Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[deugirtni]

I have to admit that *eye* would be surprised if she went knocking on her parents' or anyone else's door looking for a place to stay.

Safe words are for pretenders.

My issue was with the word "trolling". Again, I am loathe to defend anyone, but it is plausible he is the victim of a "vibrant", "social butterfly" that lives the lifestyle.

One can live "off the grid" for quite some time in the bigger cities if you're young, attractive, and work for cash.

Just as unsurprising as it would be for her remains to be found just outside of town, it would also be unsurprising if she suddenly knocked on her family's door next week looking for a place to stay.

 

[news.talk]

I guess this really has nothing at all to do with your post, but I find it incredible, the transformation that took place in SB's husband in what seems to be a short period of time. IF her husband is who she is referring to in her Reddit post.. it seems that JB may be somewhat of a kind of solid, steady type of person.. having had a 5 year relationship.. having stuck it out through perhaps at least some college and university (assuming we have the correct LinkedIn profile), and having what appears to be a normal-ish kind of day-job with the government... perhaps a steady income.. who knows if he was already living there when he met SB.. but perhaps a steady home too? And yet this 'marriage' only lasted half a year approx?

I used to view JB in a different way.. but I guess something(s) along the way changed my mind about him.

Considering they had an 'open marriage' that was 'mostly non monogamous', I don't think SB would need to 'sneak' out of the house for funsies, do you? She wouldnt' need to hide it.. and even moreso since they were reportedly getting divorced.

I wonder if the smooth, steady man just kinda cracked.

His appearance drastically changed over the past year too... He went from scrawny guy with glasses to a beafed-up, bearded hipster. I had to do a double take looking at the presser.

 

[deugirtni]

Sure she can.. but why not share her joy with her 'close-knit' family and her multitude of friends.. why disappear from social media.. why leave her phone and become completely out of touch? Is this man with all the promises asking her to delete all trace of her previous life?

Just when I thought I was down off my man bashing soapbox, they keep pulling me back on...

Does she have to be jilted? Can she not just be tempted to leave Calgary for the promise of love, lifestyle and fun with a perceived manlier man than the other bloke left behind?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I guess this really has nothing at all to do with your post, but I find it incredible, the transformation that took place in SB's husband in what seems to be a short period of time. IF her husband is who she is referring to in her Reddit post.. it seems that JB may be somewhat of a kind of solid, steady type of person.. having had a 5 year relationship.. having stuck it out through perhaps at least some college and university (assuming we have the correct LinkedIn profile), and having what appears to be a normal-ish kind of day-job with the government... perhaps a steady income.. who knows if he was already living there when he met SB.. but perhaps a steady home too? And yet this 'marriage' only lasted half a year approx?

I used to view JB in a different way.. but I guess something(s) along the way changed my mind about him.

Considering they had an 'open marriage' that was 'mostly non monogamous', I don't think SB would need to 'sneak' out of the house for funsies, do you? She wouldnt' need to hide it.. and even moreso since they were reportedly getting divorced.

I wonder if the smooth, steady man just kinda cracked.

What if one was sneaking out to meet their husband's best friend?

What if one were skipping town and skipping out on the rent?

What if the divorce was going to be messy? Why give more ammo for the lawyers to use in court?

There are many, many plausible reasons, again based in reality and real life issues.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Sure she can.. but why not share her joy with her 'close-knit' family and her multitude of friends.. why disappear from social media.. why leave her phone and become completely out of touch? Is this man with all the promises asking her to delete all trace of her previous life?

We don't really know the relationship with the family... especially the recent history. Did they find out about the lifestyle and disapprove? Was some of her income based in the lifestyle? Was she angry or humiliated? Is that what the plea that 'she wasn't in trouble' was all about?

Again... plausibility...

 

[evafiore]

His appearance drastically changed over the past year too... He went from scrawny guy with glasses to a beafed-up, bearded hipster. I had to do a double take looking at the presser.

err...much less than a year. Check out the photos from Aug 2014. Complete turnaround in 3 months-- they do say a break up is a common motivation for an image overhaul.

 

[deugirtni]

As you said, 'get out of my head!'... I had just posted ' I find it incredible, the transformation that took place in SB's husband in what seems to be a short period of time.' That is what I meant.. he is unrecognizable to me. That HAS to have come with a transformation on the inside as well, don't you think? It has been said that once married, the wife is forever trying to get her husband to 'change', while at the same time, the husband is forever trying to get his wife to stay the same as she was BEFORE marriage. I wonder if this transformation came about through suggestions from SB.. I tend to think so. Maybe she didn't like what she created?

His appearance drastically changed over the past year too... He went from scrawny guy with glasses to a beafed-up, bearded hipster. I had to do a double take looking at the presser.

 

[otto]

Well yes, but dont' forget that the words came out of a member of Shannon's family's mouth, as opposed to out of law enforcement wording. The way I read that, if it is even true, because we really can't trust media, imho, to print exactly what the facts are, was that she could be distressed which is why she 'left'.. but that would pretty much have to be according to JB's opinion, since he last saw her, which is another thing to take with a grain of salt, imho. It goes without saying that a person missing in unusual circumstances may be in distress, may even be dead.. the way it was portrayed in the newspaper, it was in the same sentence with the indication of 'messy divorce'. I read between the lines, rightly or wrongly, to think that perhaps it could mean that JB reported some kind of messy divorce type of news, and perhaps is telling LE that could be why she 'left'.. to make it appear that she left on her own accord. Interpretation again.

Isn't the statement "may be in distress" true of all missing people?

This is how Shannon is described by her family: "vibrant young woman ... social butterfly."

If the "messy" factor in divorce doesn't relate to the open marriage (perhaps the husband was in agreement, perhaps not), what made it messy ... the co-op? I doubt that Shannon could qualify for the min. $45k annual income requirement, but her husband could. When did they move in? Was the abrupt marriage a deal to secure the co-op? Was the deal that he would move out after helping her get the co-op?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

As you said, 'get out of my head!'... I had just posted ' I find it incredible, the transformation that took place in SB's husband in what seems to be a short period of time.' That is what I meant.. he is unrecognizable to me. That HAS to have come with a transformation on the inside as well, don't you think? It has been said that once married, the wife is forever trying to get her husband to 'change', while at the same time, the husband is forever trying to get his wife to stay the same as she was BEFORE marriage. I wonder if this transformation came about through suggestions from SB.. I tend to think so. Maybe she didn't like what she created?

Or supplements and a good personal trainer... or working demo every day... or or or...

 

[news.talk]

Isn't the statement "may be in distress" true of all missing people?

This is how Shannon is described by her family: "vibrant young woman ... social butterfly."

If the "messy" factor in divorce doesn't relate to the open marriage (perhaps the husband was in agreement, perhaps not), what made it messy ... the co-op? I doubt that Shannon could qualify for the min. $45k annual income requirement, but her husband could. When did they move in? Was the abrupt marriage a deal to secure the co-op? Was the deal that he would move out after helping her get the co-op?

I know housing is tight in Calgary, but a Ramsay townhouse isn't exactly, "high value" or "highly desired" property. Those are pretty average, not so new townhouses.... Not exactly what one would consider worthy of murderous or deceptive intent. JMO.

 

[news.talk]

Or supplements and a good personal trainer... or working demo every day... or or or...

Clearly I am not as well versed in twenty something men like I used to be (keep your comments to yourself) but do they undergo major image and physical changes as rapidly or as often as women do now?

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Isn't the statement "may be in distress" true of all missing people?

This is how Shannon is described by her family: "vibrant young woman ... social butterfly."

If the "messy" factor in divorce doesn't relate to the open marriage (perhaps the husband was in agreement, perhaps not), what made it messy ... the co-op? I doubt that Shannon could qualify for the min. $45k annual income requirement, but her husband could. When did they move in? Was the abrupt marriage a deal to secure the co-op? Was the deal that he would move out after helping her get the co-op?

Perhaps he was the main income earner, had a large savings account, owned the vehicle... and she wanted half and more.

 

[otto]

I know housing is tight in Calgary, but a Ramsay townhouse isn't exactly, "high value" or "highly desired" property. Those are pretty average, not so new townhouses.... Not exactly what one would consider worthy of murderous or deceptive intent. JMO.

I asked whether the co-op was the reason the divorce was "messy".

Regarding prime real estate at a great price ... a two story, two bedroom townhouse with appliances in a trendy area where four bedroom units cost maximum $1041/month? That a hard deal to beat! That's a good reason for a hasty marriage to result in a messy divorce months later.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Clearly I am not as well versed in twenty something men like I used to be (keep your comments to yourself) but do they undergo major image and physical changes as rapidly or as often as women do now?

Perhaps the self realization process takes longer than I expected... ?

 

[news.talk]

I asked whether the co-op was the reason the divorce was "messy".

Regarding prime real estate at a great price ... a two story, two bedroom townhouse with appliances in a trendy area where four bedroom units cost maximum $1041/month? That a hard deal to beat! That's a good reason for a hasty marriage to result in a messy divorce months later.

I don't know Otto... Most twenty something girls don't usually get married to secure a rental. Most twenty something girls don't put that much thought into finances... Especially free spirit thespian types. JMO.

 

[otto]

I don't know Otto... Most twenty something girls don't usually get married to secure a rental. Most twenty something girls don't put that much thought into finances... Especially free spirit thespian types. JMO.

Are you kidding? Women don't marry with an eye on cleaning out someone's pockets? I've known many women that married for money and then took their husbands to the cleaners. In fact, it's so common, there's a saying about it.

Girls from working class families with a thirst for the stage probably have their eyes on cheap accommodation as soon as they leave home. If all it took was a staged, open-marriage of convenience to a fellow "thespian" for a few months, with a quick divorce to secure long term access into a 2 bedroom co-op townhouse in a great area for $800 a month ... was that the plan? What was specified in the "messy divorce" as the issue ... what is contested. They don't have children. They don't own property. The marriage was short. What could they have disagreed on if it wasn't the co-op? I doubt lawyers take divorce cases where the only dispute is the dog. If what should be simple was in fact messy, something big was at stake.

 

[news.talk]

Are you kidding? Women don't marry with an eye on cleaning out someone's pockets? I've known many women that married for money and then took their husbands to the cleaners. In fact, it's so common, there's a saying about it.

Girls from working class families with a thirst for the stage probably have their eyes on cheap accommodation as soon as they leave home. If all it took was a staged, open-marriage of convenience to a fellow "thespian" for a few months, with a quick divorce to secure long term access into a 2 bedroom townhouse in a great area for $800 a month ... was that the plan? What was specified in the "messy divorce" as the issue ... what is contested. They don't have children. They don't own property. The marriage was short. What could they have disagreed on if it wasn't the co-op? Lawyer don't take divorce cases where the only dispute is about a dog. If what should be simple was in fact messy, something big was at stake.

It is a rental. It's not like she can stay there by herself as a single, as her income would not meet criteria. In my experience, gold diggers tend to go for men with money... not a guy with a lower-median salary and a rental co-op.

 

[otto]

It is a rental. It's not like she can stay there by herself as a single, as her income would not meet criteria. In my experience, gold diggers tend to go for men with money... not a guy with a lower-median salary and a rental co-op.

Why wouldn't she be able to continue living in the co-op townhouse without him? Maybe she had an opportunity to live in the co-op, but needed more money to make the $45k ... so she hatched a plan? Maybe the marriage was part of ensuring security for the deal. Once someone is in the co-op, perhaps it's hard to get them out. Aren't some Calgarians making $200k/annually living in co-ops like this ... where rent is ridiculously low?

I'm sure she earned enough to live on $400/mo rent plus a roommate ... maybe she decided she didn't like him as a roommate anymore, but he wouldn't move out? Maybe he felt used ... financially ... and it didn't sit well with him. What if the cost for brake replacement in Edmonton was put on a joint credit card ... there's your trigger.

... if the co-op was indeed the issue in the "messy divorce".
I don't think it was the dog ... most likely something to do with money.

 

[news.talk]

Why wouldn't she be able to continue living in the co-op townhouse without him? Maybe she had an opportunity to live in the co-op, but needed more money to make the $45k ... so she hatched a plan? Maybe the marriage was part of ensuring security for the deal. Once someone is in the co-op, perhaps it's hard to get them out. Aren't some Calgarians making $200k/annually living in co-ops like this ... where rent is ridiculously low?

I'm sure she earned enough to live on $400/mo rent plus a roommate ... maybe she decided she didn't like him as a roommate anymore, but he wouldn't move out? Maybe he felt used ... financially ... and it didn't sit well with him. What if the cost for brake replacement in Edmonton was put on a joint credit card ... there's your trigger.

... if the co-op was indeed the issue in the "messy divorce".
I don't think it was the dog ... most likely something to do with money.

Co-op's are based on annual income. They use your tax assessment as proof of income. A divorce would be close to a year, if not more to secure spousal support, *IF* she could even get it given that they have only been married a short time and no children came from the marriage. It would not even show on her tax assessment until after a lease renewal. If he is not actively living there at the time of the renewal, she would not be able to stay there based solely on her income. Judging by his job, he doesn't exactly make much money. She is a beautiful girl and if she is in fact a gold-digger, I am confident that she could have done MUCH better... At least land a guy that owns his home, not just rents.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Co-op's are based on annual income. They use your tax assessment as proof of income. A divorce would be close to a year, if not more to secure spousal support, *IF* she could even get it given that they have only been married a short time and no children came from the marriage. It would not even show on her tax assessment until after a lease renewal. If he is not actively living there at the time of the renewal, she would not be able to stay there based solely on her income. Judging by his job, he doesn't exactly make much money. She is a beautiful girl and if she is in fact a gold-digger, I am confident that she could have done MUCH better... At least land a guy that owns his home, not just rents.

Ouch. Where's that soapbox...