Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[evafiore]

So what I'm saying is, while to me this case seems suspicious, there must have been some (or at least, was some) solid reason for the family to believe it was voluntary disappearance, and LE have followed their lead. I don't know what those reasons are, and the family isn't telling.

Couldn't agree more. There's good reason/are good reasons why they don't suspect JB---it would be interesting to know. My guess at one possible reason (yes, I'm repeating myself, but I think this is an important point): it'd be awfully suspicious if he'd stayed in the apartment he had with SB and didn't report anything for 4-5 days. Not so suspicious if he were staying somewhere else and had to go check the home on Monday when her family called him.

 

[evafiore]

We have discussed this awhile back with some mixed opinions IIRC. I share the same thoughts as you pretty much. Call me sentimental, but I think it's a little in bad taste to leave it up...Even if she has disappeared willingly, it seems a bit crass to still want to be on the prowl when you don't know the well being or health of someone you said you love. Again, others might see it as not a big deal!

It would definitely be crass if he had no idea where she went...but if he were to think that she were doing this intentionally, do you think he could be keeping it there out of spite?

 

[Sillybilly]

Where's it coming from that the family believes she voluntarily disappeared? Doesn't sound like that to me, unless peeps are interpreting their lack of public appearances, etc is a complete reversal of their public statement at the presser.

From: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

Family says Shannon Madill Burgess was unlikely to disappear without contacting anyone

“We’re all very optimistic that my sister will be returned to us as soon as possible and very safe,” said Erin Madill. “We’re going to stay optimistic as long as we possibly can.”

“It is unbelievably unlikely for her to disappear and not contact anybody.”

<bbm>

Will be returned? (not will return). IMO, words can't get much stronger than "unbelievably unlikely"

 

[news.talk]

Where's it coming from that the family believes she voluntarily disappeared? Doesn't sound like that to me, unless peeps are interpreting their lack of public appearances, etc is a complete reversal of their public statement at the presser.

From: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/family-sa...disappear-without-contacting-anyone-1.2134851

<bbm>

Will be returned? (not will return). IMO, words can't get much stronger than "unbelievably unlikely"

I agree silly. If I can add... If we look at other pressers, they tend to be somewhat generic and non-leading. Detectives go over the statements prior to the dissemination of any information. They want to make sure that nothing will be misleading while still being helpful. Occasionally, they put out misinformation - It is not a common technique but it can be valuable.

Take the Liknes-O'Brien presser... I personally have no doubt that LE were confident that they were dealing with at least one homicide, yet the public was not privy to the detail that there was a bloody crime scene. While JO knew something violent occured, she and other family members spoke as if they were simply missing. Many critical details were withheld - both by LE and the family. Bottom line... I don't take pressers at face value.

 

[Sillybilly]

Occasionally, they put out misinformation - It is not a common technique but it can be valuable.

<rsbm>

Misinformation is a mistake ... disinformation is intentional. And you can bet your boots when the CPS logo is behind the family doing a presser, yes, the family statements are carefully scrutinized if not scripted by LE and most likely BAU trained personnel.

One of my all-time favs was Bobby Cutts, husband of murdered Jessie Davis. LE said Cutts was not a suspect nor even a person of interest. Poor ol' sobbing Bobby is now doing life for the murder of Jessie Davis and her unborn child.

 

[Sillybilly]

Was interesting to spend a bit of time browsing the cupid site on a lazy Friday afternoon, ya know .. just seeing who else is online.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I'm sure they would remember her also.. if only for her attractiveness and looking like she didn't belong. I would surely hope that LE checked that possibility out.. but I guess we don't know anything really.

Yeah, it's weird because with the Emma Fillipoff case where mental health, willingly disappearing or foul play are all possible - Emma's mother was out there like crazy canvassing the street people and their hangouts in Victoria and Vancouver's downtown Lower East Side. Regardless of the theory with Emma, Emma's mom was out there feet on the pavement trying to find which of the 3 theories it could be.

Yet Shannon's case is so quiet compared to that and they have kind of similar, possible scenarios (mental health vs willingly leaving vs foul play). It seems no one has reached out to the homeless community to search that we're aware of anyways...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It would definitely be crass if he had no idea where she went...but if he were to think that she were doing this intentionally, do you think he could be keeping it there out of spite?

Good point, could be JB being spiteful.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Was interesting to spend a bit of time browsing the cupid site on a lazy Friday afternoon, ya know .. just seeing who else is online.

Haha! I bet you saw LOTS of cupids out there

 

[otto]

I understand what you're saying, but if LE were convinced it was a criminal case, wouldn't they have launched a criminal investigation and gathered evidence from the home and the car? I don't think it's possible for them to do that secretly, they have to get a warrant.

What I'm saying is that LE doesn't investigate every disappearance as a crime, but they will investigate if the family is convinced it was a crime. In this case, the family seems to have been convinced it was a voluntary disappearance. I don't believe LE could tell family members to follow a script at a news conference and pretend to believe she's still out there, when they were deeply suspicious that she's not.

In the case of Tim Bosma, within a couple of hours of his leaving his wife reported it to police and it was immediately treated as a criminal case. They didn't hold a press conference where she told him he didn't have to come home but at least let me know you're alright. The family was convinced it must have been a kidnapping, and the investigation followed that scenario.

In another case, a Calgary man went missing, he was known to be a hiker, so they put out the word about his car and it was found at a Banff trailhead. Because his friends reported he might have gone base-jumping, police didn't investigate any further, by, for example, searching his car for signs of blood, inventorying his home to figure out what he was last seen wearing. He has never been found, but they aren't treating it as a criminal case because the family is convinced he died in an accident.

So what I'm saying is, while to me this case seems suspicious, there must have been some (or at least, was some) solid reason for the family to believe it was voluntary disappearance, and LE have followed their lead. I don't know what those reasons are, and the family isn't telling.

Police need probable cause to enter someone's home or car to gather evidence. It makes sense that police started gathering evidence as soon as Shannon was reported missing. Police held a press conference to ask the public for more information about Shannon.

The family has not said that Shannon voluntarily disappeared. They have reported that Shannon is missing and it is not in her character to be missing. They cannot think of any reason for her to be missing.

Ryan Lane went missing one day. He simply vanished. Months later, his remains were found scattered in a field NW of Calgary. Arrests have been made. Police continue to investigate missing persons regardless of what the newspapers publish.

 

[otto]

Couldn't agree more. There's good reason/are good reasons why they don't suspect JB---it would be interesting to know. My guess at one possible reason (yes, I'm repeating myself, but I think this is an important point): it'd be awfully suspicious if he'd stayed in the apartment he had with SB and didn't report anything for 4-5 days. Not so suspicious if he were staying somewhere else and had to go check the home on Monday when her family called him.

How do we know that police don't suspect Shannon's husband of having some involvement in her disappearance? Estranged couples don't always report a missing spouse, and the usual reason is because the living spouse murdered the missing spouse.

Example: husband did not report spouse missing at any time, hid body in house and continued to live at home with young children for two years until police obtained search warrant: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/remain...n-missing-two-years-husband-charged-1.2136108

 

[tarabull]

FWIW...

...Her cellphone and vehicle have been turned over to police and her family has been co-operative with the case, Baker said.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

 

[Leischa]

She could've gone to Toronto or Vancouver by bus or rode with somebody else. But I think she would've been seen by now, unless she did something horrible and wanted to remain in hiding. (Wow, where did that come from?! I guess I'm tired and should go to bed instead of letting my mind run wild!)

 

[otto]

Something in her sister's eyes/mind suggests to me that she knows that her sister is not coming back.

Why would she think that?

Shannon was last seen on Nov 26, presumably in Edmonton after the audition. She had brake trouble in Edmonton, and presumably that is why she returned home too late to attend the show at Yuk Yuks Comedy Club.

Her car is at home, but what happened between last seen by friends in Edmonton and home? The only person that admits seeing her after Nov 26 in Edmonton seems to be her husband. Thanks Sillybilly ... I hadn't thought of it like that before. He claims that she came home, he saw her at 12:30AM Nov 27 ... per the theory put forth by deugirtni a couple of days ago ... Shannon texted from Edmonton to say she would be arriving late from Edmonton. She couldn't have driven 180 miles/300 km without brakes, so they were fixed in Edmonton. I wondered early on whether she put the brake repair on marital credit cards, and that didn't sit well with him ... so things went sideways fast after she came home.

Dec 1, Shannon was reported missing by her sister. Her sister had to wait until the husband arrived home from work Monday before he would respond to her frantic calls about Shannon's whereabouts. Immediately after speaking with the absent-minded husband (he lost his wife and didn't even know she was missing), Shannon's sister called police.

Does she look like she is expecting her sister to walk through the door ... ever again?
Aside from seeming to know that she'll never see her sister alive again, she knows that the last person Shannon was alive with is her estranged husband.

Screenshot: http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

 

[otto]

The family during the Plea for the Safe Return of Shannon Madill; nee Burgess.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Something in her sister's eyes/mind suggests to me that she knows that her sister is not coming back.

Why would she think that?

Shannon was last seen on Nov 26, presumably in Edmonton after the audition. She had brake trouble in Edmonton, and presumably that is why she returned home too late to attend the show at Yuk Yuks Comedy Club.

Her car is at home, but what happened between last seen by friends in Edmonton and home? The only person that admits seeing her after Nov 26 in Edmonton seems to be her husband. Thanks Sillybilly ... I hadn't thought of it like that before. He claims that she came home, he saw her at 12:30AM Nov 27 ... per the theory put forth by deugirtni a couple of days ago ... Shannon texted from Edmonton to say she would be arriving late from Edmonton. She couldn't have driven 180 miles/300 km without brakes, so they were fixed in Edmonton. I wondered early on whether she put the brake repair on marital credit cards, and that didn't sit well with him ... so things went sideways fast after she came home.

Dec 1, Shannon was reported missing by her sister. Her sister had to wait until the husband arrived home from work Monday before he would respond to her frantic calls about Shannon's whereabouts. Immediately after speaking with the absent-minded husband (he lost his wife and didn't even know she was missing), Shannon's sister called police.

Does she look like she is expecting her sister to walk through the door ... ever again?
Aside from seeming to know that she'll never see her sister alive again, she knows that the last person Shannon was alive with is her estranged husband.

Screenshot: http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/police-search-for-calgary-woman-who-disappeared-a-week-ago

I agree partly otto - her sister looks extremely worried, stressed and her eyes look concerned and sad.

But she also just went vacationing in the Bahamas in Jan 2015 and some of her comments I've seen on her BF's FB sounds quite light hearted, funny and optimistic. This might be her trying to 'keep on carrying on normally' as it was probably nice to get away from the stress in Calgary.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words, which is apparently quite true!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In regards to the OKCupid site. I've had friends go on POF, LavaLife (is that even still around?) and other dating sites, and the few gals I've known that have done it almost get addicted to the sites. Also, they themselves and a lot of the guys are not just on the one site but ALL sites and juggling multiple potential mates at a time. I've heard one good story and happy outcome for the 20 bad stories (one friend is in a long term relationship with a fella she met online, another gal got stood up and lied to multiple times by some deceitful prospects, so it's a coin toss! Such is life!)

Curious if JB or SB are on any other sites that anyone found. Can't remember if anyone found them on others other than SB's erotic profile? And I'm wondering if maybe one of them got addicted to prowling and socializing on these sites.

Maybe one of them was paying too much attention to an online friend. Being in an open relationship seems to me about sex only, but what if one of them got 'emotionally' attached or addicted personally to a love interest, then that might create some jealousy as it's different than a non-meaningful sexual hook-up.

 

[otto]

Shannon ... still missing.
Last seen by husband at home Nov 27 12:30AM and immediately after Shannon returned from Edmonton
Shannon was not seen by anyone else after leaving Edmonton late on Nov 26 ... when you think about it. Maybe she left Edmonton around 8:30-9PM? Is there any factual information about the time that Shannon left Edmonton?

Husband did not report Shannon missing even though Shannon was not seen, and her phone and car were at home for five days throughout the weekend. Still, he did not report her missing. By the sounds of it, Shannon's family tried to contact the husband during the day on Monday, Dec 1, and were unable to connect with him until he had arrived home after work on Monday.

What if we learned that Shannon texted friends from Edmonton at about 8:30PM (guessing about the time) that she could not make Yuk Yuks because she was still waiting for the brakes to be fixed in Edmonton? What if she returned home just before midnight? What if her husband asked her how she paid for the brake repair and the cost was put on shared debt? The husband has a steady job and was most likely paying all the bills. Shannon was in Edmonton Auditioning for a Competition. She was cast for the part, but the following week, when shoots were set, she was missing ... apparently last seen in Edmonton late on Nov 26, and "last seen" by her husband after arriving in Calgary.

According to the husband, Shannon arrived home from Edmonton, and then apparently went out at 12:30AM or he left at 12:30AM, and she has not been seen alive by anyone else after leaving friends in Edmonton three hours prior to arriving in Calgary. When did she arrive in Calgary ... when did she leave Edmonton?

How long was Shannon in Calgary before she apparently went out (without her car or phone), or the husband left to parts unknown, at 12:30AM?

These are the eyes of the sibling of a missing sibling that first fears, and then has been confirmed, deceased.

 

[mayelf]

Does anyone else find it bizarre that JB has not deactivated his OkC profile? Why would he choose to keep it active? Is it an effort to show that he has nothing to hide, or is he really still on the market after his wife has disappeared (which, to me, exceeds all definitions of poor taste)? Does he think she's chosen to disappear? Is it part of the investigation?

Sorry I haven't caught up all the way yet, but I thought they were going through a messy divorce?

It's going to take me forever to catch up on this one.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

These eyes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw8nXCx5qgo

Sorry, needed some comic relief around here. Hope I don't get lashings!