that in mind in the future.

 

[evafiore]

We know that this is a fact of the case:

"Shannon was last seen in the early morning hours of Thursday, November 27, at her home in the 1900 block of Spiller Rd. S.E in the community of Ramsay, a home she shares with her husband Josh." (link)

Shannon was last seen at her home, a home she shares with her husband. We know that he was also at their home. It is simply a fact that Shannon was last seen at the home she shared with her husband. Given this statement of fact, what part of the statement suggests that the couple was living separate and apart?

Sharing a home is one thing. It doesn't mean you sleep there. Some people might not be comfortable with that being public knowledge. Do you think SB would be comfortable with "last seen at a home that they shared but they were going through a divorce after 5 months of marriage and an open relationship so JB was staying at his Mom's, who lives at..."?

 

[Sillybilly]

That's what I did as well. But when I added my current city to Calgary it changed the times back to 10:54 etc.. I am wondering if there is some sort of setting that is set differently that I am missing. Irritating I tell ya!

I’m in BC. Late this morning I made a post on an Ontario friend’s FB (Ontario is 3 hours ahead of BC).

When I go to my friend's FB and see my morning post from BC, it says “3 hours ago” and when I hover over that, it says 11:45 am (which is BC time that i made that post). My friend replied just a couple of minutes later, and it shows them as having replied at 11:49 am which would be BC time (not their actual 2:49 pm Ontario time).

Extending that same logic (? lol) I conclude that the times viewers see on Shannon’s FB in Alberta are based on the viewers' timezones, and therefore believe my previous calculations are correct when I take the times I (as a viewer) am seeing in BC and add 1 hour to calculate when they were made in Alberta.

 

[LoisLane]

I’m in BC. Late this morning I made a post on an Ontario friend’s FB (Ontario is 3 hours ahead of BC).

When I go to my friend's FB and see my morning post from BC, it says “3 hours ago” and when I hover over that, it says 11:45 am (which is BC time that i made that post). My friend replied just a couple of minutes later, and it shows them as having replied at 11:49 am which would be BC time (not their actual 2:49 pm Ontario time).

Extending that same logic (? lol) I conclude that the times viewers see on Shannon’s FB in Alberta are based on the viewers' timezones, and therefore believe my previous calculations are correct when I take the times I am seeing in BC and add 1 hour to calculate when they were made in Alberta.

That is what I conclude as well. Thanks

 

[Sillybilly]

Oh, this is so totally OT but thought we needed something light and fuzzy right now ... This morning I found someone's little shopping list that had blown into my driveway. Here it is (I'm guessing KS = kingsize). Be sure to read down to the last 2:

Mr. Big KS
Reeses KS
Glosettes
Smarties
Oh Henrys KS
Muskateers
M&Ms Yellow
Apple
Primetime Grape

Ya think they are going by the old adage "An apple a day keeps the doctor away"? :floorlaugh:

 

[LoisLane]

Oh, this is so totally OT but thought we needed something light and fuzzy right now ... This morning I found someone's little shopping list that had blown into my driveway. Here it is (I'm guessing KS = kingsize). Be sure to read down to the last 2:

Mr. Big KS
Reeses KS
Glosettes
Smarties
Oh Henrys KS
Muskateers
M&Ms Yellow
Apple
Primetime Grape

Ya think they are going by the old adage "An apple a day keeps the doctor away"? :floorlaugh:

Haha! That is quite the sugar load. Unless it is code for narcotics

 

[Sillybilly]

Haha! That is quite the sugar load. Unless it is code for narcotics

Sure, negate my short-lived levity and put me back into crime sleuthing mode why don't ya?