Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #3 *Arrest*

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  • #661
Just as a personal experience, my brother disappeared many years ago, when he was about 18 (I was much younger). In that case, he took most of his stuff with him, leaving behind just some bulky sports equipment in his rental, so everybody in my family just assumed (correctly) that he did it to get away from the family. There had been a lot of pressure on him to conform in terms of job/school and he was openly disgruntled about that, so it made sense he might just decide to leave. My parents didn't even report him missing to police - but people didn't do it so much in those days. The reaction from everyone in that older generation was to get even more mad at him for upsetting his parents.

I think in cases where a person disappears without any of their belongings, and there's been no situation where someone really might want to get away from other's interference, it's a big red flag that it's not voluntary/fresh start.

And we're not even sure of that big red flag here, as all we know is that she left her car and cell phone at home---both items that could have assisted in locating her. We don't know if she took a laptop, a suitcase, clothes, etc., because at the time of the press conference, they informed the media that they had not done an inventory of the house.
 
  • #662
And we're not even sure of that big red flag here, as all we know is that she left her car and cell phone at home---both items that could have assisted in locating her. We don't know if she took a laptop, a suitcase, clothes, etc., because at the time of the press conference, they informed the media that they had not done an inventory of the house.
... and if an alleged laptop left behind had messages to people in Vancouver and Toronto agreeing to meet...

I find the Jessica Rae Newman Facebook page and poster campaign a better indicator of "out of character" concern than what is happening here with SB. Unless I missed something, the family reached out to tell her she wasn't in trouble... and then that was about it.

Two very different reactions.
 
  • #663
Alternately, her leaving the car and cell phone behind could be seen as a big red flag indicating that she didn't want to be found...
 
  • #664
And excuse me if this may be inappropriate (considering that it is SB that is missing), but would we be making the same considerations if the released photos were of an unattractive woman? I think that it would be easier to jump to the conclusion that the person was "mentally ill" or made a poor decision if they were unattractive. Attractive people are just as capable of making bad and/or hurtful decisions.
 
  • #665
I've been reading about past and current missing cases in Canada in order to see if there could be a connection between some of them. So far, I haven't found anything, but I found a piece about Yanting (Lancy) Hu, a woman who went missing on July 16, 2011. It took her husband two days before he reported her missing. The police found a body in the Fraser River on August 27 of the same year but didn't tell the family or media. "This allowed investigators to use a variety of techniques and gather sufficient evidence for charge approval." Her estranged husband is the one who killed her.

http://www.iammissing.ca/Missing%20Start%20Jan-11.html

The reason why I'm posting this here is because we once wondered if maybe LE had found info about Shannon's whereabouts and didn't want to make them public so the suspect(s) wouldn't feel threatened.

So... I guess it could be the reason of the silence about Shannon.
 
  • #666
I've been reading about past and current missing cases in Canada in order to see if there could be a connection between some of them. So far, I haven't found anything, but I found a piece about Yanting (Lancy) Hu, a woman who went missing on July 16, 2011. It took her husband two days before he reported her missing. The police found a body in the Fraser River on August 27 of the same year but didn't tell the family or media. "This allowed investigators to use a variety of techniques and gather sufficient evidence for charge approval." Her estranged husband is the one who killed her.

http://www.iammissing.ca/Missing%20Start%20Jan-11.html

The reason why I'm posting this here is because we once wondered if maybe LE had found info about Shannon's whereabouts and didn't want to make them public so the suspect(s) wouldn't feel threatened.

So... I guess it could be the reason of the silence about Shannon.
Interesting how the press didn't get any wind of it. We had a discussion earlier about whether LE would keep the discovery of a body from the public... and I guess that proves they will.
 
  • #667
How often would it happen that the press wouldn't get wind of a body being found? I'm not sure how exactly they become informed in the first place on a regular basis. I would think they likely monitor police radio transmissions? In any case, it's hard to believe they would do that, but obviously they would... but I still don't think they would do it for long. I could see them keeping a body-find quiet until an autopsy was performed and perhaps an identification made, based on if they were able to match the body up with a missing person they are aware of, and during that time likely also doing an indepth investigation into what they believe happened. (Who else would really put her in a suitcase weighed down with rocks?)

I think there is silence in SB's case because nobody seems to be that concerned about her missing, so what are police supposed to think.... at least until a body is located? It would likely be different if family or friends were going to LE with stories of suspicion about someone and asking them to check it out. It seems that even though police were quite concerned after finding those photos in Fish Creek Park, the family preferred to think of the pics as happy, and that perhaps people were holding a vigil, rather than anything 'macabre' like everyone else was thinking. In absence of any suspicion shining anywhere by family, what are they supposed to do?
 
  • #668
From a societal standpoint, that is somewhat concerning that LE could possibly cover-up a murder, or bungle a murder case without any public scrutiny whatsoever. Although I understand the potential investigative advantages... what if nothing came of it for 10 years? This is definitely something that should be looked at very, very closely...
 
  • #669
Alternately, her leaving the car and cell phone behind could be seen as a big red flag indicating that she didn't want to be found...

I agree. Not sure if anyone here followed the Hannah Thomas Garner thread. Her damaged car with the keys in it was found along with her phone no SIM card. She was 17 and had been missing for a around 3 months when she called her dad and said she wanted to come home. She did a follow up interview and said she damaged her own car bc she locked her keys in it. So she broke the front windshield. I think she did it for other reasons, but regardless....she trashed her car and countless people thought she was attacked bc of how it looked. She said she abandon the car bc with it ppl would be able to find her.

I think that could be the case here. But it's hard because obviously when someone leaves involuntarily they can't take their car with them.
 
  • #670
How often would it happen that the press wouldn't get wind of a body being found? I'm not sure how exactly they become informed in the first place on a regular basis. I would think they likely monitor police radio transmissions? In any case, it's hard to believe they would do that, but obviously they would... but I still don't think they would do it for long. I could see them keeping a body-find quiet until an autopsy was performed and perhaps an identification made, based on if they were able to match the body up with a missing person they are aware of, and during that time likely also doing an indepth investigation into what they believe happened. (Who else would really put her in a suitcase weighed down with rocks?)

I think there is silence in SB's case because nobody seems to be that concerned about her missing, so what are police supposed to think.... at least until a body is located? It would likely be different if family or friends were going to LE with stories of suspicion about someone and asking them to check it out. It seems that even though police were quite concerned after finding those photos in Fish Creek Park, the family preferred to think of the pics as happy, and that perhaps people were holding a vigil, rather than anything 'macabre' like everyone else was thinking. In absence of any suspicion shining anywhere by family, what are they supposed to do?

I don't know what to make about how her family remains silent about her disappearance. I don't know what to make of LE hiding information in order to preserve their investigations but I guess it's possible that they remain silent for a short period of time if they suspect one or more persons and they need proof before arresting them.

Or maybe they have an idea of what happened that night but haven't found her yet and have been investigating ''silently'' someone (possibly close to her).

This case confuses me. I feel like we're the only ones who care about her right now. I know it's probably not the case, and that there are people who are worried about her but still...
 
  • #671
From a societal standpoint, that is somewhat concerning that LE could possibly cover-up a murder, or bungle a murder case without any public scrutiny whatsoever. Although I understand the potential investigative advantages... what if nothing came of it for 10 years? This is definitely something that should be looked at very, very closely...

I wonder the same thing. How can they keep that information 100% private? And also, don't they have to notify the close family (at least the parents) when they identify someone's body??
 
  • #672
I wonder if it was a combination of things that led to police believing that they could get away with non-disclosure in this particular case, just for a few extra days.

Was this case a highly publicized one? It sounds from what I have read that the woman didn't have much family, her parents had flown here from overseas just before the time when her body was discovered, and they spoke no English? When the suitcase was found by boaters/fisherman, they would likely not have had a clue who it could have been, so it likely was simpler for LE to keep it quiet, than it might have been if found in a different manner? It sounds like LE just took a bit of extra time in concluding their case, since once the body was identified, the woman's husband would have been the very first to suspect. What seems even more shocking to me, is that the woman's estranged husband was allowed custody of the children during the time between their mother's disappearance and the time the body was found, considering she had been in a woman's shelter with the kids at one time?
 
  • #673
I've been reading about past and current missing cases in Canada in order to see if there could be a connection between some of them. So far, I haven't found anything, but I found a piece about Yanting (Lancy) Hu, a woman who went missing on July 16, 2011. It took her husband two days before he reported her missing. The police found a body in the Fraser River on August 27 of the same year but didn't tell the family or media. "This allowed investigators to use a variety of techniques and gather sufficient evidence for charge approval." Her estranged husband is the one who killed her.

http://www.iammissing.ca/Missing%20Start%20Jan-11.html

The reason why I'm posting this here is because we once wondered if maybe LE had found info about Shannon's whereabouts and didn't want to make them public so the suspect(s) wouldn't feel threatened.

So... I guess it could be the reason of the silence about Shannon.

I'm veering more towards this theory, I think LE know what happened and are watching and waiting....I don't think Shannon ran away, the only way I think she left willingly is if she has some sort of mental illness of sorts. I don't think she would have ran away if she's of sound mind, JMO.
 
  • #674
From a societal standpoint, that is somewhat concerning that LE could possibly cover-up a murder, or bungle a murder case without any public scrutiny whatsoever. Although I understand the potential investigative advantages... what if nothing came of it for 10 years? This is definitely something that should be looked at very, very closely...

I don't see it as a cover up by LE but more of a 'we'll give tiny bits of info to the public/media one morsel at a time' kind of situation, so not hiding, but not legally obligated to sharing *everything*. I would think they have a time limits to uphold to their commander and lawyers as to how long they can hold out the info for (I can imagine a lawyer or LE boss saying if they don't find any solid evidence by such a date they have to choice but to make this public, etc.)
 
  • #675
I shouldn't say this... but I'm wondering.. because when LE find a body, surely they must ethically let the immediate family know. I'm wondering if LE took advantage of this poor woman's parents being non-English speaking.

I don't think they would have investigated for long, like 10 years.. or even 1 month.. I think they just took advantage of the quiet opportunity to look into their number one suspect so they could do everything all at once, ie announce the body being found, the girl having been murdered, and that people are safe because the suspect has been arrested.. all in one shot. Their strategy must have paid off in this case, since the estranged husband ended up confessing?
 
  • #676
Is anyone here more capable than I am of finding historical posts? I am wondering... surely it must have been posted at an early time in this case.. who was FB friends with JB?
Currently I believe there is only 1 member of SB's family who is FB friends with JB... but I think we would have noticed that, to the point of sticking out like a sore thumb, if it had been that way in the beginning.. so I'm therefore wondering if something changed from then to now?
Would love to find the post where it might state which of her family members was friends with him way back in the beginning, for comparison purposes.
 
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  • #678
Is anyone here more capable than I am of finding historical posts? I am wondering... surely it must have been posted at an early time in this case.. who was FB friends with JB?
Currently I believe there is only 1 member of SB's family who is FB friends with JB... but I think we would have noticed that, to the point of sticking out like a sore thumb, if it had been that way in the beginning.. so I'm therefore wondering if something changed from then to now?
Would love to find the post where it might state which of her family members was friends with him way back in the beginning, for comparison purposes.

IIRC it was and has only been CM the sister-in-law of SB
 
  • #679
Can you please remind me what IIRC stands for? I know the general jist of it, enough to get me by, but I can't remember the words. Anyway, even if that was how it was to begin with (only 1 of SB's family members having JB as a 'friend' on their FB), it's still kind of interesting, considering the family still has SB's sister's ex husband as a 'friend'. MOO.

IIRC it was and has only been CM the sister-in-law of SB
 
  • #680
Can you please remind me what IIRC stands for? I know the general jist of it, enough to get me by, but I can't remember the words. Anyway, even if that was how it was to begin with (only 1 of SB's family members having JB as a 'friend' on their FB), it's still kind of interesting, considering the family still has SB's sister's ex husband as a 'friend'. MOO.
IIRC = If I recall correctly
 
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