Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[Sillybilly]

Don't we know that she drove something to Edmonton simply because she had problems with her brakes?

I don't think we really know whether she was in Calgary or Edmonton the day before her scheduled appointment. Did she leave for Edmonton a day prior to the appointment and discover enroute that her brakes were hooped? Still so much we don't know.

 

[Sillybilly]

... and he didn't respond to her until after he returned home from work on Monday evening? Immediately after Erin spoke with Shannon's husband, she contacted police. Clearly something he said caused a huge concern for Erin and her family, and clearly Shannon's husband was not concerned enough to contact Shannon's family or the police.

I have to wonder ... if Erin had not contacted police, would Shannon's husband still be acting as though nothing was wrong?

<rsbm>

If my browsing on cupid yesterday is any indication, it would seem that someone either had Friday afternoon off work, or if at work, is somehow able to access dating sites from work (whether by PC or smartphone, etc). If by smartphone, for sure ... why not return calls from work about a missing family member?

 

[evafiore]

<rsbm>

If my browsing on cupid yesterday is any indication, it would seem that someone either had Friday afternoon off work, or if at work, is somehow able to access dating sites from work (whether by PC or smartphone, etc). If by smartphone, for sure ... why not return calls from work about a missing family member?

Which goes back to the possibility that he had not been at the "shared home" between 12:30am on the 27th and Monday after work. If he had been, I would surely hope (and think that it's highly likely) that LE and the family would be questioning his failure to report her missing.

 

[evafiore]

It seems to me that anyone that would drive 300km without brakes on a road where other vehicles are traveling at speeds of 100-160km/hr would have to be completely suicidal. That, in itself, would be a situation of toying with death via horrific vehicle accident. If Shannon were prepared to accept that situation, whether she were driving or a passenger, then she wouldn't have been late for the appointment at Yuk Yuks ... that is, she would have cast caution to the wind and either died in an horrific car crash, or arrived in Calgary in time for the show. Doesn't the fact that she was late suggest that the brake problem was the cause of the delay ... and imply that she wasn't suicidal?

*Could* imply. Could also be that she had to take a bus and could not have predicted this when she planned to attended the event. Possibilities that cannot be ruled out.

 

[Sillybilly]

Which goes back to the possibility that he had not been at the "shared home" between 12:30am on the 27th and Monday after work. If he had been, I would surely hope (and think that it's highly likely) that LE and the family would be questioning his failure to report her missing.

Not sure what you mean. I was specifically referring to yesterday .. not the Friday to Monday time period following SB's disappearance. I don't see how accessing the internet yesterday has any relationship to whether the person was at home/work or otherwise in the days immediately following SB having "left".

Just because we don't know whether family or LE are questioning doesn't mean they aren't.

ETA: Yes, I don't think my post was really clear. All I was getting at is if the person was at work yesterday when accessing the internet, then why were they not able to access their phone when the family was trying to contact them. Clear as mud??

 

[evafiore]

Not sure what you mean. I was specifically referring to yesterday .. not the Friday to Monday time period following SB's disappearance. I don't see how accessing the internet yesterday has any relationship to whether the person was at home/work or otherwise after SB "left".

Just because we don't know whether family or LE are questioning doesn't mean they aren't.

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. We don't know that he didn't reply immediately on Monday. Could have said something along the lines of "don't know, will check after work"?

And yes, fully agree that they may be questioning it.

 

[otto]

One more question, hope you don't mind, catching up is hard. Was the husband not really home during those 5 days and was it normal for him not to touch base for long periods of time?

How could the husband not be home from Thursday to Monday, yet he was home on Thursday at 12:30AM, and he was home after work on Monday?

I would like to hear from people the husband worked with about how he was acting during the day when Erin was frantically phoning about her missing sister. I wonder why he didn't simply answer her calls on Monday and tell her that everything was fine ... her phone and car were at home and he hadn't see her since she returned from Edmonton. If he thought everything was fine, why did he wait until he got home from work to ease the family's concerns? Wouldn't the kindest act be to ease the fear and concern of his wife's family the minute they expressed concern? Is he an unkind person? Did he not take their concerns seriously?

 

[otto]

*Could* imply. Could also be that she had to take a bus and could not have predicted this when she planned to attended the event. Possibilities that cannot be ruled out.

If returned from Edmonton by bus, how did her car - the one with brake problems - get home?

 

[otto]

Which goes back to the possibility that he had not been at the "shared home" between 12:30am on the 27th and Monday after work. If he had been, I would surely hope (and think that it's highly likely) that LE and the family would be questioning his failure to report her missing.

The couple shared a home. That much we know. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that they shared a home, but at the moment that she disappears from the face of the earth, he would suddenly be living elsewhere? That would be a weird coincidence. I suppose the dog had to fend for itself during those five days ... a rather cruel act in itself.

Did the husband arrive home on Monday evening and immediately call the family to report that the dog had clearly been uncared for, or did he simply act as though everything was normal?

I am questioning why he did not contact anyone about the fact that Shannon had vanished, so I'm sure the family is wondering why her husband wouldn't notice that she was missing. It's obvious in the press conference that Erin doesn't understand why the husband waited until he finished work to respond to her concerns about her sister. Clearly the people that truly cared about her were so concerned that they contacted police ... yet the husband could finish his workday and not care at all.

 

[evafiore]

If returned from Edmonton by bus, how did her car - the one with brake problems - get home?

I'm suggesting that she didn't drive the car to Edmonton in the first place.

Scenario: ***** brakes, evening before she has to drive to Edmonton.
Takes the bus or has someone drive her to Edmonton.
Gets home later than anticipated and can't make the event she wanted to attend.

 

[evafiore]

How could the husband not be home from Thursday to Monday, yet he was home on Thursday at 12:30AM, and he was home after work on Monday?

I would like to hear from people the husband worked with about how he was acting during the day when Erin was frantically phoning about her missing sister. I wonder why he didn't simply answer her calls on Monday and tell her that everything was fine ... her phone and car were at home and he hadn't see her since she returned from Edmonton. If he thought everything was fine, why did he wait until he got home from work to ease the family's concerns? Wouldn't the kindest act be to ease the fear and concern of his wife's family the minute they expressed concern? Is he an unkind person? Did he not take their concerns seriously?

I don't think it's wise to rule out that he hadn't been home because it is very possible. However, I agree that if he had been home in that time, his behaviour (i.e., not reporting) would be questionable and unkind.

 

[evafiore]

The couple shared a home. That much we know. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that they shared a home, but at the moment that she disappears from the face of the earth, he would suddenly be living elsewhere? That would be a weird coincidence. I suppose the dog had to fend for itself during those five days ... a rather cruel act in itself.

Did the husband arrive home on Monday evening and immediately call the family to report that the dog had clearly been uncared for, or did he simply act as though everything was normal?

I am questioning why he did not contact anyone about the fact that Shannon had vanished, so I'm sure the family is wondering why her husband wouldn't notice that she was missing. It's obvious in the press conference that Erin doesn't understand why the husband waited until he finished work to respond to her concerns about her sister. Clearly the people that truly cared about her were so concerned that they contacted police ... yet the husband could finish his workday and not care at all.

How, specifically, do you see that is it clear to Erin that she doesn't understand why the husband waited?

 

[otto]

<rsbm>

If my browsing on cupid yesterday is any indication, it would seem that someone either had Friday afternoon off work, or if at work, is somehow able to access dating sites from work (whether by PC or smartphone, etc). If by smartphone, for sure ... why not return calls from work about a missing family member?

A lot of people have second or third Friday's off work. If would be possible to remove a body from the townhouse, without being seen, via the backyard door in the dark of night.

 

[otto]

How, specifically, do you see that is it clear to Erin that she doesn't understand why the husband waited?

That would be in the press conference, where it slipped that he waited until he got home from work to respond to her concerns. Why mention it if it isn't something that stands out as unusual? Normally, that point would be as mundane as saying that someone had a drink of water before answering the door.

 

[otto]

I don't think it's wise to rule out that he hadn't been home because it is very possible. However, I agree that if he had been home in that time, his behaviour (i.e., not reporting) would be questionable and unkind.

If we assume that the husband hadn't been home for five days, then the townhouse would have been full of dog poop. If the dog was alive and well, then the husband was home while Shannon was missing ... and he said nothing to anyone about it.

 

[evafiore]

That would be in the press conference, where it slipped that he waited until he got home from work to respond to her concerns. Why mention it if it isn't something that stands out as unusual? Normally, that point would be as mundane as saying that someone had a drink of water before answering the door.

But they didn't specifically say that he didn't respond immediately---he may have said that he has to go there and check in. I'm sorry Otto, it seems that you have the best of intentions but a lot of your conclusions seem to be based on assumptions, not substantiation. I don't doubt that JB could be guilty, but I'm not going to follow that avenue and cancel out everything else at risk of injustice to SB.

 

[evafiore]

If we assume that the husband hadn't been home for five days, then the townhouse would have been full of dog poop. If the dog was alive and well, then the husband was home while Shannon was missing ... and he said nothing to anyone about it.

And back to the dog. We can't assume that the dog was there. And maybe it was, and it was fine, which would suggest that SB had only been gone for 1-2 days. Yet another possibility that I'm not going to rule out (my opinion). Foul play may have been involved, but I'm not going to strictly focus on JB unless I have just reason to. And him being the estranged husband and having a certain look in his eyes is not a certainty for me.

 

[evafiore]

"it's obvious in the press conference that Erin doesn't understand why the husband waited until he finished work to respond to her concerns about her sister."

How, specifically, do you see that is it clear to Erin that she doesn't understand why the husband waited?

Otto? Can you tell me why you think Erin doesn't understand this?

 

[otto]

Otto? Can you tell me why you think Erin is not clear on this?

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[evafiore]

Post # 114

Thought so. That would be an interpretation, and unfortunately not a fact.