Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[Sillybilly]

from:
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

“My sister is a very outgoing, very social girl," explains Erin. She very much enjoys spending time with friends. Even the previous weekend, when she was in Edmonton, there are so many people that I’ve told who’ve said they were hanging out with her.”

<bbm>

I wonder if the previous weekend referred to was Nov 22/23. IOW, was Shannon in Edmonton from then until returning to Calgary the evening of Nov 26?

 

[deugirtni]

Verrrrry interesting.

Anyway, I just listened to the presser again and it said (in a nutshell) .. missed event (Stage West) with bro, Brett, then their dad called sister Erin on Monday to ask if she had spoken with her at all, which she hadn't, and then started trying to phone SB, and then called JB on Monday, and 'when they didn't hear back AND when he returned home that evening and she wasn't there, that is when they became concerned and called police.

So it definitely DOES sound like Josh didn't return that call, and who knows whether he even did so when he returned home (presumably after work?) that evening... because by then, the family could have very well been frantic that NEITHER of them were returning calls, and for all we know, they may have gone to their shared home to look in the windows, knock on the door, and wait for them? Who knows when or if JB would have returned that call? Perhaps he did so when he got home, but.. he also may not have.

<rsbm>

If my browsing on cupid yesterday is any indication, it would seem that someone either had Friday afternoon off work, or if at work, is somehow able to access dating sites from work (whether by PC or smartphone, etc). If by smartphone, for sure ... why not return calls from work about a missing family member?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Re hands in pockets .. in that same presser, the person I think is SMB's bro also has his hands in his pockets (sans hooked thumbs )

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2862834.141782995...riginal_300/shannon-madill-burgess-family.jpg

Ah yes, indeed he is. Hhhmmm, I don't trust the brother now...Kidding. But sans thumbs, well that changes everything!

 

[evafiore]

from:
http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

<bbm>

I wonder if the previous weekend referred to was Nov 22/23. IOW, was Shannon in Edmonton from then until returning to Calgary the evening of Nov 26?

That would be interesting to know. As a side note, in my twenties, I would sometimes travel 2-3 hours a day, one way, just to get to and from home from work. If I were to have some secure way to avoid this, I would have taken it in a second. I did try to plan my travels but car problems are impossible to predict.

Alternately, to this debate of "sharing" a home...I technically share a home somewhere in Canada but spend most of my time (months at a time) overseas. Don't find it out of the question that JB wasn't there for a few days.

 

[deugirtni]

For some reason, I had always *assumed* that SB had been in Edmonton for longer than just that day. But this is a good point. If she was making that a roundtrip all in one day, then she very well could have left her vehicle at home after discovering her brakes went for a shat. I had always thought that she was already in Edmonton when she made that comment.

When I think about it, I dont' think I have really ever seen anything which specifically said that she had been in Edmonton on the Tuesday. I think it *was* said that she had been in Edmonton on the weekend just prior to her disappearance. It was probably that which led me to believe she was still in edmonton for the rest of the week, because to me, why bother coming home after the weekend if you're going to have to go back again on the Wednesday morning. But who knows, everyone is different and perhaps she didn't mind driving all those hours in one day, on top of whatever else she had to do there that day. (I would mind).

So if she WAS at home on the Tuesday night, it would be interesting to know how she did get to Edmonton on the Wednesday morning, and how she got back home.

Or.. did she, like SB suggests below, drive to Edm the night before, and discover while in transit that the brakes were going. (Wonder if they just suddenly 'went'?)

I don't think we really know whether she was in Calgary or Edmonton the day before her scheduled appointment. Did she leave for Edmonton a day prior to the appointment and discover enroute that her brakes were hooped? Still so much we don't know.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

<rsbm>

If my browsing on cupid yesterday is any indication, it would seem that someone either had Friday afternoon off work, or if at work, is somehow able to access dating sites from work (whether by PC or smartphone, etc). If by smartphone, for sure ... why not return calls from work about a missing family member?

Exactly! I was thinking that as I read a couple posts about JB maybe being too busy at work and not able to use or answer a phone.

It's too easy nowadays to phone or text people, especially if one has time to browse a dating site. I just have a bad feeling about this guy I wish I could shake and not sound so harsh about him, but something's just not right&#8230;..

 

[Lalalacasbah]

*Could* imply. Could also be that she had to take a bus and could not have predicted this when she planned to attended the event. Possibilities that cannot be ruled out.

Hard to say about a bus&#8230;definitely a possibility but I remember city to city (not local) bus rides usually take 3 times as long as driving in a car sometimes. Like a usual one hour car ride to a city usually takes 2.5-3 hours on a bus. I wonder if this is the same for a Calgary to Edmonton trip. Actually I'll check and add an ETA in a bit!

ETA - added screenshot for a Thursday. Anywhere from 3+ hours to 5 hour trip, yuck.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm suggesting that she didn't drive the car to Edmonton in the first place.

Scenario: ***** brakes, evening before she has to drive to Edmonton.
Takes the bus or has someone drive her to Edmonton.
Gets home later than anticipated and can't make the event she wanted to attend.

I'm veering towards getting a ride with someone as opposed to a really long bus ride maybe. I wonder who, other than JB would've driven her?

 

[deugirtni]

Nobody in her family obviously ;/ Would have to be someone without a regular day job. Unless they took time off to do this for her. I wonder if someone else was also going to Edm for audition on same day and back again, otherwise, that seems like a LOT to ask a friend to do for you.

I'm veering towards getting a ride with someone as opposed to a really long bus ride maybe. I wonder who, other than JB would've driven her?

 

[deugirtni]

It seems to me that after listening again, they kind of ARE saying that he didn't respond. Transcribed from the family pesser, BBM:

"We became concerned when my father called me on Monday, ah, she didn't actually show up to an evening with my younger brother, Brett, she was supposed to go to Stage West with him and he, ah, they actually made that plan on the tuesday and so it was a quite uh, a very recent plan, and so when my father called me to ask me if I had spoken to her, I hadn't, that's when I started calling her and I actually contacted Josh at that point in time, and when we hadn't heard back and Josh returned home that night and she wasn't there, that's when we became concerned and called police. It wasn't until Monday night that we knew she had missed a whole bunch of other appointments over the weekend as well."

But they didn't specifically say that he didn't respond immediately---he may have said that he has to go there and check in. I'm sorry Otto, it seems that you have the best of intentions but a lot of your conclusions seem to be based on assumptions, not substantiation. I don't doubt that JB could be guilty, but I'm not going to follow that avenue and cancel out everything else at risk of injustice to SB.

 

[deugirtni]

The reason she returned late could have also been that she had to rely on someone else to get her home, in the event she had only gone to Edmonton that same day and wasn't already there the evening before when she posted about her brakes?

The car was at her home, so someone drove the car from Edmonton to Calgary. She could not have driven home at speeds of 140km/hr without brakes, so doesn't it seem like she had to have them repaired before driving home? Wouldn't that be the reason that she returned late?

 

[deugirtni]

I don't think SB committed suicide at all, imho, but I would think that even if she did, she would have been found by now.

I also don't think, imho, that she disappeared by choice. For one thing, that FB post that she reposted from somewhere else on November 8th, although it says "We're adults & busy No reason to be in constant contact with you to prove my friendship to you.", it also says (BBM), "Just know when/if you need me, I'm here." We know that she hasn't 'been there' for her family who have publicly pleaded for her to contact them, and yet nothing, not even over the holidays which are generally for most in our country, a time of family and home and back to one's roots.

Although there is no indication of foul play, the fact that Shannon fell of the face of the earth in itself suggest that something is amiss. Would she commit suicide after a weekend in Edmonton where she got the part? ... where her career had just taken a jump forward? ... where reportedly she saw many friends and was happy? when she had plans for the evening and seemed to regret that she couldn't make those plans? ... where she had plans to go out with her brother on the weekend? What could possibly have happened that she would want to kill herself? If she was suicidal, wouldn't she drive home at 140 km/hr with no brakes? Did she have her brakes fixed in order to ensure that she would survive the trip, or did she drive home without brakes?

If she had the brakes fixed, she was not suicidal, so her disappearance would be something that was not her choice.

 

[LoisLane]

FWIW... Shannon's sister had posted on FB (Dec.3) that Shannon was last seen in Calgary. She specifically said Shannon was last seen in Calgary and NOT Edmonton.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

But they didn't specifically say that he didn't respond immediately---he may have said that he has to go there and check in. I'm sorry Otto, it seems that you have the best of intentions but a lot of your conclusions seem to be based on assumptions, not substantiation. I don't doubt that JB could be guilty, but I'm not going to follow that avenue and cancel out everything else at risk of injustice to SB.

Yes... I got the impression they talked, and he said he would let them know if she was there when he got home.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

It seems to me that after listening again, they kind of ARE saying that he didn't respond. Transcribed from the family pesser, BBM:

She says "contacted Josh", not tried to reach... the "hadn't heard back" reads, to me, like she's referring to SB.

 

[LoisLane]

I'm veering towards getting a ride with someone as opposed to a really long bus ride maybe. I wonder who, other than JB would've driven her?

I was thinking she could have driven home in her car and the brakes were acting up and once she got home she ranted on FB. I wonder if she had a chance to schedule a maintenance at a mechanics.

 

[Montjoy]

I think the whole brakes issue is just a red herring. Her brakes may well have been fine, but there might have been some other issue with the car (or its driver) that made her think that there was a problem.

This isn't an episode of Colombo or Murder She Wrote, and the brakes of her car had nothing to do with her disappearance. At this point, the brakes seem to be mentioned as an opportunity to point blame at some other person. But it really seems baseless to me.

Moreover, so far as I'm aware, there have been no suspects or POIs named thus far, nor has LE stated that they believe that there is foul play. So I am doubly reluctant to read anything into SB's belief that her brakes were not working properly.

 

[evafiore]

It seems to me that after listening again, they kind of ARE saying that he didn't respond. Transcribed from the family pesser, BBM:

It's very unclear, unfortunately, and we can interpret a few possibilities. However, the manner of his response and what he said seems to be acceptable to the family and LE (as far as we know, there could be something happening behind the scenes).

 

[otto]

Regarding the brakes, wasn't there a message from Shannon late Wed. evening where she and friends were going to go home and she discovered that her brakes failed - so they took a cab ... something like that? Wasn't there also some suggestion that she was in Edmonton on the weekend prior to her disappearance? I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty sure that was discussed over the last few months.

deugirtni: "Also, the thing about the brakes on her car was posted around midnight the previous night.. at around 2am on the early Wed morning.. and then as mentioned, she posted about arriving 'back in Calgary' too late, at 9:15pm on the Wednesday.. so.. I wonder by which mode of transportation she left Calgary and arrived back in Calgary between those 2 posts."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Calgary-26-Nov-2014-aspiring-actress-comic-2

LoisLane: "Her facebook account states that her brakes on her car were not working (Nov. 25)."

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Calgary-26-Nov-2014-aspiring-actress-comic-1

 

[otto]

At 2AM Wednesday, Shannon discovered that her brakes were not working.

Is it realistic to believe that Shannon was in Calgary at 2AM Wed with damaged brakes, that she left for Edmonton a few hours later on Wednesday morning, arrived three hours later, saw lots of friends in Edmonton (per press conference), auditioned, drove three hours back to Calgary, and then vanished after 12:30AM - less than 24 hours later? That doesn't seem realistic. Additionally, my understanding is that she parked the car when the brakes didn't work ... so how did her car get home?

Given the timeline, and the fact that Shannon reportedly spent time with lots of friends in Edmonton, Shannon was most likely in Edmonton when the brakes failed. She couldn't drive home without having the brakes repaired, and that delay probably resulted in her missing the event at Yuk Yuks.