Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

[Leischa]

Considering that SB had not made ANY indication that I have seen, in advance, that she had planned on attending that YY workshop, it seems strange to suddenly regret that she wasnt' able to attend. And also, the smiley face. Was it common or was it EVER done before in any of her other FB posts to put one of those face things in it?? I haven't gone around to look for just that, but I don't recall seeing it before from her? And the kind of 'romantic' type of writing.. in that last post.. has she written like that before that we can see? I haven't noticed anything like that, however, I do believe there is someone else who can tend to write more like that. Kind of playful and cryptic... whereas when SB writes, imho, it is more 'blunt', to the point, non-romantic, etc.

I thought that her writing style had to do with the comment being related of her ''gaming'' life. People get really involved in their characters and they have to impersonate them to make them look genuine. Maybe she would speak like that when she impersonated her character. I could be wrong, but this is how I interpreted it the first time I read it.

Like I said in another post, I used to play World of Warcraft and when you start playing, you can chose to go on a Role Playing realm. I once played there and realized that people really do impersonate their characters. They write in a different style than the others who, just like me, play on regular realms. There is a kind a dramatic side to it. Not really poetic, but things are mostly well written and a bit like you could see in the old days.

From what I read on LARP websites and Facebook pages, they take things very seriously. They design amazing costumes, weapons, shouldn't wear blue jeans and stuff... I assume that they must speak with a speech that fits their character.

And also, remember that she's an actress so she's used to impersonating characters...

I don't know if this makes any sense to you but this is how I see things. But I agree that it also could've been written by somebody else, someone who is used to writing more than SB appeared to be.

 

[news.talk]

Ouch. Where's that soapbox...

You put me there! Just like you to taunt and prod... [emoji8]

 

[news.talk]

I thought that her writing style had to do with the comment being related of her ''gaming'' life. People get really involved in their characters and they have to impersonate them to make them look genuine. Maybe she would speak like that when she impersonated her character. I could be wrong, but this is how I interpreted it the first time I read it.

Like I said in another post, I used to play World of Warcraft and when you start playing, you can chose to go on a Role Playing realm. I once played there and realized that people really do impersonate their characters. They write in a different style than the others who, just like me, play on regular realms. There is a kind a dramatic side to it. Not really poetic, but things are mostly well written and a bit like you could see in the old days.

From what I read on LARP websites and Facebook pages, they take things very seriously. They design amazing costumes, weapons, shouldn't wear blue jeans and stuff... I assume that they must speak with a speech that fits their character.

And also, remember that she's an actress so she's used to impersonating characters...

I don't know if this makes any sense to you but this is how I see things. But I agree that it also could've been written by somebody else, someone who is used to writing more than SB appeared to be.

I can totally see that. I think what was most unusual, was that her last two or three posts were completely unlike any others. It wasn't just the "funzies" post - It was her 'regrets' on the Yuk Yuk's page too. She wasn't what one would consider a prolific writer and spelling bee champion. She rarely ever posted UNTIL the last couple days prior to her disappearance.

Of course without much else to go on, we could be reading more into it than required.

 

[otto]

Co-op's are based on annual income. They use your tax assessment as proof of income. A divorce would be close to a year, if not more to secure spousal support, *IF* she could even get it given that they have only been married a short time and no children came from the marriage. It would not even show on her tax assessment until after a lease renewal. If he is not actively living there at the time of the renewal, she would not be able to stay there based solely on her income. Judging by his job, he doesn't exactly make much money. She is a beautiful girl and if she is in fact a gold-digger, I am confident that she could have done MUCH better... At least land a guy that owns his home, not just rents.

BBM

The minimum to get into the co-op is $45k, and a four bedroom townhouse with appliances, and a yard in a trendy neighbourhood costs at most $1041. That's unheard in the open market.

"Fildebrandt said the $112,000 earner was paying $725 a month for a three-bedroom place in 2012. The person has been there for 12 years." ... “If you’re making between $47,000 and $56,000 a year, you’re not rich but you’re not in need of social housing. I think a lot of people will be surprised at $56,000 you can potentially land yourself social housing,” said Fildebrandt.

.. “It will mean every housing authority from Calgary to Cold Lake and Fort McMurray to Fort Macleod will say: ‘Hmmm. Let’s check and evaluate our strategy here. Maybe we have properties we don’t need.’ ... Griffiths said his department has been working behind the scenes for the last year with the Alberta Social Housing Corp., which owns low-income properties. “I had issued a direction that we were going to re-evaluate and come up with a new real estate strategy and sell off the stuff that isn’t needed or being used properly.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/28/subsidized-housing-northern-alberta/

We don't know that people are evicted from a subsidized housing unit if their income is cut off ... I doubt that is the mandate.

Are successful men interested in artistic, create, vibrant, young, social butterfly, stage performers that have no money? Was she the J. Howard Marshall type? I would say no, so ... which successful men want a poor actress to settle down with?

Did the husband want a more or less unemployed staged open-marriage wife, subsidized housing, or both ... but he'd settle for the subsidized housing unit?

 

[otto]

Was something posted earlier about the open marriage including bi-sexuality?
What are successful men that own homes looking to settle down with?

Perhaps there was a game of "meet me without your phone", and Shannon was intrigued by the game, so she went out in the middle of the night ... perhaps she thought she was going to meet a woman.

These women were seasoned escorts, and one of them left her phone behind to meet this man.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/03/4-years-17-victims-later-police-cant-catch-the-gilgo-beach-killer/

 

[Leischa]

Hmmm.. your post has just sparked a thought... okay try this on for size..

I was thinking.. and my mind is now going wild.. this possible scenario, what do y'all think?:

-who knows when, or even IF she ever returned to her home in Calgary after her trip to Edmonton where she was last verified to have been seen
-Mr.Perp does away with her at some point between when she was last seen in Edmonton, and 9-10pm Nov 26th
-Mr.Perp keeps the phone, and obviously also has access to everything else that she owned, including bank cards/credit cards
-Mr.Perp gets home at 9 or 10pm and drops off in SB's bedroom, her bag that she had, or something.. to prove that she returned home
-Mr.Perp makes a couple of FB posts, and perhaps other private msgs/txts from SB's phone around 9-10pm - a regret at missing something she had never signed up for.. a romantic entry.. responds to any texts/msgs that SB may have had sitting there waiting for a reply..
-Mr.Perp goes to a couple of places and buys something, or gets a cash advance on SB's credit card, or otherwise uses her bank card in person, sometime before texting himself or calling himself
-Mr.Perp takes SB's phone just before 12;30am and texts himself to say 'hmm, think I'm going to take off to Vancouver', or.. 'I'm done here, I'm leaving', or calls himself from her phone to say same thing
-Mr.Perp goes on with life as usual, either living at home, or staying somewhere else.. until finally the family notices her missing and calls him at work on Monday, December 1st to ask if she is at home
-Mr.Perp races home (yes, sarcasm) after work on that day to go to their shared home, where he finds the phone, puts his hands all over it, and lets the family know she isn't home but her phone is still there, and look, see? It says she called me/txtd me just before 12;30am when she told me she was 'leaving'.. which is just before I heard the door slam behind her when she left
-LE are confused, because family is telling them it is highly unlikely she would leave and not be in touch with her family and many friends, and they believe them, however she had told her ex that she was leaving
-Family puts up posters where she supposedly spent money last;
-Family and LE do a press conference to appeal to anyone who may have seen her after 12;30am Nov 27th
-SB's sister reports that even though they were going through a messy divorce, they still got along quite well.. but SB may have been in distress (because Mr.Perp told them that SB told him she was leaving, and look, it can be proven because here is the phone with her final text on it still, and that is just not LIKE her, so she could have been in distress when she left)

(or... change it up so that the card(s) was used sometime AFTER 12;30am instead of before....

I think this could explain everything. But I have a suggestion to add to your theory. What if Mr. Perp texted one of SB's close friend (or sent a FB message) with her phone, saying that she's had a job opportunity (or something...) either in Vancouver or Toronto?

That person could have come forward to the police to tell them about that info.

I think Mr. Perp either sent himself that text message, or sent it to someone else. Either way, the goal is to make everyone look everywhere but at home.

 

[otto]

I think this could explain everything. But I have a suggestion to add to your theory. What if Mr. Perp texted one of SB's close friend (or sent a FB message) with her phone, saying that she's had a job opportunity (or something...) either in Vancouver or Toronto?

That person could have come forward to the police to tell them about that info.

I think Mr. Perp either sent himself that text message, or sent it to someone else. Either way, the goal is to make everyone look everywhere but at home.

Anyone that has reported to police that they received a text from Shannon stating that she was going to another city would have to provide evidence of that text. Since her phone is at home, the timing would be very interesting. Since her car is at home, the circumstances would be very suspicious.

I think it's more likely that police across Canada received tips from helpful people claiming that they saw Shannon in another city. If there was evidence that Shannon was in another city, police would state that she is believed to have travelled to ...

 

[news.talk]

Anyone that has reported to police that they received a text from Shannon stating that she was going to another city would have to provide evidence of that text. Since her phone is at home, the timing would be very interesting. Since her car is at home, the circumstances would be very suspicious.

I think it's more likely that police across Canada received tips from helpful people claiming that they saw Shannon in another city. If there was evidence that Shannon was in another city, police would state that she is believed to have travelled to ...

What we surmised, was that it is possible that a text *could* have been sent from her phone by "someone" else, prior to when JB says he last saw her. Her phone which would likely had a Facebook app, was "left" behind - Anyone in possession of her phone, could post on Facebook as her.

 

[Leischa]

I can totally see that. I think what was most unusual, was that her last two or three posts were completely unlike any others. It wasn't just the "funzies" post - It was her 'regrets' on the Yuk Yuk's page too. She wasn't what one would consider a prolific writer and spelling bee champion. She rarely ever posted UNTIL the last couple days prior to her disappearance.

Of course without much else to go on, we could be reading more into it than required.

True, I forgot to take the YY post into consideration, as well as the fact that she'd posted quite a lot of messages in a short lapse of time compared to her FB habits.

Sorry about that, my memory tends to be similar to that of a goldfish. :doh:

 

[Leischa]

I don't see how their coop rental could come into the equation. I don't buy it.

About the insurance thing, it is true that most people in their twenties don't think about that or don't have enough money to pay for that but there are young people who have life insurances. When I was 20, my father made me subscribe to a life insurance after I bought a ''new'' car (it was old and a piece of shhh... lol). I still have this insurance policy to this day, twelve years later, and believe me, I haven't earned a lot of money over the last years but I kept it you know, just because. I managed to pay for it while struggling financially but it was only a mere 15$ a month... The thing is, if she had an affordable life insurance that she could pay for while not having a steady job, well the insurance money after death isn't going to be much... And I may be wrong but I think that people who kill for insurance money do want the body to be found. I guess they can't declare a person deceased without a body, right?

And about the messy divorce thing, maybe all it meant was that they didn't get along at all anymore. They could've just had trouble dealing with living with each other. Some people find it hard to live with other people and I guess that, when their marriage is falling apart, things can get quite messy at home. Or, let's say that SB had quit her day job in order to focus on her acting/comedian career. She was left to be somewhat dependent on her husband. He paid most bills, groceries, rent, maybe even paid for her headshots, acting classes, etc. and then she said she was leaving him and he didn't take it well at all. This could've lead to ''messy divorce'' or to murder, who knows?

 

[deugirtni]

Couple of things:

i) I was thinking that what otto has been saying about the co-op might carry some weight..... I recalled reading some 'Notes' on one of SB's FB personalities just the other night.. like 2 nights ago.. in the notes, she made a few comments about family members. (In hindsight, I should have saved them). One of them was *something like* one of her brothers had become a teacher, which made him appear successful, even though he was still living at home. It was like she was poking fun at him.

There was something about her moving.. it was years ago, like 2010 I think, and she seemed quite proud that she, unlike her brother, would be living on her own.. and it just made me think that living arrangements away from the nest were important to her. Also, in her FB photos, she took a number of photos showing what I believe to be a motel room she and JB had stayed in, which I believe she perceived as not being too shabby. It makes me think that she does care about living accommodations and having a place that looks nice inside.

I went looking for those 'Notes' tonight because I was going to paste part of them, but I can't find her FB Notes anywhere now, not in either of her accounts. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? If so, can you recall where it was that those notes were seen, and can you go and check to see if they are suddenly now gone, or if I am just blind tonight? Thank you!

ii) In regard to the Toronto/Vancouver thing.. I recall reading into it that it was CPS that thought she may have headed there, rather than that she was necessarily sighted there by someone. It was in the wording. To me, it was more like a tip from someone in Calgary:

"Police in Toronto and Vancouver are joining the search for a missing Alberta woman after Calgary police received information that she may be in one of those cities."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/missing-calgary-woman-may-be-in-toronto-or-vancouver-police-say-1.2147586

 

[news.talk]

Couple of things:

i) I was thinking that what otto has been saying about the co-op might carry some weight..... I recalled reading some 'Notes' on one of SB's FB personalities just the other night.. like 2 nights ago.. in the notes, she made a few comments about family members. (In hindsight, I should have saved them). One of them was *something like* one of her brothers had become a teacher, which made him appear successful, even though he was still living at home. It was like she was poking fun at him.

There was something about her moving.. it was years ago, like 2010 I think, and she seemed quite proud that she, unlike her brother, would be living on her own.. and it just made me think that living arrangements away from the nest were important to her. Also, in her FB photos, she took a number of photos showing what I believe to be a motel room she and JB had stayed in, which I believe she perceived as not being too shabby. It makes me think that she does care about living accommodations and having a place that looks nice inside.

I went looking for those 'Notes' tonight because I was going to paste part of them, but I can't find her FB Notes anywhere now, not in either of her accounts. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? If so, can you recall where it was that those notes were seen, and can you go and check to see if they are suddenly now gone, or if I am just blind tonight? Thank you!

ii) In regard to the Toronto/Vancouver thing.. I recall reading into it that it was CPS that thought she may have headed there, rather than that she was necessarily sighted there by someone. It was in the wording. To me, it was more like a tip from someone in Calgary:

"Police in Toronto and Vancouver are joining the search for a missing Alberta woman after Calgary police received information that she may be in one of those cities."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/missing-calgary-woman-may-be-in-toronto-or-vancouver-police-say-1.2147586

Go to her ABOUT section. Scroll down... way down... to the notes. They are there.

 

[deugirtni]

As I was looking for an article irt CPS asking Toronto/Vancouver police to help them locate SB, I came across another article from 2 years ago about a woman who had also vanished.. left her keys, car, cellphone, and wallet behind.. sounded similar, and in fact it seemed to be in an area nearby to SB. The woman's body was found months later (just over 4 months) in Bow River. It was said that the woman had suffered from depression, but her spirits were fine at the time she went missing.

Below are bits taken from various MSM articles. I hope that just because someone might suffer from depression, LE still investigate if they vanish and are subsequently found deceased?? Seems like that could be an easy 'reason' used in too many cases? Interestingly, it is said that this woman lived with her son, he was the one who last saw her, and then he 'left' for the evening and didn't return until next day when he found her missing. Makes you wonder, you know? Or maybe I'm just becoming way too suspicious. Where is Strathcona community (where this woman lived) in relation to Inglewood Golf Course (where her body was found)?

Sandra Mykytiuk-Evans, 56, was last seen at her family home in the community of Strathcona in southwest Calgary on Dec. 29 around 6 p.m. ....
Literally, it’s like this lady has gone, disappeared off the face of the earth,” he said. ....
Brookwell said Mykytiuk-Evans lives with a family member, who went out for the evening on Dec. 29 and came back the next day at around noon. ....
The family member noticed the 56-year-old woman was gone and made some phone calls to relatives and friends. ....
Brookwell said it’s out of character for Mykytiuk-Evans to be gone. ....
A missing persons poster indicated Mykytiuk-Evans suffered from depression and a back condition “but was in good spirits” and that the disappearance is uncharacteristic behaviour.
She had left behind her wallet, keys, cellphone and vehicle. ....
Police said they do not suspect foul play in the case. ....
The 56-year-old was last seen Dec. 29 and numerous searches involving, family, friends, police and even complete strangers turned up few clues. ....
Mykytiuk-Evans’ body was found by a fisherman in the Bow River near the Inglewood Golf Course on Wednesday afternoon. ....
Police were called to the banks of the river near Inglewood around 12:30 p.m. MT on Wednesday after a fisherman spotted the body. ....
A medical examiner identified the body and informed the family Thursday afternoon. ....
Mykytiuk-Evans was known to suffer from depression. Police say the death is not considered suspicious. ....

I am wondering if we will hear similar words in a few months from now about SB. I really hope if that is the case, LE will investigate it more fully, rather than just fluffing it off to depression or some kind of health issue.

 

[deugirtni]

Still can't see it in either account.. which account are you seeing it in? Did you just check now?

ETA: Nevermind, went back in and now they are there (????)

Go to her ABOUT section. Scroll down... way down... to the notes. They are there.

 

[news.talk]

Still can't see it in either account.. which account are you seeing it in? Did you just check now?

Her main account... Are you on desktop or mobile?

 

[deugirtni]

Maybe my PC needs a reboot.. but now I can only see 2 out of 6 of them... what about you?

Her main account... Are you on desktop or mobile?

 

[news.talk]

Maybe my PC needs a reboot.. but now I can only see 2 out of 6 of them... what about you?

I just checked and all six are there.

ETA: Her spelling and grammar issues are REALLY apparent in the "notes" - Yikes!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

His appearance drastically changed over the past year too... He went from scrawny guy with glasses to a beafed-up, bearded hipster. I had to do a double take looking at the presser.

I've been curious about this as well. Maybe scooping a girl like Shannon boosted his ego and gave him a new confidence. She seems like a supportive, positive type person that might encourage him and he might've gotten inflated. Maybe she gave him some style and cred, kinda like a "first/starter wife" syndrome.

Then maybe once he got some confidence, maybe turned into a bit of a playboy decided he didn't need her anymore so either ended things and she didn't take it well and was in distress or he ended things we here in another unspeakable way.

 

[deugirtni]

I ended up finding them all, but buried amongst her regular posts, and not within the 'Notes' section. Weird. And yes.. atrocious.. but there does seem to be an improvement as she has become older.. first note is 2007 (year years before she vanished, so that would make her 18?)

I just checked and all six are there.

ETA: Her spelling and grammar issues are REALLY apparent in the "notes" - Yikes!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Perhaps he was the main income earner, had a large savings account, owned the vehicle... and she wanted half and more.

I don't get the impression she's a cookie-cutter type wife that wants the stability/the house and picket fence kind of things in life. I don't this is important to her, JMO. She might've liked having someone to lean on so she could pursue acting, but I don't think she craved those things for comfort, a lifestyle or that they defined her. She seems like she'd be happier not being so tied down with all that.